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List of cases the TSA has blown with illegal behavior.
I have been commenting on Carlos Miller's site about Phil's arrest and the forced ID verification policy. It occurred to me that we need a list of all the cases that the TSA has blown due to illegal behavior.
I would like the list to stay with cases that have already been ruled on or settled. I would like us to make links to the rulings when at all possible. Fofana Ruling McCarty Ruling |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12864413)
I have been commenting on Carlos Miller's site about Phil's arrest and the forced ID verification policy. It occurred to me that we need a list of all the cases that the TSA has blown due to illegal behavior.
I would like the list to stay with cases that have already been ruled on or settled. I would like us to make links to the rulings when at all possible. Fofana Ruling McCarty Ruling |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 12864509)
It will be interesting to see what stance the government takes on appeal.
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Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 12864567)
Is the appeal a sure thing? In Fofana, they dropped the appeal (though they are trying to keep some other charges against him that they say don't require fruit of the posionous tree to prove-- I haven't checked how that one worked out, or if it has yet).
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12864413)
I have been commenting on Carlos Miller's site about Phil's arrest and the forced ID verification policy. It occurred to me that we need a list of all the cases that the TSA has blown due to illegal behavior.
I would like the list to stay with cases that have already been ruled on or settled. I would like us to make links to the rulings when at all possible. Fofana Ruling McCarty Ruling |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12864413)
I have been commenting on Carlos Miller's site about Phil's arrest and the forced ID verification policy. It occurred to me that we need a list of all the cases that the TSA has blown due to illegal behavior.
I would like the list to stay with cases that have already been ruled on or settled. I would like us to make links to the rulings when at all possible. Fofana Ruling McCarty Ruling And TSA didn't seem to want a trial on the merits. I would consider adding Beirfeldt to the list. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 12866031)
And TSA didn't seem to want a trial on the merits.
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Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 12866598)
There were no issues of material fact in dispute and no damages to be proven; why would there have been a trial?
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 12866031)
In Beirfeldt's case even though he was doing nothing illegal I suspect the way TSA conducted itself that had there been something illegal in the box that it would have been tainted.
And TSA didn't seem to want a trial on the merits. I would consider adding Beirfeldt to the list.
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 12865837)
Actually, I'm hoping they continue to overstep their authority on a regular basis and get hauled into court on a regular basis. We want our Constitution back one way or the other.
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Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 12866744)
re beirfeldt: the tsa did violate the law by improperly applying the bank secrecy act. banks can get into some very serious trouble for not only filing incorrectly but for erroneous filings and this applies to anyone who tries to use the bank secrecy act as the basis for their actions.
amen to that ^ The whole Bierfeldt deal was because someone at TSA HQ published a document classifying $10k+ cash as contraband. Some low level TSA employee not knowing any better tried doing what they were told to do even while it violated a travelers rights. TSA HQ should be held responsible for actions that exceed searching for WEI. That's what happens when you have want-a-be cops operating with poorly conceived management directives. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 12866869)
I really doubt that your average TSA employee know anything about the BSA.
The whole Bierfeldt deal was because someone at TSA HQ published a document classifying $10k+ cash as contraband. Some low level TSA employee not knowing any better tried doing what they were told to do even while it violated a travelers rights. TSA HQ should be held responsible for actions that exceed searching for WEI. That's what happens when you have want-a-be cops operating with poorly conceived management directives. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 12866697)
ACUL filed suit. Had no agreement (settlement) been reached would not a trial have happened?
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 12866697)
ACUL filed suit. Had no agreement (settlement) been reached would not a trial have happened?
a. Declare that the actions of Defendant’s agents described in this Complaint violated Plaintiff’s rights under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and exceeded her statutory authority; b. Permanently enjoin Defendant, her officers, agents, servants, employees, and all persons in active concert or participation with her who receive actual notice of the injunction, from authorizing or conducting suspicionless pre-flight searches of passengers or their belongings for items other than weapons and explosives; c. Award to Plaintiff his reasonable attorneys’ fees, costs, and expenses of litigation; and d. Order such other relief as the Court may deem just and proper. Had the ACLU asked for damages of some sort, there would have been a triable issue namely, how much should the award be. But in this case, the prayer for relief doesn't ask for anything that would require a trial. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 12865837)
Actually, I'm hoping they continue to overstep their authority on a regular basis and get hauled into court on a regular basis. We want our Constitution back one way or the other.
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What I was looking for in this thread was basically a laundry list that we could refer back to where the TSA has lost or caused a case to be lost due to them over stepping their bounds.
The Ron Paul guy's case would fit in here but I don't know where to get the legal docs. If you have a link to the docs post it here. |
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