Originally Posted by mikemey (Post 15009004)

There should be 1 sign that is standard for every NoS: It should state:
1. What the machine is
2. What it does
3. That it is optional to go through the machine, and what the alternative is.

Originally Posted by mikemey (Post 15009004)

I would like to thank you for your professional interactions with us. It's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to some of the others I have interacted with.

I have a question, maybe you can't answer it, but I'll ask it anyway:

You stated what goes on at ORD. Thats well and good. But why is it that the signage for these machines is NOT standardized across the country?

There should be 1 sign that is standard for every NoS: It should state:
1. What the machine is
2. What it does
3. That it is optional to go through the machine, and what the alternative is.

And it should be in simple language, with pertinent parts bolded (such as the opt out)

There should also be signs available (not necessary posted, but available upon request) in the following languages:
-Spanish
-Italian
-French
-Russian
-Polish
-Chinese
-Japanese
-Arabic

This should cover the majority of travelers.

Why can't the TSA do that? How hard would it be? Hell, it would probably save money because once there's a standard sign, you wouldn't have to worry about airports doing their own thing.

Originally Posted by barbell (Post 15009570)

As a data point, these signs do technically have the information you mention. Looking around for something else, I stumbled across the following links, which are the signs that I've seen, poorly placed, in the airports that I have transited.

MMW

http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/mmw_info.pdf

Backscatter

http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/mmw_info.pdf

The backscatter one does, indeed mention, in bold, that the scanner is optional. (n.b. I have not personally encountered the backscatter. Hence I have not seen the sign ORDOfcr describes.)

However, the poor design and placement of these signs makes it so that understanding that point is not a given for the majority of travelers who don't even know what they are stepping into.

Of course, they don't really describe the alternative as we've heard it relayed here and elsewhere. And that is also a problem.

Let me add my thanks to ORDOfcr for his/her professional and reasoned response. We'd get a lot further if everyone adopted this posting style.

Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 15010072)

'Use of this technology is optional' is to me a rather vague and misleading sentence. I don't think that makes it clear that the traveller has the choice of not using the technology, and could be misinterpreted several ways.

Originally Posted by mikemey (Post 15010016)

EDIT: Not sure if this was intentional or not, but your backscatter and MMW posters aren't different - they're both the MMW one.

Originally Posted by ORDofcr (Post 15008746)

I will be posting pictures. These signs are not airport specific except for the different technologies. These signs are mandatory to be placed outside of any of the WBI machines. The signage is a requirement by the WBI SOP. If you ever encounter a WBI without the required signage please by all means bring this point up to a screening supervisor.

Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 15010458)

Here's the backscatter Nude-O-Scope. I think barbell just made a typo. ;)

Looking at the URL, it's interesting to note that the document is called "backscatter_legal.pdf"

Originally Posted by Wimpie (Post 15019746)

Originally Posted by mikemey (Post 15009004)

I would like to thank you for your professional interactions with us. It's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to some of the others I have interacted with.

I have a question, maybe you can't answer it, but I'll ask it anyway:

You stated what goes on at ORD. Thats well and good. But why is it that the signage for these machines is NOT standardized across the country?

There should be 1 sign that is standard for every NoS: It should state:
1. What the machine is
2. What it does
3. That it is optional to go through the machine, and what the alternative is.

And it should be in simple language, with pertinent parts bolded (such as the opt out)

There should also be signs available (not necessary posted, but available upon request) in the following languages:
-Spanish
-Italian
-French
-Russian
-Polish
-Chinese
-Japanese
-Arabic

This should cover the majority of travelers.

Why can't the TSA do that? How hard would it be? Hell, it would probably save money because once there's a standard sign, you wouldn't have to worry about airports doing their own thing.

Originally Posted by ORDofcr (Post 15024395)

You are more than welcome. The signage is standardized in the AIT SOP.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2194/photo1we.jpg
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8286/photo2ct.jpg
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8777/photo3kd.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6978/photo4oc.jpg


These are the signs that are required to be posted in front of any AIT machines. These signs are not airport specific and are exact copies of attachments in the SOP in the AIT SOP.

Originally Posted by ORDofcr (Post 15024395)

These are the signs that are required to be posted in front of any AIT machines. These signs are not airport specific and are exact copies of attachments in the SOP in the AIT SOP.

Originally Posted by doober (Post 15024451)

What is the actual size of the signs?