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SATTSO Oct 28, 2009 10:24 am


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12723259)
Then how do you reconcile this policy with the other policy that says that pies are allowed through the checkpoint? After all, pumpkin pie is mostly a gel.

See, the LGA Policy says that pumpkin pies aren't allowed. The Pie Policy says that pies are allowed of any sort. Which one are you going to enforce when I come through the line?

At SAT pie are allowed through. I think I mentioned before, just saw one go through 2 days ago.

As with donuts, until recently there was no policy regarding pies. I believe another person said they were able to bring pies through, with no problems.

I can reconcile the "pie policy" with LGA policy the same as with medicines that are LGA's. Exceptions are made.

SATTSO Oct 28, 2009 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by tcl (Post 12723283)
I guess I shouldn't even think of bringing chocolate lava cakes home then :( Was thinking of pre-baking them in my kitchen.

Come to think of it, I haven't brought a single baked good home since this whole security theatre started. I just stopped bothering after the guy in the Camo holding the gun told LGA TSA to take my earrings. (1" long gold dangly matchsticks that were fashionable a few years back). LGA TSA were surprised but Camo-guy told them to again, so they let me mail it to a friend. Upon going back through security Camo-guy was pissed off at them and ordered a secondary twice, because LGA TSA were "too apologetic" and "only went through the motions" the first time. LGA TSA were very nice but Camo-guy was an a**. :td:

Can you mail the donuts instead? Or lace the donuts with habenero? :D

Call the airport your attempting to fly from to see if you can bring the lava cakes. However, I would just bring them. I am assuming they will be packaged, as opposed to on a tray wrapped in foil/plastic? Many people bring food in coolers, the food wrapped in foil/plastic. On x-ray its hard to tell if there is a "liquid" center to food, such as donuts. Food though is often checked, not because it isn't allowed through, but because it may meet certain conditions on the x-ray screen. Tell the TSO's if they question you that they are cup-cakes, nothing else.

General_Flyer Oct 28, 2009 11:40 pm

Best to try, better not to..

Anyway, I'll report back what happened when I bring the donuts in the air with jellies and all...

opushomes Oct 29, 2009 12:10 am


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12720334)
I wouldn't consider a city with over 75% non-Hispanic white to be much of a melting pot, especially where no other group accounts for even 7% of the population. Well, perhaps if you are comparing it to Vermont.

And the purpose of this comment was what exactly??

ND Sol Oct 29, 2009 7:39 am


Originally Posted by opushomes (Post 12729493)
And the purpose of this comment was what exactly??

What's up with the bold underline? I was not berating the OP in the least about this. I just wanted the facts to be out there and the fact is Portland does not have much of a mix of races, which would constitute a melting pot city. It is not a small San Francisco in that regard. It is hard to make a melting pot when three-quarters of the ingredients is white rice. The other ingredients are not so much an integral part, but only to add some spice and flavoring.

I have been to Portland a number of times, and while I have enjoyed it, the lack of diversity is apparent. In addition, the strict land-use restrictions have an indirect racist effect as it prices many people out of the housing market. So they have to live outside of the restricted area or move to a town that is more welcoming.

mikeef Oct 29, 2009 10:40 am

I'll settle this argument. I can now state for a fact that Portland has a melting pot.

Mike

General_Flyer Oct 29, 2009 10:46 am


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 12731754)
I'll settle this argument. I can now state for a fact that Portland has a melting pot.

Mike

:p:D:D:D

Well, now that's settled.. Lets get back on those donuts! :p

ND Sol Oct 29, 2009 11:33 am


Originally Posted by General_Flyer (Post 12731784)
:p:D:D:D

Well, now that's settled.. Lets get back on those donuts! :p

Mmmmm, donuts!!

Now, is it donuts or doughnuts? :D

General_Flyer Nov 5, 2009 2:05 pm

Got news today..

They allow donuts or doughnuts in PDX and can pass through security..

However, Jellied doughnuts must not exceed 3.4 oz in jelly weight.. I don't know if this is for just one doughnuts or the entire amount for whatever many jellied doughnuts for me to bring... No problems with powdered sugar donuts though...

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by General_Flyer (Post 12774143)
Got news today..

They allow donuts or doughnuts in PDX and can pass through security..

However, Jellied doughnuts must not exceed 3.4 oz in jelly weight.. I don't know if this is for just one doughnuts or the entire amount for whatever many jellied doughnuts for me to bring... No problems with powdered sugar donuts though...

I'm curious, why do some people think there would be a problem with powdered donuts (it's how I spell it!!). If someone already answered and I missed it, I apologize.

MisterNice Nov 5, 2009 2:31 pm

I assume the TSA will have to xray and swab each and every donut to protect the traveling public from terrorists and other evil doers. Personally I would no want to eat a swabbed donut even from a handsomed TSA Officer wearing a brand new clean pair of latex gloves.

MisterNice

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by MisterNice (Post 12774349)
I assume the TSA will have to xray and swab each and every donut to protect the traveling public from terrorists and other evil doers. Personally I would no want to eat a swabbed donut even from a handsomed TSA Officer wearing a brand new clean pair of latex gloves.

MisterNice

I think the policy for donuts, cakes and such is the TSO should have to take a bite from each one just to be sure.... ;)

peachfront Nov 5, 2009 3:13 pm

I got a bag of home grown satsumas through security in September. I mean really juicy satsumas. I was afraid that they'd make some silly claim that I'd injected them with secret CIA-level explosive nuclear orange juice, but they didn't even look at them. Whew. I think a satsuma has more liquid in it than a jelly doughnut but there are never any guarantees in this game. I'd say, try it and good luck. If for some reason they do confiscate, just let it go.

IslandBased Nov 5, 2009 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12774378)
I think the policy for donuts, cakes and such is the TSO should have to take a bite from each one just to be sure.... ;)

We'll bake some special donuts just for you...;)

n4zhg Nov 5, 2009 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 12774745)
We'll bake some special donuts just for you...;)

Laxative or Anabuse? :D

IslandBased Nov 5, 2009 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 12775015)
Laxative or Anabuse? :D

Sorry, its a trade secret....:p

Boggie Dog Nov 5, 2009 5:30 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12774291)
I'm curious, why do some people think there would be a problem with powdered donuts (it's how I spell it!!). If someone already answered and I missed it, I apologize.

Probably for the same reasons that people think there might be a problem with water, coffee, milk, soda, orange juice, puddings, soup, soft cheese.... well I think you'll figure it out.

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 12775312)
Probably for the same reasons that people think there might be a problem with water, coffee, milk, soda, orange juice, puddings, soup, soft cheese.... well I think you'll figure it out.

Besides the soft cheese, those are LGA. Powder auger is not close to anything like that those.

Yes, TSA does check powders, but very rarely, and only when te powder is in cetain amounts, and has a certain appearance on the x-ray. If that is your or anyones concern, powder donuts will never be a problem. They may be looked at... but ignore me lickng my lips, it's just that I missed my lunch...

jkhuggins Nov 5, 2009 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12774291)
I'm curious, why do some people think there would be a problem with powdered donuts (it's how I spell it!!). If someone already answered and I missed it, I apologize.

Because we've been trained to think that way ...


Originally Posted by tsa.gov
To ensure traveler’s security, transportation security officers (TSOs) may determine that an item not on the prohibited items chart is prohibited. In addition, the TSO may also determine that an item on the permitted chart is dangerous and therefore may not be brought through the security checkpoint.

In short ... TSOs can object to any item, for any reason, and prohibit the passenger from bringing it through the checkpoint. Furthermore, TSOs are under no obligation to explain their reasoning to passengers; citing "traveler's security" is all that is needed.

Paranoid? Maybe. But look at the number of reports about people trying to bring ice through checkpoints post-Britney, and failing miserably, even though Blogger Bob (and the TSA website) says that ice is OK.

(Personally, I'm not paranoid ... I know everyone is out to get me ...)

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12775541)
Because we've been trained to think that way ...



In short ... TSOs can object to any item, for any reason, and prohibit the passenger from bringing it through the checkpoint. Furthermore, TSOs are under no obligation to explain their reasoning to passengers; citing "traveler's security" is all that is needed.

Paranoid? Maybe. But look at the number of reports about people trying to bring ice through checkpoints post-Britney, and failing miserably, even though Blogger Bob (and the TSA website) says that ice is OK.

(Personally, I'm not paranoid ... I know everyone is out to get me ...)

Actually, I am out to get you. Personally. It's true.. ;)

I understand what you mean, but I was asking specifically about powdered donuts, the most dangerous donut of them all.

jkhuggins Nov 5, 2009 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12775648)
Actually, I am out to get you. Personally. It's true.. ;)

See? I knew it! ;)


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12775648)
I understand what you mean, but I was asking specifically about powdered donuts, the most dangerous donut of them all.

See, you're trying to use a logical argument here.

Why are knives of any length prohibited by TSA, but scissors under 4 inches (which could easily be converted into knives by popping the hinge) permitted? Heck, why are knives prohibited by TSA when there are plenty of knives already on-board the aircraft in the food service area? Why are flight attendants trusted to bring in big bottles of water when on duty but not when off-duty? Why are knitting needles permitted but ice picks prohibited? Why are drill bits prohibited but short screwdrivers permitted?

So ... in the face of those contradictions, is it that unreasonable to wonder if plain donuts and powdered donuts will be treated differently?

Boggie Dog Nov 5, 2009 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12775648)
Actually, I am out to get you. Personally. It's true.. ;)

I understand what you mean, but I was asking specifically about powdered donuts, the most dangerous donut of them all.


The items I listed are just as dangerous as the powdered donut.

RadioGirl Nov 5, 2009 8:41 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 12776131)
The items I listed are just as dangerous as the powdered donut.

From a health point-of-view, several of them (water, milk, orange juice, maybe coffee and soup) are less dangerous than a powdered donut. ;)

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12775842)
See? I knew it! ;)



See, you're trying to use a logical argument here.

Why are knives of any length prohibited by TSA, but scissors under 4 inches (which could easily be converted into knives by popping the hinge) permitted? Heck, why are knives prohibited by TSA when there are plenty of knives already on-board the aircraft in the food service area? Why are flight attendants trusted to bring in big bottles of water when on duty but not when off-duty? Why are knitting needles permitted but ice picks prohibited? Why are drill bits prohibited but short screwdrivers permitted?

So ... in the face of those contradictions, is it that unreasonable to wonder if plain donuts and powdered donuts will be treated differently?

I agree with most of what you said. Scissors should not be allowed, nor nitting needles.

As to flight crew, thats a more touchy subject. I know when I travel I have to be screened just like anyone else - unless I am travelling in uniform and on the clock. I have travelled for TSA, but in my regular clothes (out of uniform) and have to have the same rules. Same rule seems to apply to flight crew. Why? Dunno.

I agree with the drill regulation, and actually no part of a drill can go through the checkpoint, not just the bits. I agree with this completely.

On another note entirely, this reminds me of something. I had to "argue" (no I did not yell or curse) with a passenger once who wanted to bring his chain saw as carry on luggage. It was an electirc powered, he argued, "see, here is the battery, so threre is no gas it doesn't violate the liquids rule". "So what your saying, sir, is you can snap in that batter and turn on the chain saw in mid-flight?" "Yes," he replied, and didn't understand why I wouldn't let it through. I am not kidding, actually ended up having to goto a LEO to tell him to check in in checked luggage....


But your dangerous powdered donuts are ok! Even better if you give me one when you go through. Remember, I can be bought, and yes, that cheaply.


I have a question, can anyone post what solid foods they were not allowed to bring through? Not saying it hasn't happened, just curious.

mgilmer Nov 5, 2009 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12774378)
I think the policy for donuts, cakes and such is the TSO should have to take a bite from each one just to be sure.... ;)

I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 10:00 pm


Originally Posted by mgilmer (Post 12776373)
I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

Lol you can actually bring "gifts" for the TSOs, if you like. There is a man who flies out of SAT all the time, we all know him by name, he knows us. Each Christmas he brings goodies for the TSO. And yes, he still gets the same screening everyone else does.

So bring you x-lax filled donuts!

This reminds me of an episode of the simpsons, mr. Burns watching homer eating the donuts by security camera, and he says, "he's getting closer to the poisoned donut! There is a poisoned donut, isn't there smithers?" Mr. Smithers say, "Our lawyers said that's technically murder, sir." Mr. Burns yells, "dang it!".

N830MH Nov 5, 2009 10:17 pm


Originally Posted by mgilmer (Post 12776373)
I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

Are you saying about donuts is not okay go through at security without any incident. You should have to purchase in the sterile areas. You don't have to pay it again. I think that I will should have to talks with my friends who work for TSA. I will try to have more info about donuts. I don't see any evidence the donuts does not have any prohibited.

DRZ Nov 5, 2009 10:57 pm

If many terrorists, in concert, each brought a jelly-filled doughnut through the checkpoint the contents of each doughnut could be combined, with one shoe, to create a very powerful sugar-fueled anomaly that would surely bring down even the most powerful aircraft that would probably be full of nuns and children.

Two dozen of such doughnuts would absolutely be forbidden.

n4zhg Nov 6, 2009 5:26 am


Originally Posted by mgilmer (Post 12776373)
I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

Back during WW2 in the crypto and translation offices the security guards went through worker's bag lunches, no gloves and they didn't bother washing their hands.

Not that this excuses TSA for jack.

ND Sol Nov 6, 2009 5:27 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12776236)
I agree with most of what you said. Scissors should not be allowed, nor nitting needles.

I agree with the drill regulation, and actually no part of a drill can go through the checkpoint, not just the bits. I agree with this completely.

I think that you have it backwards. Scissors, knitting needles, drills, etc. are not going to take down airplanes or be successful in hijacking them (unless you are MacGyver). The prohibited list should be leaner so that you won't have to be looking for items that while may be "dangerous" (such as my pen ;)), aren't that risky to allow on board. As such, you can then concentrate on looking for the items that do matter - guns and explosives, so that you will be less likely to miss them.

jkhuggins Nov 6, 2009 6:34 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12776236)
I agree with the drill regulation, and actually no part of a drill can go through the checkpoint, not just the bits. I agree with this completely.

Getting off track here, but ... I have some extremely small screwdrivers (think: small enough to repair the screws in my eyeglasses) which, frankly, aren't much different from a drill bit. If drill bits could be used as weapons, so could small screwdrivers.

But this is about donuts, right? Back to the main story ...


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12776236)
But your dangerous powdered donuts are ok! Even better if you give me one when you go through. Remember, I can be bought, and yes, that cheaply.

Please, please, please don't even joke about things like that. Admitting that you can be bribed, even in jest, will cause you nothing but trouble. (Speaking as someone in a customer service role, I understand this all too well ...)

AngryMiller Nov 7, 2009 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12777645)
Getting off track here, but ... I have some extremely small screwdrivers (think: small enough to repair the screws in my eyeglasses) which, frankly, aren't much different from a drill bit. If drill bits could be used as weapons, so could small screwdrivers.

Don't worry about that. I travel with a little tool kit in the laptop bag and have done so for a couple years. Things to watch out for are tools approaching 7 inches in length, cutting tools, hammers, etc.


Please, please, please don't even joke about things like that. Admitting that you can be bribed, even in jest, will cause you nothing but trouble. (Speaking as someone in a customer service role, I understand this all too well ...)
Joking about being 'for sale' while in a customer service role is sort of like joking about hijacking aircraft at an airport. Not funny. Nope not funny in the least bit.

About the donuts though, do you suppose if you were to take several out of the box to roll them across the floor that someone would be willing to take a flying leap at a rolling donut?

ladyredsox45 Nov 7, 2009 3:32 pm

:D You've mentioned Voodoo and that icon of the south Krispy Kreme but y'all are forgetting one thing. America runs on Dunkin'!


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