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CameraGuy Nov 25, 2003 5:57 pm

1. There is a REAL name in your post.

2. I'm not saying that your's or ScottC's posts are in violation. I don't honestly think they are.

3. I am just looking for consistency. Both of the posts contain(ed) real information. If one is a violation, then so is the other. By the same token, if one is not, then neither is the other.

I have no beef with you at all. My beef is with the fact that someone e-mailed ScottC about his post, but did not e-mail you. Unless that someone is Randy then I honestly think that ScottC erred.

gleff Nov 25, 2003 7:24 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
2. I'm not saying that your's or ScottC's posts are in violation. I don't honestly think they are.</font>
Then perhaps you should drop it?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I have no beef with you at all. My beef is with the fact that someone e-mailed ScottC about his post, but did not e-mail you. Unless that someone is Randy then I honestly think that ScottC erred.</font>
I disagree. I have backchannel conversations with other FTers all the time. If someone ever asked me to edit something that I had written, and they had a legitimate reason (note, this has nothing to do with the TOS) I'd probably edit it. That's just a courtesy. Nothing wrong with doing a courtesy for a fellow member. Period.

CameraGuy Nov 25, 2003 7:35 pm

I clearly see the usual inconsistent actions being taken here. That is why I do not drop it.

ScottC clearly states that he edited it due to someone pointing out that his post was a TOS violation.

So, the bottom line is that either ScottC erred, or your post should be edited.


gleff Nov 25, 2003 7:38 pm

Or someone had a concern. Legitimate or not with respect to the TOS.

But if there's little substantive benefit to a post, and someone is uncomfortable with it, why not edit it? Seems like basic getting along kind of stuff to me.

I take it ScottC was basically being a gentleman rather than conceding a violation of the rules on his part.

In any case, I don't think anyone is worse off for ScottC's personal decision.

CameraGuy Nov 25, 2003 7:46 pm

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I see a double standard. Someone asked ScottC to edit his post, but did not ask you to edit yours.

As I stated earlier, my beef is not with you. My beef is with the double standard.

ozstamps Nov 25, 2003 8:55 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by geo1005:

I love all websites associated with travel and miles and point and airlines! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Is there any doubt that Randy is the frequent-flyer guru?

I think not!

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Nope, no doubt in my mind on that one either. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

I have never seen Randy criticise or bag ANY other flyer bulletin board in the past. Or EVER attempt to stifle or censor discussion on them.

I guess he knows the Flyertalk is soooooo far ahead of the rest of the bunch that the track record clearly speaks for itself. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

It is like eBay. Get in first with a model that works and stays working, and the 20 wannabe start-ups that want to take you on all vanish without trace. No matter who is behind them.

And I suspect any new Flyer board anyone may commence will have such a minor impact on FT that you will need a micrometer to measure it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif


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~ Glen ~ sipping bubbly from UA 747-400 exit row 15A near you SOON!

Xyzzy Nov 26, 2003 7:41 am

I find it VERY hard to believe that going on to the second page of this topic, after all the whining about the terms of service violations and issues with moderation, that NOBODY has edited the second post to remove the private information posted there. I refer specifically to an individual's name.

This is a disgrace.

I urge gleff or Randy (or the other administrators) to do so at once!

magic111 Nov 26, 2003 8:04 am

Since I have also met everyone who is either discussing this or being discussed I also feel the the personal name should be removed.
In fact in other fora moderators have asked that unless you have been asked or permitted to use their proper name they prefer that you do not.

gleff Nov 26, 2003 8:58 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by xyzzy:
This is a disgrace.</font>
I think that's going a little bit overboard, but as I said if there was a concern or request for me to edit, I would do so.

I've never met NJDavid or spoken with him, so I actually still don't know whether the last name posted was his or not. Since all the other information was clearly made up, I thought it likely that the name was made up too.

gleff Nov 26, 2003 9:01 am

For what it's worth, we post news stories all the time which quote Flyertalkers. We often identify the Flyertalkers by handle. And of course the stories almost always include the person's real name.

Quote a news article with a persons name it seems to me is no different than quoted a whois query with a persons name.

CameraGuy Nov 26, 2003 9:22 am

I agree 100%.

That is why it is bothersome that a member decided to ask ScottC to edit one post and not both.

The clear double standard is ridiculous.

Football Fan Nov 26, 2003 9:35 am

I just wanted to say that it is really easy to do a whois query, so it is not really like the name posted was confidential. It's in the public domain anyway, I would think. No offense to anyone.

ScottC Nov 26, 2003 9:40 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
I agree 100%.

That is why it is bothersome that a member decided to ask ScottC to edit one post and not both.

The clear double standard is ridiculous.
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CameraGuy, there is no double standard, I wasn't ordered to remove it, nor was the request nasty, it was a very polite request to remove something and I obliged.

JeremyZ Nov 26, 2003 10:25 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by attorney28:
I just wanted to say that it is really easy to do a whois query, so it is not really like the name posted was confidential. It's in the public domain anyway, I would think. No offense to anyone.</font>
Aaaaand the name in question is one that is fairly well known on FT. Hell, the owner of the name has put it out on the forums on a number of occasions.

xyzzy, no need to get hysterical over this. It's simply not any type of invasion of privacy when we've had danto.com stuff on FlyerTalk for years from NJDavid.

NJDavid's profile email is @nonepass.com, which gives us the same information flyerralk.org does. Not only is this not "private" information, but these are activist sites directly related to the topic of this community. I think we have a right to know who's behind sites of interest to, and specifically targeted at Flyertalkers.

CameraGuy Nov 26, 2003 10:37 am

ScottC,

The double standard is the person who asked you to edit did not ask Gleff to edit.


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