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FewMiles Apr 6, 2004 11:38 am

The administrators can turn on an option which allows users to see the name of the person leaving the comments. It would certainly cut-down on anonymous insulting comments that some people have reported receiving.

FewMiles..

SEA_Tigger Apr 6, 2004 11:53 am


Originally Posted by HigherFlyer
(Reputation comments) shouldn't be anonymous. Accountability should be automatic, just like posting to a thread.

When you reply to a thread, your username is recorded. When you reply via private message, again your username is recorded. Even if we as a Community decide that the Reputation function has no intrinsic value to our "standing" in the Community, I agree that, in principle at least, it would be nice if such comments were identifiable by poster.

Between reputation points/demerits and replies, I can determine roughly how my position is being received. And since the reputations have no comments, I place much more value and weight on the thread replies, since they note why they agreed or disagreed with my position(s).

Now, I admit that, to my knowledge, I don't have any "grudges" being held against me, so I have to discern that the negatives were in response to what I said, not that it was me saying it. For some, the reverse may apply, and I can understand the desire for them to know who selected what, so they can ignore it if they feel it was done solely out of spite.

(Edited to delete a comment due to new information on the color of the reputation codes)

SEA_Tigger Apr 6, 2004 12:01 pm

(Duplicate Post Due to Server Issues)

HigherFlyer Apr 6, 2004 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by SEA_Tigger
When you reply to a thread, your username is recorded. When you reply via private message, again your username is recorded. Even if we as a Community decide that the Reputation function has no intrinsic value to our "standing" in the Community, I agree that, in principle at least, it would be nice if such comments were identifiable by poster.

But if I am understanding some of the comments correctly, the option does not exist in the application?

I will note that I personally don't feel I have to know who is posting comments and reputations. I have three covering two threads, and all are anonymous. One negative on the 777 (though the comment was positive), and one negative and one positive on the TED article in the Las Vegas Sun, neither with any comments attached. So even if I know who made what choice when it came to reputation, it does me no good since they didn't say why.

A few people posted threads in favor of my posts, and a few posted threads taking issue with parts of one of my posts. I can assume that the positive posts sent positive reputation and the negative sent negative, but since multiple people posted both positive and negative, I cannot do a one-for-one correlation. Nor do I feel I need to. Between reputation points/demerits and replies, I can determine roughly how my position is being received. And since the reputations have no comments, I place much more value and weight on the thread replies, since they note why they agreed or disagreed with my position(s).

Now, I admit that, to my knowledge, I don't have any "grudges" being held against me, so I have to discern that the negatives were in response to what I said, not that it was me saying it. For some, the reverse may apply, and I can understand the desire for them to know who selected what, so they can ignore it if they feel it was done solely out of spite.


It's not about me knowing who 'dinged' me. If this feature is supposed to be just for the CC as Randy stated, then the comments should be restricted to actual transactions in the CC. Otherwise, we have no way to know whether a person's positive reputation is based on successful trades of travel coupons, or if a negative reputation is based on the whims of angry anonymous critics. What someone believes about the effectiveness of the TSA or anger about seat recline issues have nothing to do with exchange of travel coupons.

SEA_Tigger Apr 6, 2004 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by HigherFlyer
If this feature is supposed to be just for the CC as Randy stated, then the comments should be restricted to actual transactions in the CC.

Which unless the FTAs can restrict it to just that forum, require a handle to be attached and displayed, and require a comment to be made - and made about a CC transaction - seems to be impossible to enforce unless we have FTAs spend time tracking down every single reputation comment.

Which most (if not all) here agree would be a waste of time - their's and ours.

So maybe it's best to just disable the feature. Let CC moderate it's own. It's been doing it for years.

anonplz Apr 6, 2004 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by SEA_Tigger
...I have pulled some boners now and then...

Don't be so hard on yourself. :( Pulling boners is okay in my book. :)

:D

MRSTARALLIANCE Apr 6, 2004 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by JonNYC

If you look in your User Control Panel you can see the last 10 reputations given to you. There will be a little dot next to each reputation:
• A ? dot means the user approved of your post, and as a result your reputation has grown,
• A ? dot means the user disapproved of your post, and as a result your reputation has "taken a hit",
• A ? dot means the user giving you reputation has not yet met the minimum qualifications to do so, and you will have to read the associated comment to determine what they thought.



So I take it a Green dot is good, a Red do it bad???

Dave

AZ_MISMAN Apr 6, 2004 6:02 pm

My intention, and attempt, is to provide necessary feedback through the reputation. I have never supported calling someone out in a thread, and often get tired of seeing the many attaboys in a thread.

I have used, and will continue to use, the function for which I believe it is intended. I have submitted a negative to someone that 1) asked a question and then 2) attacked the person that responded because it wasn't what the OP wanted to hear. Completely uncalled for. On the positive note, I chose to communicate through the reputation an attaboy for some piece of information that was helpful to me, as well as other FTers.

As for reviewing posts in threads, I'm mixed on reputation. In the UA forum where I spend the majority of my time, I've come to know who to trust, and who are trolls. Reputation may come into account when it is someone I don't know.

Finally, I have no problem "dinging" a troll. There are some posters that have nothing contructive to say... and that is my definition of a troll. I'd prefer that poster not post anything at all.

ozstamps Apr 6, 2004 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by venk
...I see no other redeeming value outside of the Coupon Connection as long as BOTH receiving and acquiring is limited to it and preferably based on a transaction. On the other hand, this increases the load on the server with threads like these and people checking/granting these points.

The main problem with the reputation points is it is quite meaningless to anyone who sees it.

If it is negative, you don't know if it is because someone writes a lot of posts with content but are controversial and there are people who disagree or because the poster is harmless while posting inconsequential stuff or if the poster is a jerk.

If it is positive, you don't know if it is because one has had a positive contribution, or one is simply an apologist posting platitudes collecting recommendations from other apologists or someone who has no content whatsoever but is nice/flattering to others or someone who is nasty to another poster that is disliked.

So the bottom line is that one has to decide for themselves based on posts, so what is the value of the reputation point other than one being one more usefless feature increasing the load on the server for any board outside of Coupon Connection. I hope both acquiring and displaying is limited to that board and that it is not anonymous.

This feature is better suited for juvenile talkboards where reputation and cliques are everything.

Well said. ^

gleff Apr 6, 2004 6:38 pm

Ok, I'm REALLY dense. I cannot find the comments that have been left about me. I can find the number of reputation points I have (Under Myflyertalk, Edit Options) but nowhere can I find actual comments.

ScottC Apr 6, 2004 6:44 pm


Originally Posted by gleff
Ok, I'm REALLY dense. I cannot find the comments that have been left about me. I can find the number of reputation points I have (Under Myflyertalk, Edit Options) but nowhere can I find actual comments.

Gleff, that is because you have it disabled. To view the last 5 comments AND your current "score" you need to have the reputation display option enabled.

Another option is to click on the little scales on one of your own posts.

SPN Lifer Apr 6, 2004 7:14 pm


You must spread some reputation around before giving it to ScottC again.
:) You're a good man, ScottC!

gleff Apr 6, 2004 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC
Gleff, that is because you have it disabled. To view the last 5 comments AND your current "score" you need to have the reputation display option enabled.

Another option is to click on the little scales on one of your own posts.

Thanks, Scott!

Punki Apr 6, 2004 9:01 pm

What an excellent plan.
 
Thank you, Randy, for your solution. It is perfect. This way we can continue to get all the great compliments from objective folks without the bad guys being able to take hits on our reputation. Super Idea!! :cool:

FewMiles Apr 6, 2004 9:56 pm


Originally Posted by Punki
Thank you, Randy, for your solution. It is perfect. This way we can continue to get all the great compliments from objective folks without the bad guys being able to take hits on our reputation. Super Idea!! :cool:

:confused: So people are objective only if they give you compliments? And those who offer criticisms are by definition then not objective. :rolleyes:

FewMiles..


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