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celticwhisper Mar 21, 2011 1:36 pm

Road Trip!
 
This past weekend, my girlfriend and I were talking about visiting her grandmother in TX. Grandma's health isn't what it once was and we want to get as many visits in as possible.

I raised the idea of a Chicago->Houston road trip and, to my delight, she seemed very receptive to the idea. She had done it once before, accompanied by a friend from college, and said it would be fun to do again. She's not as seethingly, bubblingly anti-TSA as I am and I don't think she entirely approves of my flaming disdain for the front-line TSOs (though she doesn't seem to object to my wanting to see Pissy and Nappy living in cardboard boxes, fighting off local stray animals in order to be able to eat that day) but when I mentioned that a road trip would be a nice F-U to the TSA she didn't disagree.

All this having been said, I've never embarked on such a road trip before and am a bit lost at where/how to start. What precautions should I take with regard to looking after my own safety since I won't have the all-powerful all-knowing all-wonderful TSA to do it for me? I'm thinking stuff like having my car checked out beforehand or even just renting a car, how long it's safe to drive in one shot, "scam-the-out-of-towners" schemes I should be aware of if we're eating/staying in a town in between, that sort of thing.

And on the lighter side, any good places to stop between Chicago and Houston for good sightseeing and the like?

khurley Mar 21, 2011 1:47 pm

Well, for one thing, be sure to pack lots of liquids, aerosols, and gels. Make sure they're large sizes. Also pack plenty of pocket knives, multi-tools, box cutters, and printer cartridges. Lock your luggage with sturdy non-TSA approved locks. Feel free to eat peanuts in quantities larger than 12. Enjoy the trip!

Devil_Dog99 Mar 21, 2011 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by khurley (Post 16075335)
Well, for one thing, be sure to pack lots of liquids, aerosols, and gels. Make sure they're large sizes. Also pack plenty of pocket knives, multi-tools, box cutters, and printer cartridges. Lock your luggage with sturdy non-TSA approved locks. Feel free to eat peanuts in quantities larger than 12. Enjoy the trip!

Once you have done as mentioned above in assembling your Eff You TSA kit, you will want to consider your transportation. If your car does not have a lot of miles on it, use that (but definitely get it checked out beforehand - oil change, check all filters, brakes, etc.). If you can score a cheap rental, go for it. Make sure the rate is unlimited miles.

Driving in one shot - when I take long drives, I stop to stretch my legs about once every 2-3 hours, or at gas stops. My usual cut-off for hours per day is 9-10 - anything longer and you can run the risk of drowsy driving (plus you will be better off the next day with more rest). Go to walmart (or your local grocer and stock up on snacks - will save you bucks big time).

If you have AAA, you can get a trip-tik for your route, which will show any traffic issues you may encounter as well as list out (not clearly but you can find it) approved restaurants and/or hotels. And stay in name brands. You can get an idea of where you will be at the end of any day and see what is around. My last big trip was Boston-Fort Lauderdale for my Dad's 50th HS reunion. We went Boston-Aberdeen MD-Jacksonville-Fort Lauderdale. I am a marriott guy so I searched for marriott hotels in the Aberdeen and Jacksonville areas and I knew i was in good shape.

Good luck - hava fun - and enjoy sticking it to the TSA!

LuvAirFrance Mar 21, 2011 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by khurley (Post 16075335)
Well, for one thing, be sure to pack lots of liquids, aerosols, and gels. Make sure they're large sizes. Also pack plenty of pocket knives, multi-tools, box cutters, and printer cartridges. Lock your luggage with sturdy non-TSA approved locks. Feel free to eat peanuts in quantities larger than 12. Enjoy the trip!

Nice to see an occasional post that is full of frivolity.:D

I'd Rather Walk Mar 21, 2011 2:24 pm

Since I won't fly as long as the blue shirt Gestapo is uncontroled at U.S. airports I'll be driving from San Antonio to Galesburg Il. (near ) next month

I did a google map, got three possible routes and had AAA plan a route that looks more direct and takes major highways, and is the one we'll take. It'll be about an 18 hour drive so we'll drive about 9 hours each day. You can find name hotels on the internet or get help from AAA (we're taking a dog so get a list of places that take pets) if you have that. I'll have my car serviced in about a week and get new tires (which I needed anyway). I would just stay away from the really small places to stay. My wife lined up a Bed and Breakfast i Illinois that we'll be staying at there. Don't forget to check your spare tire and I'd probably get a can of the junk that temporarily inflates a flat tie (even though it tends to ruin the tire) just in case. Have a good trip. ( As for me I hate driving, I'll be supporting candidates of either party with cash and votes next election who say they'll end this craziness. )

celticwhisper Mar 21, 2011 2:25 pm


Originally Posted by Devil_Dog99 (Post 16075435)
Once you have done as mentioned above in assembling your Eff You TSA kit, you will want to consider your transportation. If your car does not have a lot of miles on it, use that (but definitely get it checked out beforehand - oil change, check all filters, brakes, etc.). If you can score a cheap rental, go for it. Make sure the rate is unlimited miles.

Driving in one shot - when I take long drives, I stop to stretch my legs about once every 2-3 hours, or at gas stops. My usual cut-off for hours per day is 9-10 - anything longer and you can run the risk of drowsy driving (plus you will be better off the next day with more rest). Go to walmart (or your local grocer and stock up on snacks - will save you bucks big time).

If you have AAA, you can get a trip-tik for your route, which will show any traffic issues you may encounter as well as list out (not clearly but you can find it) approved restaurants and/or hotels. And stay in name brands. You can get an idea of where you will be at the end of any day and see what is around. My last big trip was Boston-Fort Lauderdale for my Dad's 50th HS reunion. We went Boston-Aberdeen MD-Jacksonville-Fort Lauderdale. I am a marriott guy so I searched for marriott hotels in the Aberdeen and Jacksonville areas and I knew i was in good shape.

Good luck - hava fun - and enjoy sticking it to the TSA!

Cool, will do. Couple points:

-Car is a 2008 Subaru Legacy with ~47K miles on it. Had no trouble so far but I'll definitely check filters and brakes. Also, what about tires? I know the penny test but I'd hate to leave the risk of a blowout to something like an eyeball evaluation - is there a way to get a mechanic to tell me straight if my tires are up for it without getting the hard sell on a new set?

-Re: rental cars/unlimited miles: is there a rental company that's particularly good about this? Also, if I do rent, which cars are good for long drives? I love my Subie and don't have a sports-car fixation, but if there's a certain model that just seems made for long-distance comfort, I'm open to suggestions.

-Which name brand hotels should I consider, or does it matter? I don't want to blow the money on a Hilton or other high-end place but of course I don't want to get stuck in "Bob and Ethel's Snooze-A-Rama" either. Is there a good middle-of-the-road hotel chain that has clean rooms and decent rates? Also, do they take debit cards? I'd rather not put anything on a credit card if I don't have to.

NotaCriminal Mar 21, 2011 2:27 pm


And on the lighter side, any good places to stop between Chicago and Houston for good sightseeing and the like?
As to what to do/see, what do you and your GF like to do and/or see when you travel generally?

We often drive hard and long one direction, and take our time coming home the other direction when we do road trips, and we stop when and where we'd like. The car is always serviced prior to the trip, and I always tell the shop what I intend to do (i.e., drive 2K miles) so they check all necessary components. We've also rented a car with unlimited miles since it's often been inexpensive, especially with coupons.

Enjoy filming or photographing as much as you want without TSA arses in the picture or being screamed at that such activities are prohibited. And entire cans of sodas when you want 'em! No baggage fees so be sure to pack everything and the kitchen sink! You are prohibited from taking along quart sized zip-lock baggies unless they are filled with sandwiches or snacks with peanutty goodness.

Anyway, sounds like fun! Enjoy the planning and the trip!

DeafBlonde Mar 21, 2011 2:33 pm

Be sure to take along plenty of audio CD's of your favorite music. It helps keep the drowsies away on long stretches without a decent radio station to tune to!

PM me when you get to Houston. Maybe we can meet for dinner if our mutual schedules allow.

FliesWay2Much Mar 21, 2011 2:35 pm

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Remember to stop at a police station, walk in, and tell them you would like to have your car randomly searched and you and your GF frisked.

LuvAirFrance Mar 21, 2011 2:35 pm

I've made several 2000 mile trips that I could have flown. Neither of my parents liked to fly, so anytime they could get one of us to drive, they much preferred going by car. I never found it particularly onerous. Of course, it could be people who are born since 1980 would just die on a trip that took that long. TV and other stuff has badly trained them to expect everything instantly. But for me, a trip of this duration is no problem at all. I was well into adulthood before deregulation of air travel made it such a common way to travel.

NotaCriminal Mar 21, 2011 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by celticwhisper (Post 16075600)
Cool, will do. Couple points:

-Car is a 2008 Subaru Legacy with ~47K miles on it. Had no trouble so far but I'll definitely check filters and brakes. Also, what about tires? I know the penny test but I'd hate to leave the risk of a blowout to something like an eyeball evaluation - is there a way to get a mechanic to tell me straight if my tires are up for it without getting the hard sell on a new set?

I just wrote this in my initial post, but if you tell the mechanic what you are doing, they'll be glad to make appropriate service recommendations. Do you have a good mechanic/shop? I guess I trust my shop quite a bit and the tires they recommended on the last visit are great and were fairly priced.


-Re: rental cars/unlimited miles: is there a rental company that's particularly good about this? Also, if I do rent, which cars are good for long drives? I love my Subie and don't have a sports-car fixation, but if there's a certain model that just seems made for long-distance comfort, I'm open to suggestions.
I like Enterprise for the prices and the unlimited miles. As to the cars... I wish I had a recommendation; I mostly just take what they give me and so far it's worked out for me.


-Which name brand hotels should I consider, or does it matter? I don't want to blow the money on a Hilton or other high-end place but of course I don't want to get stuck in "Bob and Ethel's Snooze-A-Rama" either. Is there a good middle-of-the-road hotel chain that has clean rooms and decent rates? Also, do they take debit cards? I'd rather not put anything on a credit card if I don't have to.
I'm generally happy with the Choice hotel brands for price, cleanliness and safety and yes, the free breakfast and coffee. I'm a planner, so I usually have the hotels planned in advance so I can compare prices versus the reviews and make a decent choice that way.

I've had no issue with using a debit card for payment; this is my usual method of payment. I just used mine at a Days Inn on Friday night with no issues. As long as you don't mind that they may put a hold on a portion of your funds (some do), the hotel doesn't care if you pay with the usual branded debit cards.

I'd Rather Walk Mar 21, 2011 2:46 pm

If you rent a car be sure to check about rates increasing if you go over state line. Awhile back some rental agencies were charging extremely high rates for cars that crossed state line (which they could tell by GPS).

KCWatORD Mar 21, 2011 2:48 pm

I did this trip last year (Chicago to Houston) and I planned it out similarly to what you're doing now.

I have 2004 330xi and got new tires, as well as every repair my mechanic could find. I told him that we were planning a road trip and to fix everything! He actually found a crack in the water pump that could have been disastrous had it failed somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I also had a jack installed so that we could plug in the ipod.

I think it took us about 19 hours. We stopped in Memphis both ways, and stayed at a funky place called the Talbot Heirs http://www.talbotheirs.com. It was right downtown, in case you want to see Beale Street, eat some BBQ, etc.

We opted to take I-55 to I-10, which seems a little out of the way, but we were driving during a really bad storm and felt that sticking to the major highways was the best plan. If you do this, I highly recommend a stop at Steamboat Bill's in Lake Charles for some fried seafood :)

It's amazing how much less gas costs in Texas.

lobster7 Mar 21, 2011 2:53 pm

I've been able to keep most of my trips under 700 miles to driving. I've found I like traveling more that way. Thanks TSA for showing me the countryside! ^

DeafBlonde Mar 21, 2011 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by KCWatORD (Post 16075779)
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It's amazing how much less gas costs in Texas.

This is where most of it is refined...costs less to get it to the pump!! :D

KCWatORD Mar 21, 2011 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by DeafBlonde (Post 16075906)
This is where most of it is refined...costs less to get it to the pump!! :D

That....and y'all don't have all the taxes and surcharges that we get here.

kipper Mar 21, 2011 3:14 pm

If you have an independent mechanic that you trust, take the car there. Ask them to check the tires, and to let you know if they see any problems with it. You might want to have them check the alignment too. IIRC, if you go to Sears Auto for an alignment, they'll check it and only charge you if you actually need the alignment.

In regards to rental cars--check that there are no limitations to leaving the state and that they offer unlimited mileage. I don't know how much luggage, etc., you'll have, but you'll probably want something with a back seat, so you can store a cooler and snacks for easy access. That will allow you access to those without having to stop somewhere. We drove a Ford Fusion from MDT to MCL and were quite comfortable.

You can take turns driving, and drive straight through, or you can stop about halfway and spend the night. I'd suggest, with just the two of you, that you stop after about 8-10 hours of driving and spend the night somewhere.

Choice Hotels are a decent option, and pretty standard in regards to features at each. Hampton Inns are pretty standard too, as are most Holiday Inn Express locations. All should offer free breakfast, and all should accept payment via debit card, as long as it is Visa/Mastercard branded.

That said, expect that they'll put a hold on additional funds, and you may see that both the initial authorization hold and the final bill charge have hit your account as pending transactions. The initial authorization hold may stay there for up to seven days, so you'll want to have enough money in your account for two charges at each hotel, plus food, gas, etc.

What I usually do, rather than use my debit card, is use my credit card and that night, when I know what the final bill should be, I make a payment to my credit card, for that amount. This means that as soon as the charge hits the card, I've already paid for it. I don't have to worry that they've authorized money in my checking account, and placed a hold on it, so that it won't be available for seven days. At the same time, I don't have to deal with making a payment to my credit card later.

ladytraveler Mar 21, 2011 4:45 pm

In addition to those music CDs, try an audio book or two. Is there a book you and your girlfriend have wanted to read, but haven't found the time? Get it unabridged on CD (or as an MP3 download) and cruise on down the road. Being able to catch up on my reading is part of the reason I love driving long distances.

TSO1973 Mar 21, 2011 5:00 pm

I've used Enterprise for rentals quite a few times. Never seen an extra charge for travelling in other states, they just want to know what states you are planning to travel to. Straight daily rate, unlimited miles, and you're not racking up miles on your own vehicle.

As far as what to see/where to go, I'm assuming you'll be coming down I-44, you have St. Louis with the arch and the Busch Brewery, good tour at the brewery (oh and some free beer too) ^^. Springfield has a so-so zoo, but Branson isn't far away if you want to see reincarnated Osmond brothers. DFW area there's all sorts of stuff to do there. When you go to Houston, visit Johnson Space Center. That's a really interesting tour to take.

For your tires, have you been good about rotating your tires? If so, then the tires should be pretty evenly worn, however if they are the original set they probably are starting to get a little long in the tooth. If you haven't been rotating them, your front tires are probably considerably more worn than your rears (I believe that car is front wheel drive). Something to definitely take a look at.

celticwhisper Mar 21, 2011 5:33 pm

Actually, Subaru's been all-AWD, all the time since roughly 2000 or so. Front tires do wear quicker, though, due to engine weight.

And I've...well...not been very good at all about rotating them, so I'll definitely want to have that done.

kipper Mar 21, 2011 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by ladytraveler (Post 16076474)
In addition to those music CDs, try an audio book or two. Is there a book you and your girlfriend have wanted to read, but haven't found the time? Get it unabridged on CD (or as an MP3 download) and cruise on down the road. Being able to catch up on my reading is part of the reason I love driving long distances.

I've found that audio books tend to cause me to get sleepy while driving, but YMMV.

littlesheep Mar 21, 2011 6:29 pm

I'm sure you'll have fun.

DIFIN Mar 21, 2011 7:39 pm

Hate to bust your bubble !

When youo get close to Houston you will be in the constitution free zone of the USA subject to search by the Border patrol.

Also the TSA is expanding to the interstates

candi Mar 21, 2011 7:46 pm

Congrats on the upcoming road trip. We made a similar trek from Chicago to Albuquerque 4 times last year, cannon-bawlin' it, while giving TSA and the airlines a big middle finger.

(funny b-a-l-l-i-n-g is a censored word)

You'll find that most cars are fairly reliable. We drove in our cars that had double and even triple your miles. Just make sure you do the normal checks and your auto should hold up reliably.

- tires (rotate and inflate), don't forget the spare
- coins or dollar bills for the tolls
- cheap tire pressure gauge
- fluids (brakes, coolant, transmission) top them off
- belts (check for loose or badly cracked ones)
- battery connection
- do an oil change
- make sure all the lights are working (signal, emergency, license plate)
- get new wipers if yours are shot (you'll thank me)
- do a quick brake check
- have a car jack
- doesn't hurt to check the air filter if you haven't
- look underneath your car for any leaks such as oil or coolant
- get a road atlas. It's nice to track your progress (or a tom-tom/gps)
- music, a gallon(s) of bottled water, snacks, flashlight, blanket & pillows, handy wipes and roll of paper towels.

I always bring along a set of basic hand tools in case. some wrenches and screwdrivers.

btw... i do all of the above myself :)

RadioGirl Mar 21, 2011 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 16075676)
Remember to stop at a police station, walk in, and tell them you would like to have your car randomly searched and you and your GF frisked.

:D

And every time you get back in the car, take turns asking each other "Do you want to DRIVE today?"

:(

No, wait, that should be, "Do YOU want to drive today?" :)

DeafBlonde Mar 21, 2011 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by DIFIN (Post 16077261)
Hate to bust your bubble !

When youo get close to Houston you will be in the constitution free zone of the USA subject to search by the Border patrol.

Also the TSA is expanding to the interstates

No border patrol in Houston (yet, that I know of anyway). We are too far from the Tex-Mex border. If you go out I-10 to El Paso...then you need to worry!:eek:

greentips Mar 22, 2011 11:06 am

Another possible aid:

A good cheap automotive GPS might be useful. I have an ancient Garmin GPS 496, but the nuvi's and other brands are all good. I turn off the voice since I'm annoyed by it chastising me when I choose to ignore its sound advice and do my own thing.

Otherwise, the car maintenance is all as others have stated above. Pretty reasonable.

celticwhisper Mar 22, 2011 12:31 pm

Cool. I have a TomTom XL330 that's been great so far and I've made some customizations myself (installed a Trapster database, unit boots to an Aperture Science logo, GLADOS' voice directs me, shuts down with "The cake is a lie!"). I'll definitely be bringing it with as it was indispensable on my last trip to Houston when we rented a car. The rental agent looked so crestfallen when I responded to her GPS upsell with "Nah, brought my own."

-Wipers are a good suggestion. I actually have a spare set I bought almost a year ago that are still in the original packaging (mechanic said my current ones were in better shape than I'd estimated they would be, and lo and behold, they're still going strong now).

-Don't have a jack, should definitely get one. My dad's name is Jack, but that's about as close as it gets.

-Coins/bills for tolls: I have an I-pass so we're covered at least until we get out of IL. Do neighbouring states accept the I-pass or is the IL border the cutoff?

On a slightly less fun note, it looks like the road trip won't be for this year after all. We still definitely want to do it, and many more like it in the future, but we're in the process of buying a house and her dad, who works for Southwest Airlines, is planning a get-together in Key West this fall for which we'd need vacation time and which is too far for us to drive this go-around.

By all means, though, keep the advice coming since I'm going to be saving this thread for future reference.

You folks rock.

kipper Mar 22, 2011 12:46 pm

According to Illinois Tollway, I-Pass is good anywhere EZ Pass is accepted. http://www.illinoistollway.com/porta..._schema=PORTAL

However, that doesn't help you, since the only states that accept EZ Pass are: IL, IN, OH, WV, VA, MD, PA, DE, NJ, NY, MA, RI, NH, and ME.

Caradoc Mar 22, 2011 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by celticwhisper (Post 16076707)
Actually, Subaru's been all-AWD, all the time since roughly 2000 or so. Front tires do wear quicker, though, due to engine weight.

And I've...well...not been very good at all about rotating them, so I'll definitely want to have that done.

I'd also highly recommend checking the CV and rack boots as well as the power steering pump seals/gaskets.

A high-mileage Subaru will generally have some problems with one of those. Mine has... but they're fixed now.

RATM Mar 22, 2011 7:16 pm

Remember, gasoline is a highly flammable liquid. Limit your tank fills to 3.4 ounces at a time.

I remember those 5-hour energy shots worked really well when I got drowsy on long road trips. They're definately under 3 ounces.

essxjay Mar 22, 2011 7:21 pm


Originally Posted by celticwhisper (Post 16075259)
And on the lighter side, any good places to stop between Chicago and Houston for good sightseeing and the like?

Have you checked out FT's Destination forums?

littlesheep Mar 22, 2011 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by RATM (Post 16083768)
Remember, gasoline is a highly flammable liquid. Limit your tank fills to 3.4 ounces at a time.

I was dumbfounded for a second by such a crazy and stupid statement...till I realised what you had done there... :)

dsquared37 Mar 22, 2011 8:15 pm

In college (90's) I made a handful, 2 handfuls, of trips between NY and CO in my pickup. Never took any of the precautions mentioned above (though I kept it in relatively good condition to begin with).

I'd usually drive ~18 hours out of NY on the first day, slept in a rest stop somewhere, and continued on to Boulder CO on day 2.

Never had a problem. Often this was a solo trip, occasionally with a friend. Loved the mobility... and the cheap gas too, but who knew what the future would hold. :D

LuvAirFrance Mar 23, 2011 1:11 am

I sure wish I had a GPS in my last drive around the Pacific Northwest. I think my savingsin wasted gas would have covered the cost.


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