Flying is a privilege, not a a right.

There are other means of transportation.

Freedom isn't free.

TSA is professional workforce carrying out procedures they were trained to perform to keep aviation security safe.

You give up a lot of your rights when you bought that ticket.

A lot of them are actually conflict creation specialists -- they manufacture intimidating, confrontational situations on purpose. I don't know if it's because they hate their job or they hate the public, but the psyches of TSOs are major fuel for public hatred of TSA. People don't hate the security staff at AMS, HKG, TLV, etc. the way they hate our Stateside blueshirts, and that attitude didn't come out of nowhere.

Seeing an under-18 child being molested by an abusive TSO (and there are plenty of them) I think a protective parent might well snap and have a go at the guy. I am not at all violence-minded and I don't have a teenage daughter, but as I read these accounts and put myself in any father's shoes as he stands at a checkpoint, my thoughts drift naturally to... breaking someone's jaw. I can't believe we won't get through Thanksgiving week without some such incident.

If and when it happens, it would be interesting to see what the passengers watching react. Maybe some concourse checkpoint at EWR or DEN or DFW will become the Lexington Battle Green of the 21st century... substitute blueshirts for Redcoats.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating violence or any form of illegal activity. I'm just interested to see what happens.

Um... you're being ironic, right? :confused:

Which is why I will be ROTFL and cheering when the first youtube video of a smurf getting what he deserves appears.

Actually, no.

I am being sarcastic.

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A lot of that has been superceded

I'd suggest you take a very close look at your signature line and read it for comprehension:

Some states have a duty to retreat (leave instead of acting in self defense). But, TSA is saying passengers can't leave screening once they get to the checkpoint and threatens them with a $11,000 fine for doing so.

I am not, however, advocating any violence, in self defense or otherwise.

yes and there much more dangerous. A little research would do you alot of good as the risk of dying in a plane crash as a result of a act of terrorism is very remote, pretty close to one in centillion. you are 1,000-20,000 more likely to be injured or killed in a car wreck then a plane crash. more people are killed on US highways each month then were killed in 9/11. the injuries are at rates 5-20x the number of deaths. then the economic damage from those care wrecks is vastly more then the economic damage/losses incurred from 9/11 and that is each and every month.

Then on 9/11/2001 according to the World Health Organization 33,000 children died of starvation while the world turned away uncaring to wrapped up in there own lives to do any good or help.

So why should 8+ billion a year be focused on such a remote chance when that money could actually go to programs that acutally save lives and prevent death and destruction.

yes but very few will give what is needed to maintain that freedom.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

but also

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -- Thomas Jefferson

please tell me your joking because that is far what i have seen. more like power tripping mcdonalds reject wannabe cops. The reasons and examples are as long as is the day.

Thats your opinion, per the COC there is no documentation to prove that, furthermore i see the TSA as being in violation of a two party contract via third party interference.

Just to note a few points:

1. All these cases involve state courts, not federal. If someone clocks a TSO, it is just as likely that the federal government would choose to prosecute under some federal law, in which case these cases are irrelevant.

2. These cases recite common law. In most states, common law will have been superseded by state statutory law.

3. These cases refer to "officers," in the context of law enforcement officers. TSOs are not law enforcement officers. I suspect there is more leeway in "clocking" a federal employee or civilian in this context, but I'd want to research the law very, very, very carefully before embarking on such a precipitous path.

Yes.

Duh.

Correct. Sometimes people must risk their lives to ensure that our freedoms (ALL OF THEM) are maintained.

You are as wrong as you could possibly be. See here.

This is a common argument made by people who just don't get it. Your right to "feel safe" is no more important than everyone's right to LIBERTY. Want some examples of how dumb this "don't fly" attitude is? See here.

ScatterX and Scubatooth -- from now on, I will appropriately insert smileys when I attempt humor/sarcasm, such as

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Those statements, I had hoped, would be recognized as direct quotes from various apologists for/from TSA.

My own take on this subject can be ascertained if you check my various postings on the matter.

As I pointed out in a later post, Kevin Harris successfully claimed self-defense in his prosecution for the alleged murder of U.S. Marshal William Degan at Ruby Ridge. The defense definitely exists in the federal system, although my sixty seconds of quality time with Google didn't turn up any citations.

When a TSO actually gets his just deserts, I doubt the "clocker" will be doing any prior research. It will just be some poor traveler whose family is being molested or whose buttons have been pushed one time too many. Most will just pay their fines & do their time. I just hope that a few of them get a good attorney & fight it.

With regard to a couple comments by others that are more on the lines of rioting, a claim of self-defense won't cut it in that case.

My apologies. It's sometimes hard to tell the disgusting filth :rolleyes: of TSA apologists :rolleyes: form the sarcasm of sane people.

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You should be careful with statements like this since that sword cuts both ways. A quick search on Google shows that YOUR profession as an EMT has its share of bad actors as well. Bottom line, you are going to have a number of idiots employed in every occupation under the sun that mirrors the society from which these employees belong. Furthermore, a significant percentage of TSA employees are veterans...guess all those folks in uniform are "power tripping McDonalds rejects" as well in YOUR rather uneducated opinion. Again, how do you like living in a glass house?

TB

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Do you have a legal citation (other than what Napolitano and Pistole said) for your assertion that flying is a privilege and that a passenger gives up "a lot of your rights" when a ticket is purchased? I suspect that you do not.

With respect to the airport searches and scanners, TSA employees are doing what they are ordered to do by Napolitano and Pistole. Some employees perform their job with courtesy.

Other employees, who have personality disorders, take advantage of Napolitano's and Pistole's insistence that scanners and groping will continue. Based on videos and recordings I have seen and heard on the news, some out-of-control TSA employees enjoy upsetting passengers and groping them and insulting them. This is now public record.

I fly a lot, (last year more than 200,000 miles and this year I just completed 161,000 miles). However, I do not plan to travel by air again until TSA is reeled in and put back in control. I have no travel-by-air plans for any of next year or the remainder of this year.

I suspect there will be many travelers with similar schedules that require them to travel a lot. I know of associates who have already canceled their flights until further notice.

The eventual effect of people not flying is obvious. The airlines will run out of money because there will not be enough paying passengers. The airlines will not be able to pay their employees nor their bills.

There will be another financial crisis within the airline industry. The layoffs of employees and the financial burden will be directly traced back to the abuses by TSA.

An ancillary fallout to the TSA madness is that Reichsführer-SS John Pistole and his incompetent boss, Napolitano, are merely contributing to the rapidly descending approval rating of Obama.

In your initial post you stated - "I carry a battered pocket copy of the Constitution in my "bug-out" bag every day to work with me."

I suggest you read through your copy of the Constitution and pay particular attention to where it states that Americans will not have their privacy violated nor be subject to unreasonable searches.

After you finish reading your copy of the Constitution, I must ask you, how can privacy (A Constitutional right) be maintained when a passenger (an American) is required to submit to a radiation machine (that shows them naked) or, if the same American chooses not to submit to the radiation, the alternative is to be sexually groped and/or molested (a violation of another Constitutional right), all in the name of security?
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