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MrAOK Nov 2, 2009 3:51 pm

I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, I thought the pushing of the voting by airline and hotel companies tended to cheapen the awards. I sort of felt that a number of people voting might not be real frequent flyers or hotel stayers, and might instead be hotel employees and vendors.

On the other hand, I sort of found the publicity about the awards offered and the airlines advertising it offered represented some good publicity for frequent flyers, validated the sometimes crazy things I do for miles and finally held airlines and hotel companies feet to the fire when they weakened their loyalty programs.

I'm a bit worried that while there are good effects of this for Randy's employees, airlines and hotel companies will be less worried now about the impact of weakening their programs.

Non-NonRev Nov 2, 2009 6:08 pm

I respect the decision, and especially the thought process concerning the ongoing careers of the employees (digression - the best boss/company owner I ever had (lamentably deceased) had the same type of concerns when she sold her company, and in fact she took less money in order to protect her employees).

It is a shame that the Freddie Awards could not have found a new sponsor / home (certainly Randy's knowledge of the industry should have given him some ideas as to a suitable new home).

Under that scenario, 2010 could have served as a year of transition, in which Randy's staff worked with the new sponsor in order to facilitate a smooth handover for 2011 and beyond.

windwalker Nov 17, 2009 5:12 pm

Will Freddie Jr. Be forced into retirement as well?

SkiAdcock Nov 18, 2009 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by windwalker (Post 12837062)
Will Freddie Jr. Be forced into retirement as well?

Banish the thought! In fact FJr is on another trip at the moment, and Randy was presented w/ a map of where FJr has traveled to around the world at the recent Mod Do in MUC. IIRC FJr has traveled over 800,000 miles.

Cheers.

Italy98 Nov 18, 2009 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by Lehava (Post 12455846)
Randy...from a managment/employer point of view..kudos to you on worrying first and foremost about your employees. More should do that

From a FF point of view....I have to admit this saddens me. You claim you did it to protect our voice, but in reality you stiffled that voice. You decided because YOU didnt want to be our voice, we should have no voice at all. You did not provide us with the same "continuity plan" you are so concerned with for your employees. You should have found safe hands to put our voice in, but still let us have that voice.

+1

anonplz Nov 19, 2009 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by Randy Petersen (Post 12452949)
And in the what-if mode, a few people heard of my thoughts and expressed an interest in buying the Freddie Awards. That just did not feel right to me. It wasn't created for any reason other than to give voice to the frequent flyer -- you and the person you sat next to on your last flight or stood behind at the identified special check-in line for members at your last hotel stay. I couldn't sell that voice, it's not for sale and I just wasn't prepared to risk that future, thus a personal decision on my behalf to discontinue the Freddies after 21 years -- solely to honor a commitment to my employees that I would better prepare them for their futures.

It's been a great ride and I do hope that both the voice of the frequent flyer has been well served and that the efforts of the industry have been honored and recognized.

Wow - you got any openings in your company? ;) :) ^

anonplz Nov 19, 2009 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 12555373)
As a small aside I'm surprised at the muted reaction to the cancellation of the Freddie awards as I would've expected a much stronger response to the end of an era. Does that mean the word hasn't filtered out to the wider FT audience? Or that the readership on ORP is relatively small? Or something else?

Today is the first I knew about it, as I didn't get any email about it, I don't visit ORP much anymore, and I just happened upon it today by chance.

sunil Nov 19, 2009 10:04 pm


Originally Posted by Italy98 (Post 12843427)
Originally Posted by Lehava
Randy...from a managment/employer point of view..kudos to you on worrying first and foremost about your employees. More should do that

From a FF point of view....I have to admit this saddens me. You claim you did it to protect our voice, but in reality you stiffled that voice. You decided because YOU didnt want to be our voice, we should have no voice at all. You did not provide us with the same "continuity plan" you are so concerned with for your employees. You should have found safe hands to put our voice in, but still let us have that voice.

+1

Reflects my sentiments.

Major G Nov 22, 2009 7:58 pm

The real thing that concerns me is that SOMEBODY will fill the void. There may be multiple entities that see money to be made from having a way to promote this or that airline as #1. Let's face it, that status means a lot to the airlines and hotels as we can see from thier advertising.

Turning it over to nobody, means somebody will do it.:td:

Glenn

Italy98 Nov 22, 2009 9:21 pm


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 12555373)
As a small aside I'm surprised at the muted reaction to the cancellation of the Freddie awards as I would've expected a much stronger response to the end of an era. Does that mean the word hasn't filtered out to the wider FT audience? Or that the readership on ORP is relatively small? Or something else?


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 12721602)
Agree.

Cheers.

I only found out about the cancellation by looking through the tabs on the home page. I will probably either be shot or exiled from FT for this, as a retiree I would be willing to donate my time to support the Freddies if they are held in 2010. Yes, I did volunteer to help with the next DL DO also in 2010 around the same time.

SkiAdcock Nov 23, 2009 2:57 pm

Did I miss something? The Freddies were an award program successfully run by Randy for many years to honor those companies in the industry who had good programs/promos, etc, and due to the reasons he indicated have come to an end, regretful as that might be (and I will certainly miss them). Is there a reason he's supposed to keep them going for FTers? He was gracious enough to invite FTers to the Freddies, but it was never about us - other than we, like other frequent travelers of the various programs, voted (& got a free meal/drinks when he invited us to the awards). So I truly don't understand the stifling the voice, yada yada stuff.

BTW - if someone wants to create their own version of the Freddies & has the $$/time/staff/industry connections to pull it off, good on ya as the saying goes. No one is stopping you.

Cheers.

ozstamps Nov 23, 2009 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by Major G (Post 12864017)

The real thing that concerns me is that SOMEBODY will fill the void. There may be multiple entities that see money to be made from having a way to promote this or that airline as #1.

Let's face it, that status means a lot to the airlines and hotels as we can see from their advertising.

Turning it over to nobody, means somebody will do it.:td:

Glenn


Here is your big chance. You too can be a "somebody"! :cool:

Agree 100% with SkiAdcock.

None of our business, and if it means so much and is so obviously lucrative in the eyes of some .. give it your best shot. ;)

I've gotten a lot more out of FT than a few free drinks and a meal, and good to see the FT core still remains, much as it has done for 10 years.

That is what FT does better than anyone, and the less fragmention the better. @:-)

Glen
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Kremmen Jan 19, 2010 8:43 pm


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 12555373)
As a small aside I'm surprised at the muted reaction to the cancellation of the Freddie awards as I would've expected a much stronger response to the end of an era. Does that mean the word hasn't filtered out to the wider FT audience?

Could be. I just went looking for details on this year's awards and this thread is the first definitive comment I found. The web site has nothing in its FAQ about the end. It says 2009 was the final one, but also has the end of the 21st saying "... we'll see you next year for the 22nd Annual Freddie Awards!"

I'm saddened. If there had been an announcement prior to the final awards, that would have been much better for everyone. For those who've seldom or never been to the Freddies, that would have given one last chance. It would have also provided time for any organisation which might like to take them over to investigate and come up to speed on what's involved, giving a much greater chance for the future.

gfowler-ord-1k Jan 24, 2010 7:46 pm

I have mixed feelings over the Freddies cancellation. It was a great opportunity to meet the industry people. However I think the awards were becoming a matter of the marketing of the hotels and airlines. The industry was sending out "Vote 10" emails and I am suspect that was making the results not that meaningful.

Thanks Randy, it was real great of you to invite us over the years.

cwm143 Jan 25, 2010 1:37 pm

Freddie, I'm Sad!
 
Just learned about the cancellation as I seached in order to block a few days on my calendar. It's very sad to learn that the end hads come, but I fully understand. Thanks Randy for letting me visit last year in Ft Lauderdale, the event was fantastic for this FF, it was great to meet you as well. Always all the best to you. Thanks for bringing us all together too.
^


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