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LuvAirFrance Dec 16, 2010 12:54 am

Terrorism of the Loins
 
I got this hit from a google search of TSA pat down articles. Love the title.

Fighting Terrorism in your Loin Region

doober Dec 16, 2010 6:22 am

A poorly written article and the photo of the image on the outside of the machine is misleading as there are no machines in the US with that type of image (although supposedly one has been tested at BOS).

Saitek Dec 16, 2010 7:08 am

Ya know I just had a thought...when you raise your arms in the scanner, not only are you allowing yourself to be strip searched, theres a subliminal messege being injected here.

When a criminal, is told to stop, and (complies) he is ordered to riase his arms Place his hands on his head... this allows the Officer to better disarm the subject, as well do a more thorough search... But what it also does, is further removes the personal sense of security in a very interesting way. As a criminal, is disarmed using the SAME methods.

So, for all those sheeple out there who are saying 'anything for security' the design of this, is making you, an innocent person, more comfortable with being forced to submit to a perceived sense of authority. Wether the authority exists or not doesnt matter. The idea that you are required to not only be strip searched and groped, you are also being told to surrender. And are therefore being ultimately charged with a crime.

Which would explain WHY you are questioned by police if you refuse. Why you are detained. Why you could be arrested, and why they want your contact information.

Because as soon as you enter that check point, you are charged with a crime. And people who are charged with crimes, undergo mandatory searches and siezures, must answer questions, and give up their identification.

But, if you comply, and prove to them, that you are infact innocent the charges are dropped. If you refuse to comply, they use the 'charged with a crime' approach.

SO while it may not be illegal to opt out completely of everything, doesnt change the fact that you still have been charged with a crime, its just they didnt bother to tell you.

FetePerfection Dec 16, 2010 7:19 am


Originally Posted by Saitek (Post 15460940)
Ya know I just had a thought...when you raise your arms in the scanner, not only are you allowing yourself to be strip searched, theres a subliminal messege being injected here.

When a criminal, is told to stop, and (complies) he is ordered to riase his arms Place his hands on his head... this allows the Officer to better disarm the subject, as well do a more thorough search... But what it also does, is further removes the personal sense of security in a very interesting way. As a criminal, is disarmed using the SAME methods.

So, for all those sheeple out there who are saying 'anything for security' the design of this, is making you, an innocent person, more comfortable with being forced to submit to a perceived sense of authority. Wether the authority exists or not doesnt matter. The idea that you are required to not only be strip searched and groped, you are also being told to surrender. And are therefore being ultimately charged with a crime.

Which would explain WHY you are questioned by police if you refuse. Why you are detained. Why you could be arrested, and why they want your contact information.

Because as soon as you enter that check point, you are charged with a crime. And people who are charged with crimes, undergo mandatory searches and siezures, must answer questions, and give up their identification.

But, if you comply, and prove to them, that you are infact innocent the charges are dropped. If you refuse to comply, they use the 'charged with a crime' approach.

SO while it may not be illegal to opt out completely of everything, doesnt change the fact that you still have been charged with a crime, its just they didnt bother to tell you.

I had an aha moment just as soon as you mentioned the similarities of a criminal submission and that of the traveling public. You really hit the nail on the head with each of these points. Unfortunately none of them make me feel better or safer.

WindOfFreedom Dec 16, 2010 7:26 am


Originally Posted by FetePerfection (Post 15460986)
I had an aha moment just as soon as you mentioned the similarities of a criminal submission and that of the traveling public. You really hit the nail on the head with each of these points. Unfortunately none of them make me feel better or safer.

Pistole himself said it: "Submit or don't fly." His choice of words tells you very clearly what he thinks of all of us.

doober Dec 16, 2010 7:29 am

For a long time, I have likened the "surrender position" of WBI as symbolic of our surrendering to the terrorists.

Al Coholic Dec 16, 2010 7:32 am


Originally Posted by Saitek (Post 15460940)
Because as soon as you enter that check point, you are charged with a crime. And people who are charged with crimes, undergo mandatory searches and siezures, must answer questions, and give up their identification.

But, if you comply, and prove to them, that you are infact innocent the charges are dropped. If you refuse to comply, they use the 'charged with a crime' approach.

Totally agree. That's why TSA must be disbanded and former employees summarily imprisoned until investigative commission clears them.

...like that's going to happen. But a man can dream.

RadioGirl Dec 16, 2010 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by doober (Post 15460759)
A poorly written article and the photo of the image on the outside of the machine is misleading as there are no machines in the US with that type of image (although supposedly one has been tested at BOS).

Agree. Factually wrong (comparison of x-ray radiation to cell phones, etc), errors in grammar and punctuation, and poorly researched. (Although I love "an even more evasive pat down will be administered." ;) )

Brian, sweetie, I hope you're not majoring in engineering, science, English, journalism, political science...

Oh, look :rolleyes: :


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