IND: No camera in private screening room
Good morning from Indianapolis (IND)......did my part for the movement by doing the opt-out.....just took 3 cries of "opt-out" before they found someone to do the enhanced patdown.....interesting to get the front-of-hand grope up-to-testicles from both front and back (the TSO hands were much wider than my legs).......
During the demeaning procedure which made me feel oh-so-American, I was staring-up at the ceiling noticing all the camera windows......so I talked with the 3-stripe supervisor afterwards to ask if all enhanced pat-downs were done in an place where the cameras could record them. He said "yes, but I don't think there's a camera in the private room in back."!!!!!!!! Is that usual? |
Originally Posted by peersteve
(Post 15171632)
He said "yes, but I don't think there's a camera in the private room in back."!!!!!!!!
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TSA must not think you will need to record the encounter.. Supposedly, a witness is not even allowed to record the pat-down if you are pulled into a private room.
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It seems to me that having cameras in the "private room" would at least partly defeat the purpose of going to the private room in the first place.
Bruce |
However, it's another interesting thing to try. On what basis can they forbid you from recording the private pat-down? currently the TSA website states that all recording is fine except for security monitors.
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Originally Posted by TamCaP
(Post 15172198)
However, it's another interesting thing to try. On what basis can they forbid you from recording the private pat-down? currently the TSA website states that all recording is fine except for security monitors.
From http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/custome...rial_1029.shtm : TSA does not prohibit photographs at screening locations; however, local laws, state statutes, or local ordinances may. We recommend contacting your local airport authority in advance to ensure you are familiar with their local procedures. While TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming at screening locations, TSA may ask a photographer to stop if they are interfering with the screening process or taking photos of X-ray monitor screens in a checkpoint. |
Originally Posted by TamCaP
(Post 15172198)
However, it's another interesting thing to try. On what basis can they forbid you from recording the private pat-down? currently the TSA website states that all recording is fine except for security monitors.
:rolleyes: While TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming at screening locations, TSA may ask a photographer to stop if they are interfering with the screening process or taking photos of X-ray monitor screens in a checkpoint. |
At least one poster in this forum has previously stated that airport bans on private (non-commercial) photography of publicly accessible spaces will stand only until challenged in court.
OTOH, private screening area might be defined as a not publicly accessible spot, so different rules may apply. Re: recording monitors That's interesting. "TSA will ask you to stop". I believe I was told that in LEO lingo "asking" means something else than "requesting". As in, the former is (at least in theory) something you might refuse without any negative consequences. :confused: |
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 15172265)
Technically, they don't ban the recording of monitors. They just ask you not to..
While TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming at screening locations, TSA may ask a photographer to stop if they are interfering with the screening process or taking photos of X-ray monitor screens in a checkpoint. |
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 15171988)
It seems to me that having cameras in the "private room" would at least partly defeat the purpose of going to the private room in the first place.
Bruce (Unless I misunderstood and we are talking about cameras owned by passengers.) |
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 15171988)
It seems to me that having cameras in the "private room" would at least partly defeat the purpose of going to the private room in the first place.
Bruce |
Originally Posted by jesirose
(Post 15172454)
I would think the private room is to prevent other passengers from seeing the events. I'd still want there to be video evidence of any abuse from TSA.
Prior to starting any screening process I start recording from the phone. If I'm verbally abused while going through the checkpoint I want to make sure that I have some record of it. Now if they only made something that did the same thing in the same manner and included video... I'd love to just start the video recording and let it run undetected. It would be nice to be able to carry the phone through the WTMD on me as well, just to ensure that all confrontations are recorded. It would be nice to have something to show a jury in the (rather unlikely) event that I file a lawsuit against TSA (and specific TSOs) some day. |
Originally Posted by TamCaP
(Post 15172266)
Re: recording monitors
That's interesting. "TSA will ask you to stop". I believe I was told that in LEO lingo "asking" means something else than "requesting". As in, the former is (at least in theory) something you might refuse without any negative consequences. :confused: However, the vast majority of passengers are not "covered persons" and, as such, have no duty to protect SSI. So there is no legal prohibition against non-"covered persons" from filming the monitors, provided they are in plain view and you are not interfering with the screening process. FYI, airline personnel are for the most part considered "covered persons." |
Originally Posted by clrankin
(Post 15172785)
If you have an Android-based phone there's a cool application for it that allows you to (at least) record the audio of what's happening in an unobtrusive manner that's impossible to detect even if TSA or local LEOs manage to want to play with your cell phone in the process. It's called Cop Recorder, and I've had it on my phone for several months now... When it starts recording there's really no way to tell that it's recording.
Prior to starting any screening process I start recording from the phone. If I'm verbally abused while going through the checkpoint I want to make sure that I have some record of it. Now if they only made something that did the same thing in the same manner and included video... I'd love to just start the video recording and let it run undetected. It would be nice to be able to carry the phone through the WTMD on me as well, just to ensure that all confrontations are recorded. It would be nice to have something to show a jury in the (rather unlikely) event that I file a lawsuit against TSA (and specific TSOs) some day. |
Originally Posted by jesirose
(Post 15173190)
The BF and I both have iPhones and we plan to record anything that happens that we're uncomfortable with on our trip.
With the iPhone, you can set the voice recording function, and then lock the phone. :) |
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