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trvlr64 Jan 26, 2011 8:11 am


Originally Posted by srilm (Post 15737129)
In federal government employment, everyone has the right to not join. That's the way it is in the FAA. We don't have many non-members, but we do respect their right not to join.

SR

Well we now know who you work for. The FAA.

You're a highly paid "government" employee who has gone through EXTENSIVE training to complete your job tasks or there is a serious problem.

The TSA are not extensively trained. They can have a GED and get hired. They don't have to have any skills other than breathing to do their job.

You can't compare your unionized workforce with the potential unionized TSA workforce.

srilm Jan 26, 2011 9:54 am


Originally Posted by trvlr64 (Post 15738297)
Well we now know who you work for. The FAA.

You're a highly paid "government" employee who has gone through EXTENSIVE training to complete your job tasks or there is a serious problem.

The TSA are not extensively trained. They can have a GED and get hired. They don't have to have any skills other than breathing to do their job.

You can't compare your unionized workforce with the potential unionized TSA workforce.

I'll give you that one, since I don't know what TSA employees go through to be "certified" to do their job. In mine, about 2 to 3 percent actually certify. There's probably a difference there. We fire a LOT of people or send them to low-level facilities.

However, that doesn't change the union's job. They protect the workers, but they also insure good relations with the customer. The unions today try to paint themselves as the customer's friend, vs. the big bad employer, to gain sentiment. It's a tactic that works well and also really benefits the customer.

Our union is independent, as I recall.

SR

thebat Jan 26, 2011 11:47 am


Originally Posted by srilm (Post 15739019)
However, that doesn't change the union's job. They protect the workers, but they also insure good relations with the customer. The unions today try to paint themselves as the customer's friend, vs. the big bad employer, to gain sentiment. It's a tactic that works well and also really benefits the customer.


SR

This is simply not true. Unions do NOTHING to benefit consumers regardless of their propaganda.

ElizabethConley Jan 26, 2011 12:47 pm

Editorial Against Unionization of TSA
 
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10986...unionized.html

michelle227 Jan 26, 2011 1:10 pm

My guess is that, as federal employees, TSA personnel lack the right to strike. Wonder if the union reminded them of a certain entity *cough* PATCO *cough* and how quickly their members found themselves having to seek employment when they tried to throw their weight around...

Superguy Jan 26, 2011 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by michelle227 (Post 15740385)
My guess is that, as federal employees, TSA personnel lack the right to strike. Wonder if the union reminded them of a certain entity *cough* PATCO *cough* and how quickly their members found themselves having to seek employment when they tried to throw their weight around...

I hope they didn't. Let them strike. ;)

N965VJ Jan 26, 2011 6:20 pm

It sure will be fun if a union gets voted in. Every time a TSA employee tries to say the Nude-O-Scopes are safe, I can state that the union that they pay dues to doesn't think so, right on the front page of their website.

Then there's this from the NTEU:

Among the problems are <> the potential for excessive radiation exposure, the nation’s largest independent union of federal employees testified at a hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on the Federal Workforce.

These results were shown in two studies by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), which issued a number of recommendations for improvements, including better training on radiation issues and proper work practices and improved equipment maintenance.

“Despite these NIOSH recommendations,” NTEU said, “our members have not seen any personal radiation testing done


:D^


Originally Posted by xscreener (Post 15712205)
It's been 3 years since I quit TSA but I believe that the private TSA is already unionized.

<snip>

The nude-o-scopes make me extremely nervous. Sure glad I'm not standing next to one 8 or 10 hours a day subject to firing if I wear a radiation detection badge.

Welcome to FlyerTalk! :)

welookgood.com Jan 29, 2011 6:54 pm

TSA union vote set for March (things about to get worse!)
 
This spring, airport screeners may get another layer of protection beyond their shiny badges: a union card.

That may be good for the Transportation Security Administration's 48,000 employees -- but it's trouble on wings for millions of American travelers.

TSA workers are set to vote in March on whether to organize, a choice opposed by all earlier TSA administrators.

And for good reason.

If you want to guarantee that airport screening becomes an unaccountable, hyper-expensive bureaucracy, presto.

If you're interested in real security, you're taking a back seat on this flight.

For all its faults, the agency is still the last line of defense against terrorists.

Trouble is, the Obama administration sees the TSA as just another fountain of dues for its labor-union pals.

But that's playing with fire. New threats constantly emerge -- from liquid explosives to underwear bombs -- so a nimble security apparatus is key.

As Sen. Jim DeMint has warned, giving TSA employees bargaining rights would force the agency to haggle with labor reps over work rules before instituting innovative security measures.

Not that TSA agents have much to complain about to begin with. No other federal security agency has collective-bargaining rights -- not the FBI, CIA or Secret Service.

Giving unions any kind of veto on national security is madness. But may be coming soon to an airport near you

OldGoat Jan 29, 2011 7:00 pm

I'll bite -- How will a union make the TSA any less effective in their anti-terrorism role? I can understand a union making the agency more expensive...but less effective? To be less effective, they have to demonstrate some level of effectiveness today. And I don't think they can.

sfo Jan 29, 2011 7:13 pm

If they go on strike, guess the airports will have to shut down, unless whom ever is President pulls a Ronald Reagan.

unLogical Jan 29, 2011 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by OldGoat (Post 15763073)
I'll bite -- How will a union make the TSA any less effective in their anti-terrorism role? I can understand a union making the agency more expensive...but less effective? To be less effective, they have to demonstrate some level of effectiveness today. And I don't think they can.

Canadian airports are unionized. The union doesn't deal with the rules that are in place, such as the liquids rule. The union is there to fight for wages, and ensure discipline is dealt with in an appropriate manner.

CDTraveler Jan 29, 2011 9:32 pm


Originally Posted by Fisher1949 (Post 15710819)
"If the government eliminates the TSA operating screening checkpoints, then the impact of TSA unionization becomes largely moot."

Interesting point. If TSA unionizes then private contractors could become more economically attractive to airports. Despite the claims that security procedures would remain the same, the way they are carried out would be better.

SFO is proof that private screeners are no better, and sometimes far worse, that gov't employed screeners.

jdp23 Jan 30, 2011 8:01 am


Originally Posted by trvlr64 (Post 15710636)
Why does the TSA feel they need a union?

For one thing the TSO's have to spend their day working next to machines with unknown radiation risks -- and they're not even allowed to wear dosimeters! Meanwhile, pilots and flight attendants (who are unionized) have gotten exempted, even though their exposure is far lower.

trvlr64 Jan 30, 2011 8:22 am


Originally Posted by jdp23 (Post 15765102)
For one thing the TSO's have to spend their day working next to machines with unknown radiation risks -- and they're not even allowed to wear dosimeters! Meanwhile, pilots and flight attendants (who are unionized) have gotten exempted, even though their exposure is far lower.


BOO HOO HOO

I entered the radiology profession with the full knowledge of the "dangers" of my profession.

OUR GOVERNMENT decided to roll out the x-ray backscatter units across this country when there is a viable alternative (MMW) which is also implemented in some airports. And if OUR GOVERNMENT didn't give the TSA proper protection then I guess they really don't care about those employees now do they?

They can always find employment elsewhere. Oh wait there aren't any jobs in this country.

Boggie Dog Jan 30, 2011 8:54 am


Originally Posted by unLogical (Post 15763218)
Canadian airports are unionized. The union doesn't deal with the rules that are in place, such as the liquids rule. The union is there to fight for wages, and ensure discipline is dealt with in an appropriate manner.

As reported by "eyecue" some screeners are making $67,000.00 yearly and as Marshal Lucky said that price is just "to damn high".


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