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Fredd Nov 21, 2010 6:04 pm

There's also general discussion about Pistole's Sunday-afternoon statement in this thread.

JumboD Nov 21, 2010 6:27 pm


Originally Posted by Fredd (Post 15228573)
There's little doubt of that IMHO. Maybe their PR dept. will also institute celebrity public service announcements to overcome our silly reluctance at X-Rays and groping, e.g.

I'm Whoopi Goldberg and I don't mind a squeeze. Why should you?

I nominate Lance Armstrong.

halls120 Nov 21, 2010 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 15230480)
The TSA is engaged in a process of "frog in boiling water". They turned the heat up too high, too fast. They will learn by cooling it down for a bit and slowly cranking it up. I would not be surprised if some folks at the agency are looking forward to doing cavity searches.

Sorry, but I don't buy the idea that TSA is backing down. The frog analogy is perfect. Inside TSA and DHS, the mood is anger - towards the public for turning against them and the media for not taking their side of the discussion. They truly believe that what they are doing is right, and that the traveling public needs to be bullied into submission.

motorguy Nov 21, 2010 6:36 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 15228124)
Not good enough. Pistole and Napolitano must resign.

Still not good enough. They ought to be fired.
Yea, right. Do we forget who is the President? Probably going to take a bit more than two years to get rid of these louts.

standupforrights Nov 21, 2010 6:36 pm

We should not back down until the Porno Scan machines are removed completely.

There is no way Americans get their rights back until this system of assuming everyone is guilty of carrying a bomb is completely and utterly destroyed.

TXagogo Nov 21, 2010 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by standupforrights (Post 15231327)
We should not back down until the Porno Scan machines are removed completely.

There is no way Americans get their rights back until this system of assuming everyone is guilty of carrying a bomb is completely and utterly destroyed.

+1000 - get rid of the machines, get rid of sexual assaults, and ensure everyone involved in congress and DHS gets a thorough woodshed discussion about what the 4th Amedment means in this country.

Fredd Nov 21, 2010 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 15231299)
Sorry, but I don't buy the idea that TSA is backing down. The frog analogy is perfect. Inside TSA and DHS, the mood is anger - towards the public for turning against them and the media for not taking their side of the discussion. They truly believe that what they are doing is right, and that the traveling public needs to be bullied into submission.

I wouldn't doubt that. At the moment the anger is reciprocal and it's their political masters who are the ones also taking the heat. The political masters don't like that.

Those of us opposed to all this should be continuing to make contact with elected politicians to let them know of our adamant opposition.

sfo Nov 21, 2010 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 15228124)
Not good enough. Pistole and Napolitano must resign.

But if they resign then they will have to go throught the check points as "ordinary people"

jkhuggins Nov 21, 2010 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by standupforrights (Post 15231327)
We should not back down until the Porno Scan machines are removed completely.

This would be over-reacting. WBI actually would be beneficial for some passengers: namely, those who consistently set off the WTMDs for medical reasons (e.g. surgical implants). Those passengers have to endure secondary screening every time they enter the checkpoint. Giving those passengers a choice of a WBI scan or a patdown would be a good thing, allowing them some small amount of control during the screening process.

The problem occurs when everyone is required to submit to WBI, whether or not probable cause for secondary screening has been established.

Olton Hall Nov 21, 2010 6:54 pm


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 15231299)
... Inside TSA and DHS, the mood is anger - towards the public for turning against them and the media for not taking their side of the discussion. They truly believe that what they are doing is right, and that the traveling public needs to be bullied into submission.

They made the bed so they can sleep in it.

FriendlySkies Nov 21, 2010 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 15228146)
Sir, we know security is necessary at the airports. It's your agency's brand of security that is not necessary.

+100000

If airports around the world, including Israel, can conduct reasonable "searches ;)" without the lackluster customer service, and theater that TSA is known for, we would be much happier!

Boggie Dog Nov 21, 2010 7:19 pm

I suggest that screening will evolve to be more acceptable to travelers or Pistole will evolve to the unemployment line.

Ari Nov 21, 2010 7:21 pm


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 15231299)
Sorry, but I don't buy the idea that TSA is backing down. The frog analogy is perfect. Inside TSA and DHS, the mood is anger - towards the public for turning against them and the media for not taking their side of the discussion. They truly believe that what they are doing is right, and that the traveling public needs to be bullied into submission.

They are convinced that if they could just explain it properly, any rational person would be for it.

standupforrights Nov 21, 2010 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 15231484)
This would be over-reacting. WBI actually would be beneficial for some passengers: namely, those who consistently set off the WTMDs for medical reasons (e.g. surgical implants). Those passengers have to endure secondary screening every time they enter the checkpoint. Giving those passengers a choice of a WBI scan or a patdown would be a good thing, allowing them some small amount of control during the screening process.

The problem occurs when everyone is required to submit to WBI, whether or not probable cause for secondary screening has been established.

No way. Passengers with implants have been carrying doctors letters with them for 9 years and it worked fine.

The Porno Scan supposedly does not penetrate the skin, so it wouldn't make a difference for someone with an implant.

The only reason for the change to the porno scans is that the technology is now available, and the TSA has placed a large contract for them. They must be removed.

Boggie Dog Nov 21, 2010 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 15231299)
Sorry, but I don't buy the idea that TSA is backing down. The frog analogy is perfect. Inside TSA and DHS, the mood is anger - towards the public for turning against them and the media for not taking their side of the discussion. They truly believe that what they are doing is right, and that the traveling public needs to be bullied into submission.

I have no doubt that TSA is angry.

That tells me a lot. TSA has no concern for the public's values. TSA does not listen to the public concerns and TSA does not have the public's interest as their first priority.

These things are fatal flaws in any government agency.


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