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Seat1A Dec 19, 2010 8:33 am


Originally Posted by FetePerfection (Post 15477330)
Here's my take on TSA interrogation of pax - it's what a lot of us on FT have suggested is needed, Israeli-style security tactics, interviews, bomb sniffing dogs & profiling. Unfortunately I don't think our current TSA are qualified or trained in effective interrogation, but I think it's a step in the right direction. Frankly I would rather answer their questions than submit to NoS or molestation.

+1. got the chatty TSO working the line this morning while waiting for a checkpoint where NoS was roped off. all in all, that's a good morning. i think they should be using this tactic, and in the event congress / courts manage to relegate NoS to secondary use only, i would expect to see a lot more of it.

goalie Dec 19, 2010 11:27 am


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15476906)
I was at MCO this morning, and noticed something that I have never seen. Two & Three stripe clerks were wandering through the lines of pax waiting for the TDC, questioning them about the trips... From what I heard, they were asking questions about destinations, who they were visiting, etc... Do we still have the ability to refuse these questions as we have not entered the checkpoint, or will we run into the same clerk that last night told me that we have no rights?

BDO's doing their best to keep us safe :rolleyes:

No, you do not have to answer any questions and when I have been "asked" both by TSO's in uniform and plainclothes (the ear piece kinda gave it away ;)), I simply told them to "please use their BDO training to "spot" someone else". Took them a few seconds to pick their jaw up off the floor ;) but that was it and they went away.

Global_Hi_Flyer Dec 19, 2010 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 15480634)
And that would be a bad thing because.... ?

Do you believe that a dog will scare a determined terrorist? If you believe that, I invite you to see how some folks are able to beat polygraphs.


Note to Pistole: You're not a cop anymore, the primary purpose of the TSA is not to catch terrorists. Or criminals or deadbeat dads or underage college kids etc., etc.

RichardKenner Dec 19, 2010 1:31 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 15482283)
Do you believe that a dog will scare a determined terrorist? If you believe that, I invite you to see how some folks are able to beat polygraphs.

"Know your enemy" is very important. I don't think there are very many "determined terrorists". People who are getting mentally prepared to kill themselves aren't exactly in a great mental state and I don't think that comparing them to people who have learned to beat polygraphs is realistic. It won't take much to disrupt the delicate mental balance suicide bombers have formed.

gojirasan Dec 19, 2010 1:41 pm

I don't think there are very many "terrorists" period, but the few that actually exist I think are quite determined. There are plenty of people who are quite prepared to kill themselves. Even eager. A dog isn't going to stop them. And they certainly aren't going to be afraid of one no matter how large and ferocious. If you have no fear of death I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that you won't be too afraid of dogs either. I don't think a suicidal person has any sort of "delicate mental balance". It is a stable condition. They have committed to dying for a cause that they believe in. What they consider a noble cause. If they are discovered by a dog they can just blow themselves up, preferably in the most crowded area possible. A busy checkpoint could be even better in terms of casualties, fear, and potential political change than an airplane. I can just imagine that they would love to see the effect of that on security procedures. Pre-checkpoints would surely be the result. And then pre-pre-checkpoints ad infinitum. It would almost be funny if it weren't so ridiculous.

fwh Dec 19, 2010 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by mikemey (Post 15480978)
"Are you ready to accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour?"

That might get them to run...I know I head for the hills when I hear it. :D

Lol, I second this. I need to get a small bible and carry it in my hand the next time I'm in line.

FliesWay2Much Dec 19, 2010 3:21 pm


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 15478865)
I don't disagree; although after the BDO asked me if I had ID, to which I responded yes, and then asked to see it, to which I responded no, that was probably the straw that broke the camel's back leading to two BDO's tailing me, a subsequent detention by LEO's for 90 minutes and confiscation of my property for over 24 hours (and this was all landside).

Prior to the TDC, I think that is more problematic for the TSA.

You would think so, but, there is nothing in the TSA PIA that makes this distinction. It's certainly not in their best interests. For that matter, nearly EVERYTHING the TSA does is problematic.

saizai Dec 19, 2010 3:44 pm


Originally Posted by fwh (Post 15482889)
Lol, I second this. I need to get a small bible and carry it in my hand the next time I'm in line.

Better yet, carry a copy of the Principia Discordia and ask if they've accepted the Holy Chao as the guiding truth of existence.

JakiChan Dec 19, 2010 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by saizai (Post 15483277)
Better yet, carry a copy of the Principia Discordia and ask if they've accepted the Holy Chao as the guiding truth of existence.

Pshaw. More importantly: Are they prepared to be thrown into the mouth of the Great Cthulhu like a piece of movie popcorn?

FliesWay2Much Dec 19, 2010 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by fwh (Post 15482889)
Lol, I second this. I need to get a small bible and carry it in my hand the next time I'm in line.

A Koran or Hebrew prayer book (doesn't matter -- the strange letters are all the same to virtually all screeners and SPOTNiks) would send them into low earth orbit.

Wally Bird Dec 19, 2010 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 15482283)
Do you believe that a dog will scare a determined terrorist?

If by 'you', you mean me personally then it wasn't my hypothesis in the first place.

The quote seemed to imply that scaring off terrorists was something to be avoided. Struck me as a remarkable disconnect, which prompted the second of my comments.

PhlyingRPh Dec 19, 2010 7:08 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 15477205)
It only happened to me once; I had time to spare, so I had fun with it. He came up with his partner nearby but pretending not to listen. He asked me how I was and I said "fine". Then he asked me for my BP and I gave it to him. He asked why I was going to Chicago. I got fed up and replied: "See spot; see spot run; go spot; go spot go . . . bother another passenger". The look was priceless. I was given SSSS treatment and filed a complaint.

I am proud of you. ^^


Originally Posted by zefatcheese (Post 15480613)
THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM with the Americans doing this: when someone gets INDIGNANT, TRULY INDIGNANT, it PROVES they're innocent.

El Al didn't want my fiance to take her computer once with her on a trip (this was a while ago -- forgot why). She told them, "I'm not flying without my lap-top." They let her go w/o a hassle. Another time, she got asked about some Jew stuff, and she lost her temper and told them to get stuffed.

Again, they let her go on her way, straight-away.

In both cases, the TSA wouldn't budge, and they'd react as a stupid bureaucracy, rather than an intellgience(LOL!) agency of sorts.

I am also proud of your girlfriend ^^

goalie Dec 20, 2010 11:15 am


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 15477205)
It only happened to me once; I had time to spare, so I had fun with it. He came up with his partner nearby but pretending not to listen. He asked me how I was and I said "fine". Then he asked me for my BP and I gave it to him. He asked why I was going to Chicago. I got fed up and replied: "See spot; see spot run; go spot; go spot go . . . bother another passenger". The look was priceless. I was given SSSS treatment and filed a complaint.

And the TSA shall not giveth retaliatory screening. Yeah, right :rolleyes: :td: :mad:


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