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doober May 23, 2010 10:04 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14008279)
Would seem to me that if TSA is going to confiscate a known "Medical" product that they would at least contact the company.

You live in a dream world, BD. No disrespect intended.

Boggie Dog May 23, 2010 10:12 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 14008288)
You live in a dream world, BD. No disrespect intended.

Perhaps, regardless I will still try to build evidence that TSA is being dishonest with the information provided to people with medical needs.

I think TSA is living in a dream world and I would like to help with giving them a touch of reality.

doober May 23, 2010 10:15 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14008314)
Perhaps, regardless I will still try to build evidence that TSA is being dishonest with the information provided to people with medical needs.

I think TSA is living in a dream world and I would like to help with giving them a touch of reality.

I applaud you for that.

slidergirl May 23, 2010 10:29 am

I had heard about the Clear Care issue in past threads. I've always used CC and separate saline solution due to a sensitivity issue, with the recommendation of my ophthalmologist and optometrist. Just returned from a 3 week trip to Europe (Spain, Italy, France). I had a restriction on how much luggage I could take (a bag that I could carry myself w/o wheels) since lots of train travel and stairs were going to be encountered. So, I just had carryon luggage and gave up my CC space for some other items that I needed . Since I knew it would be a good chance that my CC would be "voluntarily surrendered" at a checkpoint, I chose to go without and see what I could find on my trip. I never found CC, but I always found the OptiFree multi-purpose solution. I used it for my trip and ended up with a really irritated and constantly red eye. It took a week after I got back, using my CC again, for it to clear up.
Thanks, TSA. I tried to play nice, but it didn't work. Next time, I'll roll the dice and bring my CC with me.

Boggie Dog May 23, 2010 10:39 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 14008326)
I applaud you for that.

Maybe I am going about this all wrong.

We know what the TSA has published on their web site.

We know that PV has said medical type LGA's can exceed 100ml.

We know that some believed to be TSA employees have stated that we are not being told the whole truth and that certain contact lens products are prohibited.

I'm trying to tie the lose ends together and find out the real truth about medically exempted items then I will start a letter effort to the Congressional committees responsible for TSA oversight asking why TSA provides incorrect/incomplete information to the public.

With a little good luck I might get a news organization to pick up on the story.

TSA's falling back on SSI for everything is BS. The public has an absolute right to know if a commercial product they have purchased will be prohibited from the so-called sterile area of airports.

exbayern May 23, 2010 11:18 am


Originally Posted by slidergirl (Post 14008389)
I never found CC, but I always found the OptiFree multi-purpose solution. I used it for my trip and ended up with a really irritated and constantly red eye. It took a week after I got back, using my CC again, for it to clear up.

And believe it or not, that is often the case with trying to find 'ordinary' solution, even if one is willing to try various brands. Try purchasing contact lens solution midday to early afternoon in a small Bavarian town some time. Not every country is like America with 24 hour shopping and access to such a wide variety of products.

I try and plan ahead as best as I can but with my travel patterns and schedule that is not always possible.

slidergirl May 23, 2010 11:58 am


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 14008581)
And believe it or not, that is often the case with trying to find 'ordinary' solution, even if one is willing to try various brands. Try purchasing contact lens solution midday to early afternoon in a small Bavarian town some time. Not every country is like America with 24 hour shopping and access to such a wide variety of products.

I try and plan ahead as best as I can but with my travel patterns and schedule that is not always possible.

I do understand that the US has the 24 hr shopping, etc. And, I've been in some lovely small Bavarian towns (Konigsee is a favorite), and small Italians villages to know that I'm not going to have the immediate access to some items. That's why I try to travel with all my necessities. I took a chance this one time, since I knew I'd be going through large cities on my way to my little villages. But, I gambled and lost.

exbayern May 23, 2010 4:22 pm

My comment was in agreement with you :) as some posters don't seem to be thinking outside their own environment or situations. Thank goodness for Salzburg and shops which are open on Sundays and holidays!

But it really does illustrate that sometimes the 'solution' to the problem posted here is not quite so simple as some would suggest. Even with the world of shopping at MUC I cannot think off the top of my head if one can purchase contact lens solution on a Sunday or holiday landside. (And yes, the shops are open Sundays there)

ORDofcr May 24, 2010 1:00 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 14008156)
bolding mine: so you can tell simply by looking at the bottle? :confused: if that be the case, why bother with the swab test?

what about this scenario:

you: <based on what you said above> your contact lens solution is not permitted as it will alarm.
pax: i've carried this same brand for years and never had a problem
you: it will alarm and you can't take it
pax: ok, test it and let's see what happens*
you: <you test it and it does not alarm>

don't you have to test it if asked? from what you're saying above, it is within your "authority" to make the pre-determination (n.b. pre) and not test it

no disrespect meant or intended :) but unless you've got a b.a. in chemistry, i can't see your expertise in this matter "passing the test"

My apologies, I should not have said "I've been doing this ling enough to know what is good and what is not." I wish to retract that statement. I should have said "I have been doing this long enough to know which item/s will alarm the Liquid Screening, and therefore are not permitted into the sterile area of the airport."

When I do encounter such an item, I let the passenger know that the certain item is not allowed because it will alarm the testing devices. And I will test it if they wish, but if it alarms they will be subject to a pat down and full bag search. I'm just trying to save us all a bit of time.(I don't really want to give you SSSS screening and I know for sure that you don't want to have to get it.)

If I am asked to test it, I have no problem doing so. Again though, if we get an alarm additional screening will be REQUIRED.

Boggie Dog May 24, 2010 5:05 am


Originally Posted by ORDofcr (Post 14011730)
My apologies, I should not have said "I've been doing this ling enough to know what is good and what is not." I wish to retract that statement. I should have said "I have been doing this long enough to know which item/s will alarm the Liquid Screening, and therefore are not permitted into the sterile area of the airport."

When I do encounter such an item, I let the passenger know that the certain item is not allowed because it will alarm the testing devices. And I will test it if they wish, but if it alarms they will be subject to a pat down and full bag search. I'm just trying to save us all a bit of time.(I don't really want to give you SSSS screening and I know for sure that you don't want to have to get it.)

If I am asked to test it, I have no problem doing so. Again though, if we get an alarm additional screening will be REQUIRED.

Is this the only test these items will get or will other types of test be used to try clearing the item?

If a person has "Clear Care" brand contact lens solution will it alarm and not be cleared?

RichardKenner May 24, 2010 8:41 am


Originally Posted by ORDofcr (Post 14011730)
the certain item is not allowed because it will alarm the testing devices.

Here's the problem: the TSA web site says that medically necessary liquids are permitted unless they're an item on the prohibited item list. It says nothing about whether they "pass" a test (they do mention that they will be tested).

People need to know in advance what items they are permitted to bring with them on a trip (note that no airline permits putting medically-necessary items in checked baggage, so that's not an option here). You can't say "you can't bring it if it fails a test" and also "we're not going to tell you what we test for or how you can know if your item will pass it or fail it".

goalie May 24, 2010 8:59 am


Originally Posted by ORDofcr (Post 14011730)
My apologies, I should not have said "I've been doing this ling enough to know what is good and what is not." I wish to retract that statement. I should have said "I have been doing this long enough to know which item/s will alarm the Liquid Screening, and therefore are not permitted into the sterile area of the airport."

When I do encounter such an item, I let the passenger know that the certain item is not allowed because it will alarm the testing devices. And I will test it if they wish, but if it alarms they will be subject to a pat down and full bag search. I'm just trying to save us all a bit of time.(I don't really want to give you SSSS screening and I know for sure that you don't want to have to get it.)

If I am asked to test it, I have no problem doing so. Again though, if we get an alarm additional screening will be REQUIRED.

retraction accepted ;) with no worries :) and i understand that if the item "flunks", it's a no-got but my original question still stands.....

you: <based on what you said above> your contact lens solution is not permitted as it will alarm.
pax: i've carried this same brand for years and never had a problem
you: it will alarm and you can't take it
pax: ok, test it and let's see what happens
you: <you test it and it does not alarm>

now what happens.....;)

ORDofcr May 24, 2010 10:20 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 14013073)
retraction accepted ;) with no worries :) and i understand that if the item "flunks", it's a no-got but my original question still stands.....

you: <based on what you said above> your contact lens solution is not permitted as it will alarm.
pax: i've carried this same brand for years and never had a problem
you: it will alarm and you can't take it
pax: ok, test it and let's see what happens
you: <you test it and it does not alarm>

now what happens.....;)

I have personally never ran into that situation. So couldn't tell you exactly "what now". I would probably go to my SUPERvisor and inform him/her that the item in question is a consistent problem with alarming testing although this time it did not alarm. And let him or her decide what to do next. But, like I said I have never had one that I knew was going to alarm not alarm.

doober May 24, 2010 10:38 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14012193)
Is this the only test these items will get or will other types of test be used to try clearing the item?

If a person has "Clear Care" brand contact lens solution will it alarm and not be cleared?

He's not going to answer that because it's SSI. :rolleyes:

I imagine that if a liquid tests positive for hydrogen peroxide, it's a no-go because TSA isn't going to bother to take the time (or purchase the equipment) to determine the percentage of H2O2 in the solution. A 3% solution isn't a danger to anything, but TSA doesn't care about that.

Boggie Dog May 24, 2010 10:56 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 14013707)
He's not going to answer that because it's SSI. :rolleyes:

I imagine that if a liquid tests positive for hydrogen peroxide, it's a no-go because TSA isn't going to bother to take the time (or purchase the equipment) to determine the percentage of H2O2 in the solution. A 3% solution isn't a danger to anything, but TSA doesn't care about that.

I have no way of knowing if the question or answer is SSI.

To my simple mind if TSA knows Brand X will alarm and not be permitted then they should tell us. They don't have to tell us what the component in the product is just that that item will not be allowed entry to the Sterile area.

Still waiting for the maker of Clear Care to get back to me. I wonder if they know TSA "might" have an issue with their product?


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