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AJC Op Ed: TSA Clearance a Cloudy Process
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TSA should compensate him for the 8 months of lost wages due to their stupidity. :td:
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Originally Posted by Superguy
(Post 14392270)
TSA should compensate him for the 8 months of lost wages due to their stupidity. :td:
If these people had to put their personal resources on the line when making decisions I bet they would take more care. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 14392350)
If there is no valid reason for suspension then not only should lost wages be paid but also some amount for the abuse handed out by TSA.
If these people had to put their personal resources on the line when making decisions I bet they would take more care. |
Despicable actions by despicable people at a despicable agency.
SHUT IT DOWN!! |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 14392350)
If these people had to put their personal resources on the line when making decisions I bet they would take more care.
Don't get me wrong ... from what the original article says, it sounds like this fellow is entitled to a boatload of compensation. I'm just not sure that individual accountability is necessarily the way to fix this ... |
Since the letter from TSA gives no reason for the agency’s initial decision to revoke Adnan’s security clearance or for the reversal of this decision, Adnan remains confounded as to why TSA suspended the security clearance. But the injustice faced by Adnan has not been erased. For a Muslim-American Delta worker and a refugee from systematic injustices abroad, due process of law, a fundamental tenet of the American justice system, was denied. |
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 14393078)
Be careful; this type of argument can be used both ways. There are some who would argue that "these people" should be held personally accountable when someone who shouldn't have a security clearance gets one, and later causes a legitimate problem because of that clearance. So, "out of an abundance of caution" (cough), lots of people would be denied clearances who aren't a threat.
Don't get me wrong ... from what the original article says, it sounds like this fellow is entitled to a boatload of compensation. I'm just not sure that individual accountability is necessarily the way to fix this ... If people were held accountable for their actions then I think a bit more care would be used before making decisions that adversely impact others. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 14393613)
I really don't follow your logic.
If people were held accountable for their actions then I think a bit more care would be used before making decisions that adversely impact others. Suppose every worker at airport FOX is undergoing a security check, and I'm the person who has to decide whether that worker gets to keep their security clearance. I'm told that if I make a wrong decision, I'll be "held accountable". I can screw up two different ways:
So, now here's an application on my desk. It's a borderline case. What do I do? If I improperly renew the clearance, I'll be condemned like the shmucks who gave the Underwear Bomber his visas, even though lots of people seemed to know he was a risk to aviation. If I improperly deny the clearance, I'll be condemned like the shmucks who made this guy's life so difficult for eight months. All I'm saying is that one can make errors in both directions. That's not an excuse for not getting it right, of course. But how do you chart the middle course? |
The key part of your argument is
"It's a borderline case" We have no such information. |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 14394596)
The key part of your argument is
"It's a borderline case" We have no such information. But I'm probably trying to make too subtle a point ... |
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 14393078)
Be careful; this type of argument can be used both ways. There are some who would argue that "these people" should be held personally accountable when someone who shouldn't have a security clearance gets one, and later causes a legitimate problem because of that clearance. So, "out of an abundance of caution" (cough), lots of people would be denied clearances who aren't a threat.
Don't get me wrong ... from what the original article says, it sounds like this fellow is entitled to a boatload of compensation. I'm just not sure that individual accountability is necessarily the way to fix this ... I'm not saying the people responsible need to pay the victim compensation - that would bring government to a halt. What I am saying is that federal employees ought to experience some kind of consequences when they F up. |
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 14394685)
Well, we're talking about a theoretical problem here
But in your theoretical example, I would suggest that if it was "borderline" maybe an interview with the person would be in order? |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 14394704)
I'm not saying the people responsible need to pay the victim compensation - that would bring government to a halt. What I am saying is that federal employees ought to experience some kind of consequences when they F up.
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 14394722)
Unfortunately we are not talking about a theoretical problem here.
But in your theoretical example, I would suggest that if it was "borderline" maybe an interview with the person would be in order? |
or perhaps there should be systems of procedural fairness and natural justice so that when decisions like this are made, there is an independent path of review available.
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