But now that TSA is deploying all those WBI, the no fly list should go away.
Isn't the TSA touting that WBI will be able to spot anything bad being brought on an airplane? So we go back to an age old question, what difference does it make who flies, as long as we know they have brought nothing bad onto the plane.

It's going to get even worse.

There are proposals to ban anyone on the NFL from buying or owning a gun.

Watch the feces hit the air impeller if/when that happens.

On the other hand ... that might actually be productive.

IANAL, but "I can't sell you this firearm, and I'm not allowed to tell you why" sounds like a clear violation of the US Constitution's Second and Fifth Amendments. The only way I could see this passing constitutional muster is if placement on the NFL could be challenged in court --- which would be a substantial improvement on the current state of law.

I doubt it would pass muster with the current SCOTUS considering their ruling in the DC gun case and the way things look for the Chicago gun case.

Oh, don't worry. They'll keep all the "traditional" security, as well. Didn't ya know? It's all about layers.

Mike

Ron - show me where, in my original query about challenging the NFL on constitutional grounds, I even invoked the TSA name, let alone 'blam[ed] the TSA for this'.

[Citation Needed]. Please point to me what clause of the Constitution, or amendment thereto, allows the government to maintain the NFL. Show your work.

Since I feel like playing your game for some reason, a person's right to travel on commercial aircraft (from the government's perspective) is subsumed under Natural Law, and is reflected in the 9th Amendment to the Constitution.

Your (TSA) managers have brainwashed you into believe DHS/TSA is not responsible for NFL problems. They have tried to do the same things to the airlines and the American people. None of that changes the fact that DHS/TSA forced the airlines to check passenger names against the list, DHS/TSA has officially taken over the matching process with Secure Flight, DHS/TSA is the one that threatens to fine the airline and airline agent if they go ahead and issue a BP to a paying customer that happens to match the NFL, and DHS/TSA is the agency that runs an inneffective/useless "redress" program that does nothing to help most victims.

What about his fifth amendment rights? No one is to be deprived of liberty without due process. Not letting him fly is depriving him of a liberty.

Do you honestly believe that the government should be able to arbitrarily deny a US citizen the ability to fly on a commercial aircraft, without any explanation, evidence, or redress process? Just because they say so?

Do have any idea how prone such a system is to abuse for both personal and political vendettas? Do you have any idea how error prone such a system is?

Based on this, would you like to reconsider how the TSA and its employees are involved with the lists. Here is part of the article:

This is a subset of "the government-wide terror watch list. This is a list of about 418,000 people, maintained by the FBI."

Oh, boy. He's back.

Care to place a little bet on that? Same deal: if you're right, I'll leave FT forever. If you're wrong, you'll leave FT forever.

I'll even give you hint:

"No person shall be . . .deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Guess where that is from?

PTravel - I believe you have a check mate; Ron go ahead and tip over your king

"What is the Consitution/Bill of Rights, Alex"

Well, he hasn't strayed from the beliefs he stated in November:

Non-lawyers routinely make ridiculous statements of law on the Internet, but this is among the worst I've ever seen.

If this were true, the government could seize your property and even kill you without due process so long as there WASN'T a criminal case against you. That's insane.

Not only the government, but also any individual or business. TSORon has obviously never heard of a right to due process in civil cases.

Please advise me of those many methods of getting to a US destination like HNL that don't involve the No Fly List and don't take weeks.