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nachtnebel Mar 30, 2011 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 16131809)
I am consumed with this matter for over 12 hours, all through the night, posting and talking to Mrs. EX. Am I sitting down? It's not the sitting, it's the stomach now. This just is outrageous. Can you imagine what the retirement payout will be? I am just about fed up with all of this. The story goes that she was some sort of Executive in the "real world" and then started as a blue shirt with TSA and worked her way up the ladder? About $ 50.00/hr to be in charge of antagonizing airline passengers? Besides "us" it includes innocent non U.S. citizens, where they don't even offer a transit situation like all other countries in the world do. What a world? Quite tilted in the wrong direction, or?
I posted and others did as well : No other country in the world, third world, autocratic and even dictatorship countries have ever treated me ( us ) as bad as the United States has and is doing it at any single day, in and out. And that is with a U.S. passport and a Green Card holder. Think about it, a Green Card costs a lot of money and requires a lot of documentation. Still, they treat Mrs. EX like dirt. The biggest country, the strongest country, the best country, the ??? country? Not really, or?

If you just look at the results, you could reasonably hypothesize that a criminal element is running the DHS and TSA. They have by design empowered all the little apparatchiks down the command chain to act as they act. It is not an accident. It takes deliberate and targeted staffing decisions to build up the kind of workforce that they have and to give the kind of physical power they have given those elements they have hired.

If a private airline had such an abusive person working with customers, how long would that person last? Not long, right? So why are they allowed to keep their jobs acting that way with TSA? The only reasonable conclusion is that TSA wants that behavior or finds it acceptable. Top down rot.

Boggie Dog Mar 30, 2011 8:54 pm

Wouldn't it be nice to get names and pictures then place ads in local newspapers showing our fellow citizens who these people are and what they have done?

Vecturist14 Mar 30, 2011 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 16131374)
It was the UA, CO, AS terminal. Is it T3?

It's T2. Usually TSA are pretty reasonable there - at least I haven't had an issue - yet.

I am so sorry for what happened to your wife and MIL.

Exleftseat Mar 30, 2011 9:03 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 16132164)
Wouldn't it be nice to get names and pictures then place ads in local newspapers showing our fellow citizens who these people are and what they have done?

They did not have cameras or phone cameras in the gas chambers and they never knew what would hit them. We all know, yet we are not allowed recorders, cameras in the sterile areas. We are not allowed to make comments, we are not allowed to make jokes. We are allowed to shut up and let things happen to us without questioning. Because questioning is evil and needs to be punished. How many millions died for that? And why did nobody learn anything from that? Why is it still allowed in the free-est country in the world??????? No, why is this mandated?

FriendlySkies Mar 30, 2011 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 16132213)
They did not have cameras or phone cameras in the gas chambers and they never knew what would hit them. We all know, yet we are not allowed recorders, cameras in the sterile areas. We are not allowed to make comments, we are not allowed to make jokes. We are allowed to shut up and let things happen to us without questioning. Because questioning is evil and needs to be punished. How many millions died for that? And why did nobody learn anything from that? Why is it still allowed in the free-est country in the world??????? No, why is this mandated?

You are most definitely allowed to take photos/record at the checkpoint. As long as you don't "film the x-ray monitors :rolleyes:", there should be no problems.. You might have to deal with the clerks blocking the camera with their fat @$$, but feel free to record in the future.

LuvAirFrance Mar 30, 2011 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by Pluma (Post 16132054)
Fortunately it is only a very small percentage that are doing it, but unfortunately it is people hired by the US Government, protected by the US Government, and paid wages with tax dollars from all the rest of us.

I guess complacency is easy as long as it happens to the other person. Most people are not even aware what is going on in America. We would never know of this story except that we read it here. We are just a tiny fraction of the population.

I don't know what it would take to get anyone to really notice what is going on, and truly care. The politicians are NOT to be trusted.

We are well on the way to a police state, and as long as people can watch "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars" they probably couldn't care less what else is happening around them.

Trouble is that its like cops, in that misdeeds of a fellow officer is off limits for criticism by the "good cops". They are like those New Yorkers who listened calmly to Kitty Genovese and thought "Boy, I'm glad that's not me".

Exleftseat Mar 30, 2011 9:19 pm


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 16132236)
You are most definitely allowed to take photos/record at the checkpoint. As long as you don't "film the x-ray monitors :rolleyes:", there should be no problems.. You might have to deal with the clerks blocking the camera with their fat @$$, but feel free to record in the future.

Nice suggestion, but what's the reality? Do you really think entering security with a camera is advisable? Even me, as a U.S. "basher" cannot agree to that. That's a death sentence.
Mrs.EX was an ANA F/A and subjected to heavy interrogation in the "old" days when we shared a room together at my hotel in Seoul. Still, that's a piece of cake compared to now-a-days U.S.A. I am just mentioning this, because at that time Korea was a dictatorship and tightly controlled. Although nothing compared to the TSA/CBP situation. And that's the point!

LuvAirFrance Mar 30, 2011 9:21 pm

Most Americans don't realize that the blood sacrifice to push North Koreans out of South Korea was shortly dishonored by support of a dictatorship. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are now turning the same blind eye to dictatorial acts toward fellow citizens.

Exleftseat Mar 30, 2011 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 16132288)
Trouble is that its like cops, in that misdeeds of a fellow officer is off limits for criticism by the "good cops". They are like those New Yorkers who listened calmly to Kitty Genovese and thought "Boy, I'm glad that's not me".

You want to think they are good, but????? It's totalitarianism, which ever way you turn it. And you don't want to believe it!!! Don't question authority.
The Yankees are the world champions as well as the Cowboys are the super bowl champions. Nobody knows those sports in the whole wide world, nobody cares, but the fans in the U.S. are happy. Games and Bread!

Pluma Mar 30, 2011 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 16132164)
Wouldn't it be nice to get names and pictures then place ads in local newspapers showing our fellow citizens who these people are and what they have done?

Plenty of FREE hosting companies for a website.

Pictures, names, address.

They take our names and address, and our only crime is trying to traverse the checkpoint.

If you set it up on Google blogspot, it places pretty high in rankings.

hint, hint, wink, wink.

divemistressofthedark Mar 30, 2011 9:37 pm


Nobody knows those sports in the whole wide world, nobody cares, but the fans in the U.S. are happy. Games and Bread!
^^^^^^

Folks, don't miss that post by Cartoon Peril at Daily Kos. He's made quite a meal of TSA-disparaging over there. I've bookmarked his essays and will be checking back often.

(Always glad to see lefty-linking sites heading the right direction, and I'm very disappointed that more of my ideological brethren & sistren are falling down on this. These are the same people that protest wars, nuclear power et al with impunity...Go figure.)

Exleftseat Mar 30, 2011 9:40 pm


Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 16132300)
Most Americans don't realize that the blood sacrifice to push North Koreans out of South Korea was shortly dishonored by support of a dictatorship. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are now turning the same blind eye to dictatorial acts toward fellow citizens.

That was in 1953, you think any American remembers that? They don't remember the Vietnam War, they remember : ZILCH!
Remember, we are FT, a premier minority. That's all we are.

N830MH Mar 30, 2011 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 16128178)
The nightmares & theft by TSA never ends. Reading this makes me sick.

Dang! I didn't hear it the situations going on at Sky Harbor today. Why TSA is an inappropriate to touching his 89-years old grandmother. That's wrong! TSA can't be touching her at all and no one ever allowed go through the body scanners. Because this is not real safe for her at all.

PhlyingRPh Mar 30, 2011 9:59 pm

OP, did you file a police report with the Phoenix Airport police? On the one hand they are quite useless and they actually murdered a woman they arrested in the concourse three years ago or so, God knows what else they did too her before killing her. Anyway, despite this, if you are able to get them to file a report, it will help you in many ways, from insurance claims to getting the TSA to investigate the matter. Best of luck.

Exleftseat Mar 30, 2011 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 16132390)
Dang! I didn't hear it the situations going on at Sky Harbor today. Why TSA is an inappropriate to touching his 89-years old grandmother. That's wrong! TSA can't be touching her at all and no one ever allowed go through the body scanners. Because this is not real safe for her at all.

Thanks for bringing it down to the basics, What does TSA have to do with feeling up a cancer ridden, 89 year old woman? I hate to think of it, but what satisfaction does it bring to a screener? How much brain does one need to have to figure out, that this cancer ridden great-grandmother being 89 years old with the desire to return home to a earthquake damaged country, is of no threat to anyone????
Why can't they figure out that I, a 70 year old retired pilot with a cane, a 1k with UA for many years, is no threat? Why are the singling us out all of the time????? What's their problem???


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