Just to be clear; my comments were directed to FT members, not just, or even specifically, the mods or Randy.

Is it your contention that I should accept a gleefully expressed wish for the nuclear incineration of Israel as not being personal?

I am sorry, but somehow I see this sickie's desire to have me, my children, my friends, and my countrymen murdered as being intensely personal.

It is, in fact, a direct violation of the TOS.

Is this letter a flame? After all, I did not mention the degenerate's name. More than that, although I referred to him as a "sickie", the word can be interpreted in many ways.

Maybe I am calling him a physical sickie because of the boil in his armpit of which he was so proud that he began a thread about it.

Maybe I am calling him an emotional sickie. Only an emotional sickie would continuously condemn both America and Israel, where his particular sexual preferences are legal, but after visiting Saudi Arabia -- where they are punishable by death -- have as his sole impression that it is a wonderful country because gasoline is so cheap.

Or, maybe, I am calling his a moral sickie. That is, I think, a fair term to apply to anyone who gets so thrilled by thought of genocide.

Yes. This letter is a flame. I will not attempt to insult anyone's intelligence by playing a game and insisting that I used a technicalities to avoid it.

Please show me the same courtesy and not try to make me believe that the post by this alleged human being is one where "no moderator action" should be taken.



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Sir Dovster, OBE
(Omni Boycotter Extraordinaire)

[This message has been edited by Dovster (edited Mar 09, 2004).]

I have not yet read the thread in question, so I cannot comment on the specifics of that content. I do not even know who made the original posts that you refer to and as I understand it said posts have been removed. I cannot specifically comment on something that I have not read. So for you to say that this person speaks for, or is someone on the left means nothing to me.

Having said that, I do feel that in general the policies, politics, and motivations of all nations, yes, even Israel, are fair game on Omni. But what I have actually seen multiple times is that anyone who dares to criticize ANY aspect of, for example Israel, is branded as an anti-Semite just as anyone who questions any aspect of Christianity is branded as…well, you get the idea.

Yes, yes, if someone actually said that they wanted to see your family incinerated then that is a clear violation. And apparently the mods agreed with you as the offending content has been removed. So the question remains; why were the mods not contacted first by email so that the problem could have been taken care of in an expeditious manner. Perhaps the issue was more important than the solution? I do not have to publicly denounce every questionable post by someone on the left in order to justify my own opinions nor am I, or anyone else on the left as you put it, answerable for inactions of someone who feels offended but refuses to seek redress in the very simple methods that are available.

You have posted many letters which criticize Israel. Do you recall my -- even once -- having charged you with anti-Semitism? There are, indeed, some anti-Semitic posters on Omni, but I have never said that criticising Israel is, in itself, proof of anti-Semitism.

Actually, one of the mods (ScottC) agreed with me. In fact, he told me he was "sickened" by what he read in that thread. The other two Omni mods have remained silent about this (as far as I know).

I can only answer for myself: My previous experience in asking for some moderation of a letter from the left (which was a direct personal attack on someone -- not me -- from the right) was ignored (after being told it would be "looked into"). Hence, I no longer bother writing to the mods.

The others who posted on that thread may well have felt that their attempts would also be ignored.

But, yes, the issue IS more important. I did not write to this forum at the time this letter was posted because one letter is not really a valid subject for ORP. I wrote about it now because this thread got into the question of biased moderation on Omni. That is a valid subject and I was giving my view on it, using this very obvious example.

You have made it clear in some posts that you are not homosexual. Would you feel offended if I were to call for the mass murder of gays? I would hope that you would be.

I would also hope that you would be offended by this post. You don't have to look far to find it -- I placed it right here on the previous page.

Why would someone have to be from the Right -- or be Jewish -- to be offended by the expressed hope for the nuclear destruction of Israel?

In the past, you publicly denounced someone for using the term "raghead". You were right to have done so. Why then, would you not publicly denounce this gleefully expressed hope for genocide?




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Sir Dovster, OBE
(Omni Boycotter Extraordinaire)

And I never said that you did. This is not all about you nor is it all about me but that doesn't change the fact that it happens to others.

Also, I do not recall ever criticizing 'Israel' per se. I have often criticized Likud but I should point out to you that the two are not one and the same.

I cannot and will not speak for anyone other than myself. Particularly when I do not know who the other person is or what s/he said.

IMHO having had one slip by them in the past is not a valid reason to not still seek the mods out as the first step.

Irrelevant IMHO. Randy wants everyone to go to the mods first. If this process doesn't work for someone then they can play elsewhere.

In your opinion. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Again, I didn't see the posts.

I only "made it clear" to give my comments some perspective. Yes, if someone seriously threatened to kill any group I would vigorously protest such statements.

Second and third hand. I did not see the posts or the context so I cannot comment on it. I don't comment on books that I have not read either.

They don't and I never said they did. Please don't put words in my mouth so-to-speak.

No, I denounced another poster for using 'camel jockey'. Others jumped on the 'raghead' comments before me, but I did agree with them.

Once again, I did not see the comments or the poster, nor do I know the exact context in which the statements in question were made. I can not and will not comment on something that I have not seen. Again, the system worked. Once the issue was brought to the attention of the mods it was dealt with quickly and decisively.




[This message has been edited by anrkitec (edited Mar 09, 2004).]

As I get an e-mail about a reply to my topic & I haven't really interacted with either of you before - I just wanted to try to remind you all of what Canarsie said on Page 2:

Take it back to OMNI or take it off of here, please. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif Back at ya slick.

Try asking nicely next time. You may get better results. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

Already tried asking it nicely once on page 2, after Canarsie did - but I guess you missed both of them.

Not going to get into it with you though, ain't worth the time & energy. Have a nice evening, slick. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

You didn't ask me anything and no I have not read every single post in this thread. Another way to go may have looked something like,

"back to my original topic -[insert substantive or relevant point here]."

You have a good one too sport.

Ahem...Edited for typo.



[This message has been edited by anrkitec (edited Mar 09, 2004).]

sunstansive? OK.

Back to my original topic - Enhancements of Flyertalk.

Good night! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif