Do you know the difference between pragmatism and antagonism?

Clearly I do. Does it affect you, regardless of what it is? Try adopting my advice above - or ignore it and move on. Two perfectly good suggestions that you may want to try.

Can you point to where it is so "clear?" Thanks.


Yes, it affects me, but that is not the point.

It affects the ability of everyone else to read this forum in a civilized manner. Being antagonistic in the guise of sharing similar viewpoints about the TSA does nothing but get other people riled up, and I have a feeling that you know that.


Why don't you try your own advice when you read a post you might disagree with, or shake your head to....you know, like you just said....ignore it and move on? By your own admission, it's a perfectly good suggestion.

"Land of the fee and the home of the slave."

Just to put it in line with our national anthem...

Speaking of fees and slaves, who else got their Final Fantasy SS (Social Security) statement? I find it highly amusing, considering I'll never see a dime.

Enough Already happened a long time ago. And it did nothing to change the traveling public's willingness to grab their ankles. Every time we have one of these threads about "the public's finally pissed off and the TSA will be forced to change," I just shake my head at what we've become. It will change. It will get worse.

Mike

Bolding mine

Sadly, that might be very true.:(

I remember the very frequent hijackings of the 60's and what it ultimately took to put a stop to them. We must have changed as a people and not in a good way.:(

You appear to have a sufficient grasp of the English language to identify that for yourself. Don't be lazy.

So you speak for everyone else now, even putting your own opinion to one side? What a load of nonsense. I have written hundreds of posts on this particular board and I have done nothing but offer a point of view that challenges the blinkered stereotypes that are far too prevalent here, offer advice to questions asked, and shared experiences. Newsflash: that is the purpose of this board.

If that gets you so riled up because it disagrees with your perspective (sorry - everyone else's perspective :rolleyes:) then that really is your issue. People aren't always going to agree with you.

Again, you're missing the whole purpose of this board. It exists to have the constructive debates which have been the subject of the vast majority of my posts. If you want it to be a back-slapping TSA-hate-fest with no challenging points of view interjected, sorry :)

There is a huge difference between offering a challenging point of view, and whining about the fact that I've posted something. If you feel I am writing anything that is in violation of the terms of this board there is a perfectly workable process to deal with that. ^

"I won't see a dime"

They should allow people who are that young to opt out of those statements. If they believe this, they shouldn't be forced to get the statement.

If history is any measure (think civil rights) we've got a long drawn out period ahead of us.:td:

Thanks for putting it so well! ^

I think the suggestion of stopping the security circus and instead placing at least two well-trained air marshalls on board of every aircraft is very good. I suppose it would cost less and be more effective. It might also create more jobs. In any case, it would be less intrusive. Also it would be a good idea to increase specific intelligence effort and then actually COMMUNICATE the intel gathered effectively. This would be much better then just scaring an entire population into accepting the forfeit of their rights.

Till

Early January - before the FBS equipment was announced as being in service - a TSO directed me to be scanned at the RIC checkpoint on a domestic flight to PBI. The TSO didn't tell me the capabilities of the equipment to be used nor did I know, but I suspected it was a FBS machine. I had heard the introduction of FBS capability was imminent, but I had never seen the equipment nor did I expect it would be operated at RIC. I believe the FBS scan to be an intrusive search and a violation of my Fourth Amendment rights so, I refused. I feel the government has no right and I have no obligation to strip – virtually of in reality – in order to take advantage of public transport, a concept which is absurd in the extreme.

I regret my decision. The full body search I was subjected to was humiliating and intrusive to the extent I will not describe it here on the forum. In my opinion, the TSA's search of my person was intended to be humiliating as a punitive response to my refusal to be scanned. In future, I'll endure the FBS in order to avoid the much greater intrusion and humiliation of the full body search.

We've lost our way here in the US. The vast majority of Americans have surrendered civil liberties to a misguided and paranoid government. The problems we face are much greater than the activities of the TSA in our airports. The fight we need should not be waged nor can it be won in airport passenger terminals.

We must however, either regain control of this government or replace it.

I doubt the government is more paranoid than the voters who still think the Patriot Act was a wise decision.

You hit the nail on the head and the conclusion at which you arrived is exactly the same as Deirdre Walker's. DW

It is my belief that, because the pat down is designed to make you change your behavior, i.e., use VSS (Virtual Strip Search) it then constitutes sexual assault. Don't anybody bother to reply that travelers give "implied consent"; consent might be implied but it is definitely not "informed consent." We do not give consent to be humiliated.

I wish someone who goes through such a humiliating procedure would file assault charges against the screener involved and let the courts take it from there.

Enough already was 5 years ago.

It's an election year, and a lot of people are in danger of losing their seats. I think a massive letter writing campaign at incumbents AND their challengers (Regardless of party) could help.

Another thing is local media. They pay attention from their viewers (seriously they do) They pay even more attention if you are the key demo.