Four Airlines to operate Taipei-Seattle
In addition to EVA Air who is currently the only operator on this route, Delta will enter this market from 2024/6/6, China Airlines will resume service from 2024/7/14 and Starlux will inaugural their first flight from 2024/8/16. Initial flights as follows (there are schedule changes in W24/25):
TPE-SEA BR 24 2300-1910 77W 246 (seasonal) BR 26 2340-1950 781 Daily CI 22 2330-1950 359 12467 7/14- DL 68 1725-1405 339 Daily 6/7- JX 22 2000-1615 359 357 8/16- SEA-TPE BR 23 0110-0410+1 77W 357 (seasonal) BR 25 0210-0510+1 781 Daily CI 21 0140-0505+1 359 12357 7/15- DL 69 1115-1515+1 339 Daily 6/6- JX 21 0210-0510+1 359 146 8/17- This means the route will have it's service more than doubled (currently at 10x by just BR) from 2023. Passengers should seek out for discounts if you are planning to fly this market from mid-summer. As result CI 16/15 TPE-SFO will be cancelled. |
When 4 airlines flew LAX-PVG, things were great for consumers.
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Competitions are great for consumers, but I wonder how long they're going to last. Would the economics work for JX, for example, relying completely on its own flights at TPE? It doesn't fly to Chinese mainland (other than MFM), unlike the other two Taiwanese carriers, to benefit from the passenger traffic to and from the Chinese mainland.
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Originally Posted by tth6133
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Competitions are great for consumers, but I wonder how long they're going to last. Would the economics work for JX, for example, relying completely on its own flights at TPE? It doesn't fly to Chinese mainland (other than MFM), unlike the other two Taiwanese carriers, to benefit from the passenger traffic to and from the Chinese mainland.
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Should be good times for folks using AF/KL or *A miles to go to Asia.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36073873)
When 4 airlines flew LAX-PVG, things were great for consumers.
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I wonder how long the flights will last. It might be good to bring some competition on the price level, but not a lot of airlines can sustainably fly with half-full loads. CI has government subsidies going for it, but not sure how long Starlux and DL will keep the flights.
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Here's another problem. With the exception of DL flights, all the other flights arrive at SEA in the evenings. By the time passengers clear customs/immigration, there would be few connecting flights that day to go elsewhere in the US.
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Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36076262)
Here's another problem. With the exception of DL flights, all the other flights arrive at SEA in the evenings. By the time passengers clear customs/immigration, there would be few connecting flights that day to go elsewhere in the US.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 36076287)
Doesn't SEA have some red-eyes to the east coast?
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For passengers in J, there're also few good options on lounges at SEA. Many lounges are closed, or about to close, by that time. The few remaining ones are crowded with passengers bound for Asia on late flights.
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Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36074473)
Competitions are great for consumers, but I wonder how long they're going to last. Would the economics work for JX, for example, relying completely on its own flights at TPE? It doesn't fly to Chinese mainland (other than MFM), unlike the other two Taiwanese carriers, to benefit from the passenger traffic to and from the Chinese mainland.
Originally Posted by lolstebbo
(Post 36074988)
4 airlines fly SFO-TPE right now with up to 8 flights a day (up to 6 of them being around midnight or 1am westbound, so it's not like there's scheduling variety either), and that hasn't had a noticeable effect on fares as far as I can tell. I don't really know what other benefit for consumers there would be besides sheer capacity (although that hasn't exactly translated into a plethora of award seats either) since the Taiwan-based airlines are all pretty similar experience- and service-wise especially if you're in Y or PE.
Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36076262)
Here's another problem. With the exception of DL flights, all the other flights arrive at SEA in the evenings. By the time passengers clear customs/immigration, there would be few connecting flights that day to go elsewhere in the US.
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Originally Posted by m.y
(Post 36078491)
LAX/SFO-TPE are among the easiest routes to find J award flights (on CI at least).
Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36076372)
Yes, there're a few flights to a few big cities on the east coast. But after spending their previous night on a long TPE-SEA flight (assuming they didn't have to take a connecting flight to TPE), I'm not sure they want to spend another night on another flight within the US.
Here's another problem. With the exception of DL flights, all the other flights arrive at SEA in the evenings. By the time passengers clear customs/immigration, there would be few connecting flights that day to go elsewhere in the US. I've gone the double-red-eye when I lived in the midwest, though. Definitely not fun but it also felt like less of a waste of time than if it was two daytime flights. |
Originally Posted by lolstebbo
(Post 36079717)
CI/BR/JX focus on connections through TPE
Originally Posted by m.y
(Post 36078491)
Taiwanese airlines focus on feeding their Taipei hub to US gateways with large Asian diaspora
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Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36074473)
Competitions are great for consumers, but I wonder how long they're going to last. Would the economics work for JX, for example, relying completely on its own flights at TPE? It doesn't fly to Chinese mainland (other than MFM), unlike the other two Taiwanese carriers, to benefit from the passenger traffic to and from the Chinese mainland.
Originally Posted by lolstebbo
(Post 36074988)
4 airlines fly SFO-TPE right now with up to 8 flights a day (up to 6 of them being around midnight or 1am westbound, so it's not like there's scheduling variety either), and that hasn't had a noticeable effect on fares as far as I can tell. I don't really know what other benefit for consumers there would be besides sheer capacity (although that hasn't exactly translated into a plethora of award seats either) since the Taiwan-based airlines are all pretty similar experience- and service-wise especially if you're in Y or PE.
Seattle will definitely shake things up cause Delta will be competing with UA on the domestic passengers to Taiwan and SEA doesn't have that large market in comparison to LAX and SFO. We are looking at double capacities here, not 1 additional flight from UA at SFO (+0.5 from JX) or 1 additional flight from JX at LAX.
Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36076372)
Yes, there're a few flights to a few big cities on the east coast. But after spending their previous night on a long TPE-SEA flight (assuming they didn't have to take a connecting flight to TPE), I'm not sure they want to spend another night on another flight within the US.
Taiwanese are quite price sensitive as well (just not to the point of VIP), I am sure some of them will take those AS codeshares to the east coast if they want to transfer here.
Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36076388)
For passengers in J, there're also few good options on lounges at SEA. Many lounges are closed, or about to close, by that time. The few remaining ones are crowded with passengers bound for Asia on late flights.
I would assume some of those lounges will get extended hours for all these 0150 or 0215 flights. Would not CI use the Sky Club? JX is likely using AS lounge. At worst there is the Club.
Originally Posted by lolstebbo
(Post 36079717)
Yeah, but that's not something that changed as a consequence of JX entering the market (or even UA increasing their frequencies out of SFO). The only thing that's really changed is BR's gotten even stingier than before with regards to releasing award capacity.
Originally Posted by tth6133
(Post 36079939)
Yes. It'd be interesting to watch how JX does on that route if it turns out there's excess capacity, because it has the weakest network in Asia around TPE compared to the other two Taiwanese airlines.
...and they are not going to inaugural HKG after they received 15 weekly flights. Maybe they will after they launch SEA and find they don't have enough customers. |
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