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HSVTSO Dean Nov 4, 2009 6:07 am


Originally Posted by RadioGirl
Dean, does "NP" stand for "NOT permitted" or "NOW permitted" or "NON-Prohibited" or something else?

I can't believe I actually wrote "NP." I don't even remember having written it, but, sure enough, it's there.

Woah.

Anyway, the intent of it was "no problem."

And it happened last week sometime. Britney happened yesterday. It was put into place pre-Britney :P

jkhuggins Nov 4, 2009 6:13 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 12764657)
And it happened last week sometime. Britney happened yesterday. It was put into place pre-Britney :P

Not that you're responsible for this, of course ... but then why does the TSA website still say:


Originally Posted by http://www.tsa.gov/311/311-carry-ons.shtm
Frozen gels/liquids are permitted if required to cool medical and infant/child exemptions. Frozen gels/liquids for any other purpose are not permitted.

Huh?

Flaflyer Nov 4, 2009 6:27 am


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 12763122)
Make it really easy ... just get Korean Won.

Or, like the old joke says, "How do you become a millionaire? Go to Vietnam and exchange $56." For a couple hundred dollar investment, you can get a shoebox size pile of small denomination bills*. Enough to make a TSO think they found the Big Catch™, as most screeners probably could not find Vietnam on a map let alone know a dollar will buy you 17,860 dong. Don't tell them until after they count it. :D

*Not sure if it is authorized to take VND out of the country these days. It is amusing that places whose currency is worthless/non-convertable outside their border (like the old USSR ruble) have such strict prohibitions against exporting it. :eek: Is the cost of printing replacement bills going to bankrupt the country? Heck even China lets you take a few thousand RMB cash out of the country now without declaring it. ^

IslandBased Nov 4, 2009 6:28 am

I can see a partially frozen slippery slope in TSAs future. :D

Tom M. Nov 4, 2009 6:43 am


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 12764743)
I can see a partially frozen slippery slope in TSAs future. :D

If there really is a changed in procedure, it is unbelievable.

Now TSO's are going to be tasked to make a judgment call on how much ice has melted.

Yeah, that is a great use of their time and attention. Much better than looking for W.E.I...

:td:

BubbaLoop Nov 4, 2009 6:53 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 12764657)
And it happened last week sometime. Britney happened yesterday. It was put into place pre-Britney :P

Dean,

As much as I admire you, unless you can show some kind of documentation, I find the pre-Britney claim hard to believe.

More importantly, can you or anyone else clarify as to the new policy and peroxides? Because if peroxides are a threat, freezing should not be allowed (per the freezing point of H2O2). If they are not, why confiscate peroxide-containing contact lens solution?

HSVTSO Dean Nov 4, 2009 7:15 am


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
As much as I admire you, unless you can show some kind of documentation, I find the pre-Britney claim hard to believe.

Then you're going to just have to find it hard to believe.

Regardless, it's still true.

IrishDoesntFlyNow Nov 4, 2009 7:20 am


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 12764857)
More importantly, can you or anyone else clarify as to the new policy and peroxides? Because if peroxides are a threat, freezing should not be allowed (per the freezing point of H2O2). If they are not, why confiscate peroxide-containing contact lens solution?

This might be the answer to the whole contact lens solution issue -- keep some frozen. Should thaw quickly enough to be usable at destination. (Or possibly fast enough to combine with other Mystery Liquids and commit Nefarious Acts? Do I smell a home science project here?)

~~ Irish

Boggie Dog Nov 4, 2009 7:32 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 12764657)
I can't believe I actually wrote "NP." I don't even remember having written it, but, sure enough, it's there.

Woah.

Anyway, the intent of it was "no problem."

And it happened last week sometime. Britney happened yesterday. It was put into place pre-Britney :P

You say it happened last week and since your respected here I tend to believe that.

Wouldn't it be much better if people who travel had a single point of information on exactly what is permitted, what things must be complied with and some reasons why these things have to be done?

Tom M. Nov 4, 2009 7:33 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 12765063)
Wouldn't it be much better if people who travel had a single point of information on exactly what is permitted, what things must be complied with and some reasons why these things have to be done?


Apparently we do. It's Britney...

:D

BubbaLoop Nov 4, 2009 8:30 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 12764953)
Then you're going to just have to find it hard to believe.

Regardless, it's still true.

OK, so assuming it is true (and I only accept the possibility because I respect you), why was it not announced pre-Britney? Independently of the fact that this decision makes no sense, it can effectively completely change our travel procedures. Think frozen shampoo, toothpaste, deodorant, water, wine (can be done at about -7 C, not too bad), juice boxes, pudding, ice cream!! Oh boy - Travelers will need padded cold-suitcases, and freezers a lot larger than those in hotel mini-bars.

Should we not have been informed? At the very least, why was the sentence regarding limitation of ice and other frozen liquids to medical needs not removed from the TSA website?

JSmith1969 Nov 4, 2009 8:36 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 12764657)
And it happened last week sometime. Britney happened yesterday. It was put into place pre-Britney :P

Prove it.

Boggie Dog Nov 4, 2009 9:12 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 12763617)
emphasis mine: i dunno, and maybe it's me with 30+ years of regulatory banking, compliance and bank secrecy act experience but could it be that the tsa was in violation of the law to begin with? ;)

I handle BSA/FINCEN compliance at my little slice of heaven.

For TSA to involve itself in this area just demonstrates that they are wanting to be a State Police Agency.

I maintain that the person who signed the Op Directive that classified $10,000 currency contraband was a KHIAI trainee.

N965VJ Nov 4, 2009 9:14 am

We still have the challenge of seeing that front line TSOs follow these new policies. You know, “Some airports do, some airports don’t. Each airport is different.”

goalie Nov 4, 2009 9:46 am


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12764802)
If there really is a changed in procedure, it is unbelievable.

Now TSO's are going to be tasked to make a judgment call on how much ice has melted.

Yeah, that is a great use of their time and attention. Much better than looking for W.E.I...

:td:

emphasis mine: is it going to be by weight or by volume? ;) :rolleyes:


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