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robb Sep 20, 2004 6:10 pm

Is there a question regarding "troll guidelines?"
 
Randy,

Sorry to bother you when you should be enjoying your birthday (Happy Belated Birthday!), but I have asked a few times about a stronger policy about what constitutes intentional trolling on flyertalk.

I hadn't seen an answer yet, but it seems that some on flyertalk have chosen to resort to old tricks and intentionally undertake actions that they have repeatedly known to be disruptive and cause battles on flyertalk.

Now, normally, this sort of thing is done for sick, personal enjoyment, but in the case of the recent activity on Travel Technology (described by several as posting diarreah), it seems to be out of protest. Why else would someone who almost never visited Travel Technology take a sudden interest in disrupting that board? Particularly after posting clear signals that he disliked certain moderators of that forum and simply will not rest until they are taken care of to his satisfaction.

Sadly, this trolling has gone unanswered, since to answer would be to feed the beast, and I'm still waiting for some guidelines that define and punish the intentional disruption of flyertalk.

Most importantly, I sincerely hope that the aforementioned remarks will be seen as "constructive" in some manner, for that is certainly how they were meant!

Thanks again!

ozstamps Sep 20, 2004 6:58 pm

To use the oft given advice of yourself (when it suits your argument), is there any reason this was not emailed direct to Randy, or more productively still, posted to him as a question on the Moderators Forum which is there precisely for this kind of question?

Seems to be of no business to anyone else on FT except those parties?

Seeing you are NOT a moderator on that Forum, it seems to me your thread is even more bizarre. And for you to be self-proclaiming it as "constructive" gets the belly laugh of the week from me. :td:

ozstamps Sep 20, 2004 7:15 pm

Oh, and for you and the clique to have cheekily (arrogantly?) given this thread content a "5 star" member rating" of "Excellent" even before there was a single reply, and within 30 minutes of it being posted was pretty rich too.

IMHO. :td:

Morrissey Sep 20, 2004 9:26 pm


Originally Posted by ozstamps
Oh, and for you and the clique to have cheekily (arrogantly?) given this thread content a "5 star" member rating" of "Excellent" even before there was a single reply, and within 30 minutes of it being posted was pretty rich too.

IMHO. :td:

<YAWN>

dhammer53 Sep 20, 2004 9:33 pm

I think this problem does exist; but I see it just once in a while. Maybe I'm not reading those forums. Who knows.

I don't know why a poster feels the necessity to come down on the OP with such bad vibes. :confused: It's uncalled for. Maybe that's the response that should have been e mailed to Robb ; rather than posting a lashing here.

alanw Sep 21, 2004 3:23 am

Seeing as how other recent posters have had such great success getting concise answers from Randy about other guidelines in this very forum, it seems to make perfect sense to post a question like this here.

Anyone visiting Travel Tech can easily see what the troll in question is up to. Testing the limits of moderation like a kid seems disruptive to me, honestly!

Sometimes you have to ask the tough questions. Great post, Robb! ^

Football Fan Sep 21, 2004 4:27 am

Honest question...I sometimes visit that forum and I visited it right now...and I can't figure out what is being referred to. Maybe I'm blind, but can someone post some links? :confused:

ozstamps Sep 21, 2004 7:45 am


Originally Posted by alanw

Seeing as how other recent posters have had such great success getting concise answers from Randy about other guidelines in this very forum, it seems to make perfect sense to post a question like this here.

Those members were not moderators who have a dedicated Forum to address such operational questions to Randy. Precisely one reason that Forum exists for. Meaning there is no reason whatever to raise it here. IMHO.

FWAAA Sep 21, 2004 10:42 am


Originally Posted by attorney28
Honest question...I sometimes visit that forum and I visited it right now...and I can't figure out what is being referred to. Maybe I'm blind, but can someone post some links? :confused:

Check out the Travel Tech forum from several days ago. doc posted articles that the two moderators of that forum found lacking. Some were closed, some were moved to OMNI, and some were ignored (which is the proper response).

This is just another anti-doc thread.


Originally Posted by alanw
Anyone visiting Travel Tech can easily see what the troll in question is up to. Testing the limits of moderation like a kid seems disruptive to me, honestly!

:(


Originally Posted by Randy Petersen
My personal opinions are just that, but my professional opinion on how we address other members is very much worth listening to: please try and limit the use of the verb: "troll"

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ighlight=troll

Unless, of course, you are members of the anti-doc club. Then, apparently, it's ok to call doc a troll. :(

rufus102 Sep 21, 2004 10:45 am

What a bunch of spoilt children. :rolleyes:

ScottC Sep 21, 2004 10:58 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA
doc posted articles that the two moderators of that forum found lacking. Some were closed, some were moved to OMNI, and some were ignored (which is the proper response).


Total and utter nonsense and a downright lie.

We were appointed moderators, and in that capacity we moderate. Ignoring threads that are duplicates or are completely and utterly unrelated to anything that has to do with travel is not in our job description, even if they are posted by a "Flyertalk Legend".

We are very liberal in the description of what is and is not travel related and moved several threads from different members, we also issued warnings to members that were posting remarks about Doc and his posts.

The whole "anti-doc" thing is quite franky boring and IMHO insulting to me, I don't CARE who posts something, if it doesn't belong there then it gets moderated; plain and simple.

Before we took ANY action we discussed the matter with our fellow moderators and we got enough support for these actions, so there is no secret anti-doc movement, as much as some would like to belieive. Doc is not the "victim" here, he's just another member that picked the wrong forum to post his news in, something many posters do every day. Just because stuff like this wasn't moved in the past doesn't mean we should keep it like that.

alanw Sep 21, 2004 11:19 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA
Check out the Travel Tech forum from several days ago. doc posted articles that the two moderators of that forum found lacking. Some were closed, some were moved to OMNI, and some were ignored (which is the proper response).

Actually, I believe there were people who actually read, contribute, and help other members who were irritated by the diarrhea splattered all over their forum. I can't say for sure, since I'm not the moderator who took action. Evidently you have more insight?


This is just another anti-doc thread.
Why on earth would there be another anti-doc thread? Why on earth would there be one in the first place? To my knowledge, this member has never said an unkind word about anyone, at least publicly. Comments on specific disruptive behavior are not "anti"-anything, IMO. Though calling out the flying monkeys to attack a post made to seek clarification from Randy is a bit anti-FlyerTalk.

Clearly, the OP just wants to make FT a better experience for everyone. Why do you hate FlyerTalk?


:(
You can say that again!



Originally Posted by Randy Peterson
please try and limit the use of the verb: "troll"

Unless, of course, you are members of the anti-doc club. Then, apparently, it's ok to call doc a troll. :(
Actually, Randy specifically asks people to try to limit the use of the verb. I used a noun, which is a completely different thing. And while I wasn't pointing any fingers, the posts are clearly and evidently trolls and that's why I called them that. If that word is offensive to people, it might be better to look at stopping the offensive behavior those words describe.

OttoGraham Sep 21, 2004 11:21 am


Originally Posted by ScottC
The whole "anti-doc" thing is quite franky boring and IMHO insulting to me

Not only for you. I am quite tired of the usual bunch opening up their yaps complaining about doc. This vendetta has been going on for years. :(

There seems to be an almost-hysterical reaction to doc amongst a few malcontents on FlyerTalk. To them, I commend the "Ignore This User" function.

RSSrsvp Sep 21, 2004 12:29 pm

IMHO the issue is not the posting of tech related news, but where is the proper home for it really is.The purpose of the Travel Technology board is to discuss travel related tech issues. The type of posting that doc is doing is far more suitable to a techie BB, not FT. People that frequent the Travel Technology board are for the most part there to have their tech questions that are travel related answered, not to read tech news. If I wish to see daily tech news alerts, I can go to any number of websites that are dedicated to that subject matter.

This is not an attack on doc as I have absolutely no grudge to bear against him. This post is being made as a private poster, and not as a moderator.

Morrissey Sep 21, 2004 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by Rssrsvp
IMHO the issue is not the posting of tech related news, but where is the proper home for it really is.The purpose of the Travel Technology board is to discuss travel related tech issues. The type of posting that doc is doing is far more suitable to a techie BB, not FT. People that frequent the Travel Technology board are for the most part there to have their tech questions that are travel related answered, not to read tech news. If I wish to see daily tech news alerts, I can go to any number of websites that are dedicated to that subject matter.

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