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Originally Posted by Big Mo (Post 13714261)

That's insane.

That pretty much sums it up. ^

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Originally Posted by PoliceStateSurvivor (Post 13714369)

Not only the government, but also any individual or business. TSORon has obviously never heard of a right to due process in civil cases.

And I would say that the worth of that right far exceeds twenty dollars, even if you value it in gold (one ounce) at current FRN rates.

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Originally Posted by makfan (Post 13714482)

Please advise me of those many methods of getting to a US destination like HNL that don't involve the No Fly List and don't take weeks.

Irrelevant, so far as TSORon is concerned. He could care less if you had to go by dugout canoe, as long as it was possible.

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Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 13713820)

"No person shall be . . .deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Guess where that is from?

That quote is from my 4th grade social studies teacher ;)

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Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13701760)

Being on the No Fly List is not something covered by “due process”. Due process is specifically for criminal cases, and the NFL does not indicate that anyone on it is a criminal only that they are an unacceptable threat to commercial aviation. “Pretty much the same thing” is not close enough, there is a vast difference between an “unacceptable threat” and a criminal. And I get the feeling that you know that, but just cannot come to admit it.

Actually, due process applies to a variety of things that have nothing to do with criminal cases, as others have posted (and provided examples). Please just admit you are wrong; (have you ever done that)?

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Originally Posted by Critic (Post 13701276)

Has anyone tried challenging the NFL in court on a constitutional basis? Since having your name on the NFL is tantamount to a conviction on one count of 'potential to maybe sort of one day have something to do with terrorism', isn't that a 6th Amendment violation?

Yes, and the TSA swept it under the rug by mooting the issue by neither confirming he was removed from the no fly list nor saying that the restrictions applied to him; they just said that we will no longer prohibit him from doing "X" so the case is moot which it was. Look here: http://news.justia.com/cases/feature...cv01554/73175/

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Originally Posted by Pluma (Post 13703351)

Isn't the TSA touting that WBI will be able to spot anything bad being brought on an airplane? So we go back to an age old question, what difference does it make who flies, as long as we know they have brought nothing bad onto the plane.

Think layers. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by makfan (Post 13714482)

Please advise me of those many methods of getting to a US destination like HNL that don't involve the No Fly List and don't take weeks.

Boat. @:-)

What about your right to confront your accusers