"Can't we all just get along?" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Yeah, don't you realise? The difference is when only one person does it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif And besides, I'm only bumping the good threads. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

This is really something. Where, oh where, did skofarrell state this? Not on any publicly accessible forum, I don't think.

I never told him to take a hike.

What an angel you are. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

FewMiles..

To clarify, he has posted at least once in FT Community since that time, but has not to my or others' recollection, posted in OMNI.

Nor, would I say, has anyone been temporarily banned from OMNI for disagreeing with the moderator. Heck, I disagreed with the moderator at that time. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

FewMiles..

To put this one to rest, please see:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/004035.html

doc posted Dec 05, 2003 06:38 AM

FewMiles..

Oh well, I can assure you he posted those exact words. And many others that were not highly complimentary I understand. So know you also now know how it feels for Moderators to post behind your back I guess? Glad you have confirmed that it is not just me.

Are you calling skofarrell a liar? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Quite stunning detective work I really have to say. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

J.Edgar Hoover would surely be cheering and hollering if he were with us. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Yes, sorry to spoil the News Flash I saw doc's post on that one thread in 3 or 4 months. And was pleased to hear from him he had a great night.

And as I (correctly) said he has not generally posted on FT other than to accept Randy's generous and gracious invitation for that dinner. Seeing the thread was specifically titled toward he and Catman. Noticed that small detail did you? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Calling Catman and Doc, I'm in New York Dec. 19-21

I have no issues with either fewmiles or doc at this point.

Your quote is also inaccurate. I suggest you go read the referenced thread again.

[This message has been edited by skofarrell (edited Jan 26, 2004).]

And I don't have any issues with skofarrell.

Just one thing though, ozstamps. If this "take a hike" comment was posted in the moderators forum, who's been letting you in to see it?

FewMiles..

Is that so? I know the words "annoying" and "troublemaker" have been used before. So what?

I've known this since MoreMiles.

I don't really care what they say in there so long as it's not slanderous. They're just posting their opinion of my posting behaviour.

No, are you? He posted his opinion, and I saw the situation differently. So what? I respect him and trust his ability to do a fair job. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

FewMiles..

I can't seem to find anything related to the original topic in the most recent posts here.

As for doc, he was looking good when I saw him in New York in December. He'll always be one of my favorite - and he's got a basketball loving son who is a very positive contributor to FlyerTalk as well.

As noted, this is not Only Ozstamps or Only skofarrell, it is my forum. With that ruling comes some perks.

I'd like to evoke rule #1: oz and sko have to simmer down. I think you have both have added quite enough already.

Ruling #2: Members who aren't factual with their information must please make an effort to state such with their posts. For instance, parnel posts this "And, of course Randy will go along with you. You are a volunteer after all." Fact: a few moderators will tell you that I don't agree with them all the time. A few moderators will tell you I have over ruled their closing or editing of a thread. A few moderators will telll you that I've asked them (politely...) to take some time away from the responsibilities. A few moderators differ with me all the time. I'm not sure if the facts will support parnel's 'fact'.

And for another "fact." I've also gone along with other members who weren't volunteers.

So, where do you want this to go? If you want it to stay open, at least try to focus on something constructive for my consideration. Oh, and by the way.... the topic title is "Timeout for Dovester, please"

And since I closed the spoof account for ftomnibox, I guess there really sums it up.

Point taken by me with last 2 pars Randy, and glad to hear doc is keeping well. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif



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~ Glen ~ sipping bubbly from a UA 747-400 exit row 15 near you SOON!

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For instance, parnel posts this "And, of course Randy will go along with you. You are a volunteer after all." Fact: a few moderators will tell you that I don't agree with them all the time
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Randy, I was just repeating what was said by the moderator in an earlier post. And it was in conjunction with an email sent to me saying Omni was his "turf" for which he has since apologized. I'm ok with that and have said so and dropped the discussion.
Its good to hear you exercise some vetos over the mods as well.

Back on topic: Dovster is an adult. If he needs a timeout he can ask for one himself, without the "help" of ftomnibox. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

I can't believe I'm seeing this post with my own eyes. I posted the italicized part quoting ap2110's now-famous racist position on middle eastern taxi drivers. He made (and subsequently defended this post) and I'm being criticized for flaming because I quoted him verbatim?

[This message has been edited by RS (edited Jan 27, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by RS (edited Jan 31, 2004).]

I was not referring to the word "raghead" (as much as I condemn it). I know that you were not the one using it.

I was referring to the line "so we're supposed to listen to him on this topic?"

And, even there, I have no problem with you writing it. However, any logic that would consider what I posted to be a flame would have to accept this as a flame also.

The above quotes were not, strictly speaking, addressing the issue at hand. They were attacking the writer's line of reasoning and way of expressing himself.

That is the reason given for my letter being censored.

Compare the two:

You: Didn't ap2110 post on Dec 29, 2003 03:41 PM, the following racist comment:

"I refuse to ride in a cab driven by a raghead, I just wave them on and catch the next one even though I just stood in line at LGA for 30 minutes at the taxi stand."

Me: debo_nair used a harsh word: "Rat".

As shown above, both you and I quoted what another poster said. Our posting then proceeded to to use those quotes to question to cast doubt on the poster's objectivity:

You: So we're supposed to listen to him on this topic?

Me: He used no such word to describe the mass murderess.

He used no such word to describe the artist who honored her.

He used no such word to describe the Swedes who allowed the exhibition.

Only one person warranted such a denunciation from debo_nair: the Israeli diplomat.

A few months ago Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh was murdered while shopping. Ms. Lindh was not particularly loved in Israel as she was one of its harshest European critics. If an Israeli museum were to put up an exhibit honoring her assassin, I wonder if debo_nair might use his harsh words a bit differently.

The thread your post was on was locked, but your post was allowed to stand for all to read. Presumably, you did not get a letter sent to you telling you that the next time you would be suspended for 7 days.

In my case, the thread was allowed to continue, but my post was removed. I did get such a letter.

I think now you will understand that I was not criticizing you for having used the quote.



[This message has been edited by Dovster (edited Jan 29, 2004).]

Read your own posts RS, the flaming is obvious.

AP2110,

Flames are far from unusual on the Omni Board.

For example, on Jan 26, Guava wrote the following about Underpressure:

And Doppy, have you learnt nothing? What happens everytime he lands his paw on a thread you started? Ignore him and save yourself some headaches and so for the other readers, myself included. And if you still believe an intelligent/logical discussion is possible, you have to know that person has some more serious problems inside that shouldn't be adressed here on Flyertalk.

Somebody a bit more suspicious than I am might believe that this flame was allowed to stand because Guava, from the left, is attacking Underpressure who stands on the right.

Being a fair-minded individual, however, I have to admit that saying "that person has more serious problems inside" is very mild compared to my wondering why debo_nair only used the word "rat" to describe the ambassador and not the murderer.

Dovester:

I saw that and just wrote it off, Doppy and I do not have a problem. He is as far left as I am far right. I think we both gain some empathy because of our interaction here.

I tend to ignore the one shot wonders with SA remarks.

Underpressure, I agree with you. As far as Doppy is concerned, I have no problem with him either.

In fact, I have no problem with the great majority of posters -- right or left -- on Omni.

It is, however, a shame that some feel the need to come in and make remarks like that one.

As we've all seen, Guava can be a little emotional at times but he mostly means well,except when he starts his writing campaign to Randy

I'm not even going to read these four pages of posts. I just know that Dovster is one of the most polite and well-versed contributers of Flyertalk. His generosity to FTers like Mary2e boggle the brain. For those of you with an axe to grind against him, do a little research and see what this kind gentleman did for her on Christmas Day. It's early February and I'm still moved. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I think that's the point Analise some people seem to have an agenda here and probably couldn't care less how nice or kind any of the posters are that are being targeted http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif. I try to stay out of these threads but sometimes I just can't resist tossing in my two cents worth when decent contributors (at least based on what they have posted IMO) are being bullied - at least that's the way it reads to me, YMMV... With that said I'm off to get a life http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I am amazed that this thread that was started by an impersonator for the simple purpose of flaming another member is now 5 pages long.

Randy, all that I can say is please shut it down.

I disagree with your assessment of Dovster due to his past personal attacks and slander about me. For my reasoning, please read the earlier posts. However, I do disagree with whoever that started this thread under an assumed name.

Firstly, I want to announce my pride in being the subject of the only thread started by the hoaxter which was allowed to remain up. Take THAT, Oz and Punki!

Now, to be even more perverse, I am going to disagree with Analise (who defended me) and agree with ChaseTheMiles (who despises me).

Analise, I just happen to live in a land which has a lot of meaning to people of all religions. What I did at Christmas time would have been the subject of a polite "thank you" and nothing more if I had done something similar in Detroit or Philadelphia.

ChaseTheMiles is 100% correct in saying I (figuratively) attacked her. In fact, I said so in this very thread long before she came on here.

I did so once, offer absolutely no apologies for it, feel that I was correct in doing so and would do so again if the same circumstances arose. They have not arisen since and thus I have not repeated.

For all this, she claimed (see above in this thread) that I "cyber stalked" her by doing an Omni search on her past postings vis-a-vis Israel.

Yes, I did the search -- and said so when I did it. Does this amount to cyber stalking? Only in her rather active imagination.

Having very little interest in stalking CTM (or doing anything else with her for that matter) I have basically put her out of my mind -- except when she comes on ORP to complain about me.

But my feelings about CTM (and obviously her feelings about me) are based on things we posted under our own names. They are not the result of falling for tricks by anonymous hoaxters out to cause hard feelings in the FT community.

I am not the real target of ftomnibox. OzStamps, Punki, the mods, etc are not the real target of TalkTeam.

The real target is FT in general and if you let anything they (actually, in my opinion, "he" -- a single hoaxter) posted influence you against any other FT member you will be giving him exactly what he wants.

Dovster, you were wrong to attack me, and you are still wrong to continue. But, as I said in an earlier post, despite your argumentative posts, vicious attacks based on baseless claims, and suspiciously stalker-like behavior, I suggested that you get a life and make peace. I would have left it at that. As the moderators and TOS have recommended, I've always considered it a higher form to ignore posts that are deliberately provoking. My personal belief is that it takes a greater person to be able to walk away. However, if you ever continue your personal attacks on me, I will not hesitate to defend myself.




[This message has been edited by ChaseTheMiles (edited Feb 03, 2004).]

Precisely, Dovster.

The one thing that you, I, Oz and Gaucho seem to have in common is that we stick by our guns, no matter how much mud folks decide to throw our way.

Additionally, we all have the ability to laugh at ourselves.

Now what type of person would find those qualities offensive?

Interesting.

The difference with your thread is that it has no embarrassing moderator posts. I suspect that that is why it still stands.



[This message has been edited by Punki (edited Feb 03, 2004).]

What’s with this statement??? Paranoia reigns supreme.....

One that can't spell?

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Or type even. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

I thought this thread had died a somewhat peaceful death four days ago?

He/She who started this thing back up again shall be condemmed to a non-Economy Plus United 747 seat on a SFO-SYD flight for the duration of one roundtrip. Failure to appear at said flight shall result in an Airtran Frequent Flyer account being opend up in your name. Need I say anymore?

Where did you see paranoia in her comments? She is just stipulating future action/reaction and hypothetical scenarios.

Unlike Pres. Bush and Ashcroft, she did not state that there is a terrorist behind every bush or that she sees people following her right now. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Okay. Get ready to defend yourself.

1. How does an Omni search on a particular topic equate to "suspiciously stalker-like behavior" except in a rather fevered imagination?

2. You would have "left it at that"? Why didn't you? Much earlier in this thread you came on here spilling your cup of bile. I responded then and haven't posted a word about you since (or, thankfully, even given you a thought). Why did you suddenly start this up again if you would have "left it at that?"

Dovster, you and CTM need to mellow out. It won't do you two any harm. Cease and desist! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

I think CTM doesn't realize that your journalistic tendancies extend to FlyerTalk too and "researchlite" is not stalking as far as journalists or most public figures are concerned.

Thanks for the contributions to the topic of a timeout for Dovster. Some of this could have easily been mailed in but understand the ease of posting on this forum. I'm taking this all into account now and will make a determination. It will not be announced to the Community.

In the future, please address similar concerns in private email to me. That will help ensure my attention rather than me trying to make my way to front of a possible public lynching.