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safetymom Aug 9, 2010 4:35 pm

Moved to Travel Safety/Security

Spiff Aug 9, 2010 4:39 pm


Originally Posted by RNE (Post 14445492)
I am not trying to defend the TSA, mind you, but it has long been their practice to alter/add additional security without announcing/publicizing it. This can be bothersome, true, but one doesn't want bad guys to be too sure what will be expected of them as they try to pass through Security. As the OP notes, you can still get through Security without having a second ID, you'll simply come under additional scrutiny. Again, let me reiterate, I am not advocating such measures nor suggesting they are effective; I'm merely pointing out that they are nothing new.

The TSA ARE the bad guys for harassing the traveling public. No one should ever have to show even 1 ID, let alone another.

OP: File a complaint at 1-866-289-9673. Also write your elected representatives. If the MCO FSD mandated this, then he/she is a real scumbag who should be caned and terminated.


Originally Posted by AggieNzona (Post 14449329)
The TSA is correct and wise to start mixing things up instead of having a 100% set way of doing things, Not great for the travelers but much better for security. I really like the face to face random interviews being done past security. A static, everytime and place the same is dangerious policy.

No one should ever have to answer questions to travel without additional harassment. The TSA employee who attempts to force people to answer questions in such a manner can go to hell. :mad:

I have a "static answer" for such "random interviews" too. ;) (Refer to Tommy DeVito's comments to Officer Bing in Goodfellas)

InkUnderNails Aug 9, 2010 4:56 pm

I have both a NEXUS and a DL. But at BNA on Sunday, the TDC would not take my NEXUS and the supervisor came over and said the NEXUS was no longer accepted according to an email he saw. He asked for DL and I cleared TDC with the DL. Before I could get through the rest of screening, the supervisor found me and apologized for not accepting the NEXUS. He took the opportunity to look up current info and looked me up to tell me that the NEXUS is indeed okay and that he was sorry that he made the mistake. Despite the initial error, we need more good guys like this.

However, at the initial contact, I only had one good ID even though I carry two. If some checkers will not take the NEXUS, then I still need three.

N965VJ Aug 9, 2010 6:00 pm


Originally Posted by GalleyWench (Post 14445439)
They're only getting 1 from me, if they want to deny me access to the secure side then I'll just call scheduling and tell them I can't take the trip since I can't get through.

Good for you! ;)^



Originally Posted by AggieNzona (Post 14449329)
The TSA is correct and wise to start mixing things up instead of having a 100% set way of doing things, Not great for the travelers but much better for security.

The ID checks are nothing but revenue protection for the airlines. How do they increase security?


Originally Posted by AggieNzona (Post 14449329)
I really like the face to face random interviews being done past security.

Nobody needs to speak to a TSO.

Wally Bird Aug 9, 2010 9:02 pm

Guys, it's really not sporting to rip new ones of people who didn't intend to venture into TS&S in the first place. Even if they do so deserve one.

Here, only the strong survive :D .

Wome Aug 9, 2010 9:14 pm

That feels like being in Australia where you have to bring a passport, a credit or debit card with your name, a bank statement with your address to make people give you a stupid driver's licence...

But I've never been asked for 2nd ID at immigration, that's really weird.

And - I can't stand the puzzling questions in the US...I had been there twice withing 2 months because I had a project and got into trouble because they wouldn't believe that the project was STILL running...morons...

Wally Bird Aug 9, 2010 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by Wome (Post 14452340)
But I've never been asked for 2nd ID at immigration, that's really weird.

The TSA's document checkers aren't immigration. They are part of, err... of, umm... of ...
someone help me out here :confused: .

Spiff Aug 9, 2010 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 14452463)
The TSA's document checkers aren't immigration. They are part of, err... of, umm... of ...
someone help me out here :confused: .

Workfare.

PhoenixRev Aug 9, 2010 10:04 pm


Originally Posted by Wome (Post 14452340)
But I've never been asked for 2nd ID at immigration, that's really weird.

Not a lot of difference between that and the NEXUS card.

I can tap a sensor at the U.S./Canada border and be on my way, spend a week or so in Canada, drive back to the border and tap my card again on the sensor and continue on back home.

But if I want to get on a commercial airliner, I now may have to show two IDs to some TSO sitting at a rickety podium with a Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Flashlight.

Amazing.

Absolutely amazing.

Flahusky Aug 10, 2010 2:38 am


Originally Posted by Wome (Post 14452340)
That feels like being in Australia where you have to bring a passport, a credit or debit card with your name, a bank statement with your address to make people give you a stupid driver's licence...

But I've never been asked for 2nd ID at immigration, that's really weird.

And - I can't stand the puzzling questions in the US...I had been there twice withing 2 months because I had a project and got into trouble because they wouldn't believe that the project was STILL running...morons...

Off topic somewhat:
To obtain a 'Real ID Act' approved Fla Drivers license you need the following;
A.) One original or certified copy of the following documents:
# Certified United States birth certificate, including territories and District of Columbia
# Valid United States Passport or Passport Card
# Consular Report of Birth Abroad
# Certificate of Naturalization, Form N-550 or Form N-570
# Certificate of Citizenship, Form N-560 or Form N-561
B.) One original Proof of Social Security Number:
# Social Security card
must be an original in your current full name
# W-2 form
# Pay check/stub
C.) 2 Proofs of Residential Address:
Basically any type of bill or gov't mail sent to you @ the address on your license.
in lieu of that they will take proof of residential address from applicant's parent, step-parent, legal guardian or other person with whom the applicant resides, along with A statement from a parent, step-parent, legal guardian or other person with whom the applicant resides, combined with two proofs of their residential address (see above)

** Now if you have had a name change OR address change for any reason be prepared to document EACH AND EVERY ONE.
>> Please note, they WILL NOT accept your old(pre-real ID) ID or DL as any type of identification <<

The firestorm behind the Real ID Act is much worse then any TSA act.
As it should be, after all the DHS created it :P

VH-RMD Aug 10, 2010 3:38 am


Originally Posted by PhoenixRev (Post 14452552)
Not a lot of difference between that and the NEXUS card.

I can tap a sensor at the U.S./Canada border and be on my way, spend a week or so in Canada, drive back to the border and tap my card again on the sensor and continue on back home.

But if I want to get on a commercial airliner, I now may have to show two IDs to some TSO sitting at a rickety podium with a Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Flashlight.

Amazing.

Absolutely amazing.

well obviously the terrorists don't want to go to Canada...:rolleyes:

moeve Aug 10, 2010 5:01 am

Ehmmm excuse me but the US does NOT considered anything other than a passport legal ID from a visitor... HUH - DL sorry but mine is NOT considered legal ID over there so I am not providing it. Go talk to Hillary and her dept because that is exactly what they tell guests

BubbaLoop Aug 10, 2010 5:22 am

Two IDs for a foreigner is an interesting test of force. I wonder what they would do if you handed in some kind of document they could not identify. I own a pool card in Russian (with a picture!) which would be kind of interesting to try on these guys. Not even my name is understandable if you donīt read the Russian alphabet. I bet an Arabic-language card would gather even more interest...

jackonferry Aug 10, 2010 6:24 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 14450926)
If the MCO FSD mandated this, then he/she is a real scumbag who should be caned and terminated.

Canned, yes. Caned, I dunno. :D

Rambuster Aug 10, 2010 6:33 am


Originally Posted by jackonferry (Post 14453808)
Canned, yes. Caned, I dunno. :D

Caned sounds right ! :D


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