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underpressure Jul 21, 2004 4:15 am

an OMNI Idea
 
Sitting here looking at what used to be a great source of information and entertainment, I see a pattern developing here. There are some posts that have the same author answering his own statements. Three, Four, Five entries in a row on the same thread. Then another thread that espouses the same thing, again, three four, five in a row. (Honestly, looking at the posting record of some of these folks, I have no Idea how they hold a job, let alone frequent ANYTHING)

What if there was a limit to the number of new threads and a limit to the number of times that you could post on the thread (along with a breather of four more entries on that thread before you can post again)?

I just get real tired of the same old crap on the same old threads, day after day, after day.

OK, I know, you think BUSH Lied and Kerry will beat him in November, let's PLEASE move on.

This was originally posted in OMNI and was suggested that I move it here.

sickofthewhining Jul 21, 2004 7:30 am

A better idea!
 
A better idea would be for you and your small circle of little intolerant friends to find another sandbox to soil with your constant whining.

We're all tired of your endless moderator bashing and complaining about how desperately unfair it is for the right wing nut group to be treated with the disdain they so richly deserve.

Mary2e Jul 21, 2004 7:39 am

Hmmmmmm. Looks like someone's dirtying Randy's forum again and insulting his living room by using a second id.

Coward. Why don't you use your REGULAR id to post this drivel?

underpressure Jul 21, 2004 8:26 am


Originally Posted by sickofthewhining
A better idea would be for you and your small circle of little intolerant friends to find another sandbox to soil with your constant whining.

We're all tired of your endless moderator bashing and complaining about how desperately unfair it is for the right wing nut group to be treated with the disdain they so richly deserve.

I would not categorize my comments as intolerent. Nor do I have a "circle" of friends here.

and I will have to echo Mary's comment. Why the shield on your name, use your real one please.

se94583 Jul 27, 2004 3:47 pm


Originally Posted by underpressure
Sitting here looking at what used to be a great source of information and entertainment, I see a pattern developing here. There are some posts that have the same author answering his own statements. Three, Four, Five entries in a row on the same thread. Then another thread that espouses the same thing, again, three four, five in a row. (Honestly, looking at the posting record of some of these folks, I have no Idea how they hold a job, let alone frequent ANYTHING)

What if there was a limit to the number of new threads and a limit to the number of times that you could post on the thread (along with a breather of four more entries on that thread before you can post again)?

I just get real tired of the same old crap on the same old threads, day after day, after day.

OK, I know, you think BUSH Lied and Kerry will beat him in November, let's PLEASE move on.

This was originally posted in OMNI and was suggested that I move it here.

FWIW, I agree with this post. If the technology allows it, perhaps an hourly flood control? If anything, it might cool down the flame bait, and force folks to think before hitting the enter button. A well-thought-out post debating something is buch better than the bumper sticker rhetoric that gets bantered about there recently. That might cool down the carpal tunnel brigade, or at least the most notorious one or two.

JeremyZ Jul 27, 2004 4:06 pm

In that case - flood control on Omni only, please.

Hate to think FT would limit the helpful posts on the broad board.

Or maybe I'm missing the point of FT . . . .

bigjim Jul 27, 2004 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by JeremyZ
In that case - flood control on Omni only, please.

Hate to think FT would limit the helpful posts on the broad board.

Or maybe I'm missing the point of FT . . . .

I agree wholeheartedly. I find that the Omni-type -attitude seems to carry over to the tone of the other legitimate purposes of FT. Of course, my wish is that Omni could be totally moved to a separate website if it must continue.

I find it very sad that when I refer Flyertalk to people that aren't familiar with it, that I must warn them to be very cautious when posting to avoid being flamed or belittled. Unfortunately, I have found that the worst offenders have been some of the members that have the most posts to their credit and the Moderators that take their sides no matter what the facts actually present.

ScottC Jul 27, 2004 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by JeremyZ
In that case - flood control on Omni only, please.

Hate to think FT would limit the helpful posts on the broad board.

Or maybe I'm missing the point of FT . . . .

For some, the point of FT is Omni, with the odd post airline or hotel related.

Non-NonRev Jul 27, 2004 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC
For some, the point of FT is Omni, with the odd post airline or hotel related.

One difference is the "browse-only" factor. I looked at the different boareds a couple of minutes ago and there were 87 people in UA, 51 in AA, 52 in S.P.A.M., 41 in MR, and 31 in *Wood - and only 22 in Omni. I think it's the nature of the points boards that many registered members and guests browse and find what they need without posting, while Omni's entire raison d'etat is to encourage everyone reading it to join in and post.

dallasflyer Jul 28, 2004 7:02 am

Surprising to me OMNI seems to be more tolerant of opinions. I have been able to read more posts and actually post without being attacked. I understand that 90% of OMNI posters already have a position, many radical, and they will not be changing. With this in mind I have been able to be more involved with OMNI. By the way I think that the moderators are doing a great job, considering all the political discussion on OMNI right now.

Analise Jul 28, 2004 8:46 am


Originally Posted by sickofthewhining
A better idea would be for you and your small circle of little intolerant friends to find another sandbox to soil with your constant whining.

We're all tired of your endless moderator bashing and complaining about how desperately unfair it is for the right wing nut group to be treated with the disdain they so richly deserve.

My, my you've only posted three times and look what we have above. On my third post, I was in awe of how grand FT really is. Heck I'm at over 9000 posts and that awe just keeps on growing.

GUWonder Jul 28, 2004 10:44 am


Originally Posted by dallasflyer
Surprising to me OMNI seems to be more tolerant of opinions. I have been able to read more posts and actually post without being attacked. I understand that 90% of OMNI posters already have a position, many radical, and they will not be changing. With this in mind I have been able to be more involved with OMNI. By the way I think that the moderators are doing a great job, considering all the political discussion on OMNI right now.

For all the heated arguments, many people decide to put up with OMNI's dark side so that they can truly appreciate its amusement and the participants' knowledge and wit. Even the most heated discussions eventually cool off since most everyone who likes a good argument recognizes the symbiotic relationship. :D [Personal attacks in OMNI are far fewer than one would at first anticipate; for that we have the moderators to thank.]

RobotDoctor Jul 28, 2004 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder
For all the heated arguments, many people decide to put up with OMNI's dark side so that they can truly appreciate its amusement and the participants' knowledge and wit. Even the most heated discussions eventually cool off since most everyone who likes a good argument recognizes the symbiotic relationship. :D [Personal attacks in OMNI are far fewer than one would at first anticipate; for that we have the moderators to thank.]

I am a closet Omni dark side member, or at least a infrequent member. :D

boilermaker Jul 28, 2004 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by RobotDoctor
I am a closet Omni dark side member, or at least a infrequent member. :D

And we miss your presence.

nako Jul 28, 2004 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder
For all the heated arguments, many people decide to put up with OMNI's dark side so that they can truly appreciate its amusement and the participants' knowledge and wit. Even the most heated discussions eventually cool off since most everyone who likes a good argument recognizes the symbiotic relationship. :D [Personal attacks in OMNI are far fewer than one would at first anticipate; for that we have the moderators to thank.]

I'd say that the level of personal attacks in OMNI right now is at an all-time high, thanks to a couple of threads that you've started.

But then again, the usual rules will apply - name calling is only okay when you're not naming any particular names or when you are attacking someone that doesn't hold PC ideals.

But what do I know, anyway? I'm just an ignorant, hateful, mindless sheep Republican after all. :rolleyes:

Mike

nako Jul 28, 2004 10:12 pm


Originally Posted by dallasflyer
Surprising to me OMNI seems to be more tolerant of opinions. I have been able to read more posts and actually post without being attacked. I understand that 90% of OMNI posters already have a position, many radical, and they will not be changing. With this in mind I have been able to be more involved with OMNI. By the way I think that the moderators are doing a great job, considering all the political discussion on OMNI right now.

I think you're reading and posting to the wrong threads, honestly.

A certain person is being nailed to the proverbial cross right now simply because he holds a view that many people consider to be ignorant and hateful. These are people who would normally consider themselves to be open-minded and tolerant - however, this open-mindedness only seems to tolerate opinions that they agree with.

When it's a position they don't agree with, they become as intolerant as their opponents. To this end, the hypocrisy being leveled by certain OMNI posters is appalling.

For the bulk of OMNI, posters, they are only tolerant of the opinions that you share with them. If you don't, your free speech rights are revoked because you are spreading hate. So be lucky, to this point, you haven't found yourself subject to their wrath.

Mike

GUWonder Jul 28, 2004 11:24 pm


Originally Posted by nako
I'd say that the level of personal attacks in OMNI right now is at an all-time high, thanks to a couple of threads that you've started.

I am not responsible for the behavior of others. If people cannot behave within the FT TOS, then I cannot help them. Two of the threads that had personal attack problems were ones that I started, but I don't see why the thread topics or my original post are at fault. Passport issues, a great speech, National Security Advisors and personal liberty matters are not the cause or the problem.


Originally Posted by nako
But then again, the usual rules will apply - name calling is only okay when you're not naming any particular names or when you are attacking someone that doesn't hold PC ideals.

That's not my issue nor do I think it the whole picture. After all, I have seen some ultra-PCists ejected permanently for the same kind of shenanigans that the non-PC crowd is ejected.


Originally Posted by nako
But what do I know, anyway? I'm just an ignorant, hateful, mindless sheep Republican after all. :rolleyes:

Don't be so hard on yourself. ;) You have helped inform me and been helpful in many regards. I don't know any mindless sheep Republicans on FT.

nako Jul 28, 2004 11:32 pm

GUWonder, my comments weren't directed at you, nor at the contents of your posts, per se. My intent was to note that the level of personal attacks in OMNI is on the upswing again, using some of the threads you've started as an example. (The one about the name change on passports is the one that comes to mind immediately.)

I get frustrated every time I expect a reasonable discussion to take place about issues, and have it turn into a mutual hate-fest from certain people. But then again, maybe my expectations are too high that reasonable adults can act like that.

Mike

GUWonder Jul 29, 2004 1:00 am


Originally Posted by nako
GUWonder, my comments weren't directed at you, nor at the contents of your posts, per se. My intent was to note that the level of personal attacks in OMNI is on the upswing again, using some of the threads you've started as an example. (The one about the name change on passports is the one that comes to mind immediately.)

I get frustrated every time I expect a reasonable discussion to take place about issues, and have it turn into a mutual hate-fest from certain people. But then again, maybe my expectations are too high that reasonable adults can act like that.

Mike

I was told that those who have high expectations often get frustrated while those with low expectations don't get frustrated. I recommend to myself to: 1) not presume that the bar is set high when it comes to the internet; and 2) not take things personally (difficult as that can be in some situations.).

trader475 Jul 30, 2004 3:46 pm

found answer

RobotDoctor Jul 30, 2004 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by boilermaker
And we miss your presence.

Thanks boilermaker. I appreciate reading that. You just made my day!!!

Best regards,

Sam

graraps Jul 30, 2004 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by underpressure
(Honestly, looking at the posting record of some of these folks, I have no Idea how they hold a job, let alone frequent ANYTHING)

Ya know, some people are lucky/smart/cautious enough to be able to afford not to work. Indeed this gives us more time to travel.

rkt10 Jul 30, 2004 7:29 pm

Well, I have bursts of posts sometimes. And I'd hate to see that limited. Sometimes I'm roaming around Flyertalk and I post a comment. Then I continue to roam around, only to find that someone addressed my comment. Since I'm still in the forum, I respond again... and again... and again sometimes.

I feel that if I don't respond it might appear that I don't have a response.

So, the pleasure of OMNI is that capacity to have a vivid conversation for a couple of three posts, and then go onto another topic.


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