Participate in Opt-Out Day without flying?
A coworker is thinking about participating in Opt-Out Day by purchasing a refundable ticket, clearing security, and then leaving the airport. But it was suggested this could somehow be construed as unlawful interference with the screening process, since he'd have no intent of actually flying, and would just be trying to add to the chaos.
I have not had a chance to research the applicable laws, but I fear the TSA would try to make some sort of civil penalty or criminal charge stick. |
Originally Posted by morcheeba
(Post 15152532)
A coworker is thinking about participating in Opt-Out Day by purchasing a refundable ticket, clearing security, and then leaving the airport. But it was suggested this could somehow be construed as unlawful interference with the screening process, since he'd have no intent of actually flying, and would just be trying to add to the chaos.
I have not had a chance to research the applicable laws, but I fear the TSA would try to make some sort of civil penalty or criminal charge stick. He has a valid ticket! |
Sounds like your coworker has a decent plan, if he's willing to execute it. He's not required to chat with the TSA or anybody else about his plans or advance intent not to fly.
Assuming he goes through the screening process "opt out" of course, and clears to airside, then turns around and goes through the exits then gets his ticket refunded, what is the TSA going to do? What was unlawful about going through the screening process? Also, TSA doesn't check ID's at the exits, last I heard, so how would they know he left? What criminal charge would there be? What civil penalty would apply? And why do YOU "fear" anything anyway? After all, you're not the one putting themselves out there--your co-worker is. |
Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 15152587)
And why do YOU "fear" anything anyway? After all, you're not the one putting themselves out there--your co-worker is.
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Originally Posted by morcheeba
(Post 15152616)
Exactly. Thus far, I've declined the invitation to join him in this stunt, for the reason I mentioned.
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Originally Posted by morcheeba
(Post 15152532)
A coworker is thinking about participating in Opt-Out Day by purchasing a refundable ticket, clearing security, and then leaving the airport. But it was suggested this could somehow be construed as unlawful interference with the screening process, since he'd have no intent of actually flying, and would just be trying to add to the chaos.
I have not had a chance to research the applicable laws, but I fear the TSA would try to make some sort of civil penalty or criminal charge stick. If your coworker's not one of us, he should be. :D |
Originally Posted by morcheeba
(Post 15152532)
A coworker is thinking about participating in Opt-Out Day by purchasing a refundable ticket, clearing security, and then leaving the airport. But it was suggested this could somehow be construed as unlawful interference with the screening process, since he'd have no intent of actually flying, and would just be trying to add to the chaos.
I have not had a chance to research the applicable laws, but I fear the TSA would try to make some sort of civil penalty or criminal charge stick. In any event, please check the "meet-ups" planned for several airports around the country -- people who cannot fly can still hand out leaflets, etc. |
Just as a thought how many entrances and exits could you make on one refundable ticket?
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I've considered doing this for NOOD too. My only reservations (other than my time) are some guilt about needlessly blocking an airline seat on an otherwise swamped day. No matter how you look at it, there's a good chance you are depriving someone else of that seat, even if you cancel the ticket hours before flight.
Were I to do it, I would pack an "appropriate" carry-on bag for a day-trip. I.e., a laptop and a book and my sunglasses, etc. Going through with nothing whatsoever (and having no checked luggage) might draw suspicion unrelated to the scope of the exercise. |
Originally Posted by PhilaBurbTom
(Post 15153464)
Just as a thought how many entrances and exits could you make on one refundable ticket?
Edited to add: Since they write on your Boarding Pass at the ID checkpoint, that would show you already went through and might tip them off. But if you printed out, oh heck, half a dozen identical boarding passes at home before going to the airport... and went to a big airport with multiple security checkpoints... {wicked evil grin} |
Originally Posted by PhilaBurbTom
(Post 15153464)
Just as a thought how many entrances and exits could you make on one refundable ticket?
But at a big airport with a lot of checkpoints, you could make a lot of entrances. Or you could time your visit with a shift change and make 4 trips through 1 checkpoint. |
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 15153560)
I've considered doing this for NOOD too. My only reservations (other than my time) are some guilt about needlessly blocking an airline seat on an otherwise swamped day. No matter how you look at it, there's a good chance you are depriving someone else of that seat, even if you cancel the ticket hours before flight.
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I'd like to participate by handing out the leaflets at my home airport. I can't really afford a refundable ticket and frankly, I'm trying to steel myself up for the fun and games I'll experience in January.
I will go search for the appropriate thread (I'm pretty sure I saw one about a week ago) regarding handing out flyers at airports, but if anyone knows offhand where the thread is or what the title of the thread is, I'd appreciate the info so I don't waste others' time and to get info on how one legally does this form of protest. |
Originally Posted by morcheeba
(Post 15152532)
A coworker is thinking about participating in Opt-Out Day by purchasing a refundable ticket, clearing security, and then leaving the airport. But it was suggested this could somehow be construed as unlawful interference with the screening process, since he'd have no intent of actually flying, and would just be trying to add to the chaos.
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 15153633)
Bad press for acting "suspicious," getting arrested for things unrelated to the nude-o-scope, or getting caught "gaming" the system, will not help the NOOD message.
And an arrest, along with the exact details is bad PR for them. It shows how much of a security theater they actually are. ;) "Man enters secure area 20 times in one day and never flies!" |
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 15153560)
I've considered doing this for NOOD too. My only reservations (other than my time) are some guilt about needlessly blocking an airline seat on an otherwise swamped day.
What the airlines also want is revenue. If you purchase a refundable ticket, clear security, then request a refund, you have deprived the airline of revenue, and hence one of the overall goals of this campaign. The airlines will notice if refundable tickets are processed on NOOD. Everyone should note, though, that you may not get as lucky as John Tyner. He had a non-refundable ticket refunded by AA. I would not recommend expecting a similar outcome. It's likely that he found a sympathetic TA. The rest of us may not be so lucky. I have already purchased several refundable, round-trip tickets for NOOD across a number of airlines, and will opt-out through the c/p, leave, and request refunds 10 minutes prior to departure. Letters will follow to the CEO of every airline explaining that I refuse to fly under these conditions. To the OP's point, all that is required is that one clears "security". If you clear the c/p and then decide to leave, there is no law against it. They only require that you complete the process. |
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