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Wally Bird Aug 10, 2010 6:57 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 14450926)
If the MCO FSD mandated this, then he/she is a real scumbag who should be caned and terminated.

What is really discouraging is that it appears that not one of the thousands who passed through MCO had the ***** to balk at this :td: .

I know people have places to go and just want to get out of there, but I'd like to think someone would at least raise some kind of objection, mild or otherwise. I would have, but I acknowledge that I'm in a better position than most to do so - my time is my own and I will not be bullied, intimidated or mistreated by screeners.

Did this get asked on PV ? I never go there, but I'd be interested in how BB squirms out of answering.

PhoenixRev Aug 10, 2010 8:46 am


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 14453937)
Did this get asked on PV ? I never go there, but I'd be interested in how BB squirms out of answering.

He will just say he put a call into MCO and will report back when he hears anything.

But I wouldn't hold your breath.

We are all still waiting to hear about the mandatory WBI screening at ELP.

jbdk Aug 10, 2010 9:13 am


Originally Posted by GalleyWench (Post 14445439)
I've heard from some co-workers that this has been an issue in MCO for a while. They're only getting 1 from me, if they want to deny me access to the secure side then I'll just call scheduling and tell them I can't take the trip since I can't get through.

Simple solution.. do not produce a second ID at MCO. If everybody did this, it will screw them up. With around 40,000 departing passengers a day, it will bring the security screening to a complete halt. Of course, make sure you allow plenty of time...

Boggie Dog Aug 10, 2010 9:18 am


Originally Posted by PhoenixRev (Post 14454553)
He will just say he put a call into MCO and will report back when he hears anything.

But I wouldn't hold your breath.

We are all still waiting to hear about the mandatory WBI screening at ELP.

BB doesn't seem to have the cojones to address news stories that reflect negatively on TSA.

Forced WBI screening reported at ESP has not been addressed yet plus other recent reports of TSA civil rights abuses.

I suggest when TSA goes silent on reports of abuse then "guilty as charged" is the appropriate response.

Wally Bird Aug 10, 2010 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by jbdk (Post 14454736)
Simple solution.. do not produce a second ID at MCO. If everybody did this, it will screw them up.

The reality, as demonstrated by this incident, is that there is absolutely no chance of everybody doing anything to challenge the TSA. The huge majority will do whatever the TSA wants, no doubt chanting the "if it makes us safer" mantra all the while.

BOHICA

König Aug 10, 2010 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 14456173)
The reality, as demonstrated by this incident, is that there is absolutely no chance of everybody doing anything to challenge the TSA. The huge majority will do whatever the TSA wants, no doubt chanting the "if it makes us safer" mantra all the while.

Foreigners make up a big chunk of flying public in the USA, and I bet they are not willing (quite understandably) to engage in this type of protest. I, for one, would not be ready to experiment with security requirements in a foreign country that I am not overly familiar with - no matter how ridiculous they are. So, far the most ridiculous ones I have ever encountered were in my own country - the USA :)

neko Aug 10, 2010 1:40 pm

I find this story a little confusing. What were people using as a second ID?

I don't think most people have two forms of ID; most folks just have a driver's license (or state ID). Some people might have a passport or passport card, but lots of folks don't have one or don't carry it unless they are traveling internationally. Military personnel would have military ID, but that's a pretty small minority.

International visitors to the US would be carrying a passport, of course, but any other ID they'd be carrying would presumably be from their home country. In most cases that wouldn't be in English and might not even include any text that could even be compared to the name on an English language boarding pass (a Japanese or Russian ID, for example).

Flaflyer Aug 10, 2010 2:07 pm

Costco is losing its clout
 

Originally Posted by neko (Post 14456704)
In most cases that wouldn't be in English and might not even include any text that could even be compared to the name on an English language boarding pass (a Japanese or Russian ID, for example).

Since TSA seems to accept American Costco cards as ID, why not a Japanese Sams Club type card? :D

My local supervisor of elections must be following the TSA ID goings on. In the sample ballot for the upcoming primary it says "Buyers Club cards. . . are no longer valid forms of identification for voting."

iluv2fly Aug 10, 2010 2:43 pm

This actually happened to me at LGA this year.

I showed Brainiac my Illinois DL. Now this license is almost eight years old (sticker renewal) and is very worn. I have had absolutely no problems at any other airports using it (save a few comments on how old or worn it looks).
Brainiac uses his super-secret blue light on it and then asks me for additional ID. I refuse. He can't believe that I don't have any other ID. So he writes something on my BP and lets me go.

Now at LGA, you are required to show your boarding pass to enter the gate from hell (as has been reported here many times). No other airport requires that, but I guess to be super safe, they want to make sure that nothing fishy happend in the 50 feet from the first ID checker and the mag.

Thankfully, I prinited out another BP from the kiosk and flashed that to the gatekeeper. He let me go though.

Now the person in front of me at the initial check was also asked the same thing/ He actually showed the droid another ID. He also had something written on his boarding pass. As I was gathering up my belongings, I saw that he was pulled over and made to go through a secondary.

Glad I had the second boarding pass. And so glad that the second droid really looked carefully at the BP. Couldn't even take the time to see that it wasn't initialed bythe first one.

Damn, I feel safer just typing this out.

goalie Aug 10, 2010 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by iluv2fly (Post 14457135)
This actually happened to me at LGA this year.

I showed Brainiac my Illinois DL. Now this license is almost eight years old (sticker renewal) and is very worn. I have had absolutely no problems at any other airports using it (save a few comments on how old or worn it looks).
Brainiac uses his super-secret blue light on it and then asks me for additional ID. I refuse. He can't believe that I don't have any other ID. So he writes something on my BP and lets me go.

Now at LGA, you are required to show your boarding pass to enter the gate from hell (as has been reported here many times). No other airport requires that, but I guess to be super safe, they want to make sure that nothing fishy happend in the 50 feet from the first ID checker and the mag.

Thankfully, I prinited out another BP from the kiosk and flashed that to the gatekeeper. He let me go though.

Now the person in front of me at the initial check was also asked the same thing/ He actually showed the droid another ID. He also had something written on his boarding pass. As I was gathering up my belongings, I saw that he was pulled over and made to go through a secondary.

Glad I had the second boarding pass. And so glad that the second droid really looked carefully at the BP. Couldn't even take the time to see that it wasn't initialed bythe first one.

Damn, I feel safer just typing this out.

i'm also in the camp of of having two bp's.....my bp from olci and my "hard copy" bp from one of the chickens and i don't shred my olci bp into little pieces until i'm thru security. any yes, i've had the uber-secret scribble on my olci bp as well and like my esteemed colleague, i feel so much safer after after presenting "my other bp"

ssb2045 Aug 10, 2010 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by fishintheobx (Post 14450782)
It's about as effective as the fake ID I had 20 years ago I used to buy booze with. Had the watermarks, holograms, and all... They can save their (MY) money on the jewelers glasses and cute flashlights, the technology passed them before they ever caught on.

At risk of being arrested by the homeland security thugs, I'll confess that I've boarded a flight with a fake ID (as a 19-yo college kid). 6 AM flight after the last night of exams, I go to grab my ID out of my wallet and the fake one is still on top of the real one from the bar the night before. I didn't even realize it until he handed me my ID back and said "Have a nice flight." Gulp. Fortunately, the name on my fake matched my own real name, and so all was well.

FliesWay2Much Aug 10, 2010 5:40 pm


Originally Posted by ssb2045 (Post 14457607)
At risk of being arrested by the homeland security thugs, I'll confess that I've boarded a flight with a fake ID (as a 19-yo college kid). 6 AM flight after the last night of exams, I go to grab my ID out of my wallet and the fake one is still on top of the real one from the bar the night before. I didn't even realize it until he handed me my ID back and said "Have a nice flight." Gulp. Fortunately, the name on my fake matched my own real name, and so all was well.

...and you didn't take control of your plane and crash it into a building??? I know -- you're part of a sleeper cell testing the system. You can't fool us!

exbayern Aug 10, 2010 6:42 pm

There is a thread on the UA forum about the inane TSA at MCO and in particular the 'expert' line which is populated and staffed by anything but experts.

I have been using JAX whenever possible to avoid MCO, depending on my final destination.

n4zhg Aug 10, 2010 7:47 pm


Originally Posted by jackonferry (Post 14453808)
Canned, yes. Caned, I dunno. :D

We can all form a regimental square and flog him around the flagpole.

reamworks Aug 10, 2010 7:49 pm

Two _photo_ IDs? Because when I'm traveling domestic, I only have one.


At risk of being arrested by the homeland security thugs, I'll confess that I've boarded a flight with a fake ID (as a 19-yo college kid)
Years and years and years ago, I have flown on other people's tickets, making sure I had some sort of ID with that other person's name on it just in case someone checked.


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