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JRF Jan 6, 2004 8:50 am

I guess it is time to start thinking about this again? I am attacked by trolls almost every time I post now in the DL forum. I also see the problem has spread to many other forums.... I think the problem is actually only a few people posting under 30 or so multiple user names... the problem is to the point that FT takes too much time to read to sort through all the attacks.

ScottC Jan 6, 2004 9:24 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JRF:
I guess it is time to start thinking about this again? I am attacked by trolls almost every time I post now in the DL forum. I also see the problem has spread to many other forums.... I think the problem is actually only a few people posting under 30 or so multiple user names... the problem is to the point that FT takes too much time to read to sort through all the attacks.</font>
I don't know the whole history here but it seems like some on the DL board think YOU are the troll and are demanding a timeout for YOU here..

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../009906-5.html



JRF Jan 6, 2004 10:01 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC:
I don't know the whole history here but it seems like some on the DL board think YOU are the troll and are demanding a timeout for YOU here..

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../009906-5.html

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If you read the entire thread (it is a long one) you will see that the people who tend to have the problems with me are the people who think DL is perfect. We all know no airlines is perfect, but the trolls post only to flame and defend DL to no end. Then, in the next post, under a different user name, they argue with themselfs.

Actually, I spoke directly to Randy about one of the people in the beginning of that thread and as a result that person was banished from FT. Although, he is now back using multiple user names.


JRF Jan 6, 2004 10:03 am

ScottC, the issue is about trolls and multiple user names. If I am one as you infer, then a verification system would put an end to me! So you should be for it!

ScottC Jan 6, 2004 10:39 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JRF:
ScottC, the issue is about trolls and multiple user names. If I am one as you infer, then a verification system would put an end to me! So you should be for it!</font>
Trolls are about as annoying as people who launch personal attacks.

findmeinfirst Jan 6, 2004 10:42 am

All this would only cost a dollar? I would definetly pay a dollar for that!

hfly Jan 6, 2004 12:11 pm

Without even reviewing the thread in question, I must say that in order to be fair to JRF, he has been egged on and attacked quite a lot for awhile now. He may have lost his cool several times, but from what I have read over the mid-term past, he is often drawn into it.

cactuspete Jan 6, 2004 1:35 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC:
Trolls are about as annoying as people who launch personal attacks.</font>
ScottC, as you are well aware, it is often the second guy into the fray that suffers the punishment.

RSSrsvp Jan 6, 2004 3:46 pm

There is a major problem with trolls and people posting under multiple handles on the DL board. JRF is being targeted by certain posters. Everyone has a boiling point, and he has probably reached it.

Canarsie Jan 6, 2004 3:50 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JRF:
I know the ethos of FT has been free to everyone, but would a $1 one time charge to activate a user name really be that big of an issue.</font>
...in other words, you are proposing a Troll Toll.

RSSrsvp Jan 7, 2004 6:44 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Canarsie:
...in other words, you are proposing a Troll Toll.</font>
Canarsie a one time charge of $1.00 to belong to a board such as FT is a totally reasonable request. It would weed out the people that post under multiple handles that have disrupted the boards.

SEA_Tigger Jan 7, 2004 10:31 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rssrsvp:
Canarsie a one time charge of $1.00 to belong to a board such as FT is a totally reasonable request. It would weed out the people that post under multiple handles that have disrupted the boards. </font>
Would it? If I really enjoyed cheesing people off, is $1.00 really going to be a detterent?

The only way it possibly could be is a "three-strikes and you're out rule" with a warning for strike one, a two-week suspension for strike two, and permanent ban of that account for strike three.

Of course, this forum would be flooded with complaints about moderator's actions, as people protested their warnings and (when they come back) suspensions.

And in the end, it's only $1. So as my accounts are suspended and terminated, I can just start all over. It's only $1. If I really like cheesing people off, it's a small price to pay.

And yes, I believe their have been (and currently are) FTers who really do enjoy cheesing people off. People with thousands of posts to their names.

Going to $10 with the above three-strikes rules probably would put a serious dent in the number of "trolls", but it would also put a serious dent in the number of posters, I imagine.

One year and 3000+ posts in, I'd happily pay $10 a month for this service, much less $10 period. But that is because I have come to see how (generally) valuable this service is to me. But just coming in cold and being asked to pay $10... I might not have anted-up...

JRF Jan 7, 2004 10:45 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SEA_Tigger:
Would it? If I really enjoyed cheesing people off, is $1.00 really going to be a detterent?

The only way it possibly could be is a "three-strikes and you're out rule" with a warning for strike one, a two-week suspension for strike two, and permanent ban of that account for strike three.

Of course, this forum would be flooded with complaints about moderator's actions, as people protested their warnings and (when they come back) suspensions.

And in the end, it's only $1. So as my accounts are suspended and terminated, I can just start all over. It's only $1. If I really like cheesing people off, it's a small price to pay.

And yes, I believe their have been (and currently are) FTers who really do enjoy cheesing people off. People with thousands of posts to their names.

Going to $10 with the above three-strikes rules probably would put a serious dent in the number of "trolls", but it would also put a serious dent in the number of posters, I imagine.

One year and 3000+ posts in, I'd happily pay $10 a month for this service, much less $10 period. But that is because I have come to see how (generally) valuable this service is to me. But just coming in cold and being asked to pay $10... I might not have anted-up...
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Pleas read this thread from start to finish. The $1.00 vs. $10.00 arguement is meaningless. The $1.00 is used soley to cover any verifcation fees which may exist. Once you are verified, it becomes more difficult to register with a second name as verfication in most cases will show you are already registered.

ScottC Jan 7, 2004 10:59 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JRF:
Pleas read this thread from start to finish. The $1.00 vs. $10.00 arguement is meaningless. The $1.00 is used soley to cover any verifcation fees which may exist. Once you are verified, it becomes more difficult to register with a second name as verfication in most cases will show you are already registered.</font>
Prepaid credit cards, virtual account numbers, one of the other 20 credit cards you usually have, the neighbours credit cards, your sons credit card etc... etc...

RSSrsvp Jan 7, 2004 11:14 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC:
Prepaid credit cards, virtual account numbers, one of the other 20 credit cards you usually have, the neighbours credit cards, your sons credit card etc... etc...</font>
They would have the same person's last name and that would put a red flag on the poster until it is checked out. Some of the examples that you have given are a little far fetched. I seriously doubt if my neighbors will give me their CC to register. Scott, there is always a way to beat the system, but this would eliminate the majority of the problem makers.


Canarsie Jan 7, 2004 11:45 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rssrsvp:
Canarsie a one time charge of $1.00 to belong to a board such as FT is a totally reasonable request. It would weed out the people that post under multiple handles that have disrupted the boards. </font>
I am not disputing whether the Troll Toll is reasonable or unreasonable, nor am I stating my position on either side of the issue.

I was merely providing an attempt at levity when I called the Attacks Tax the Troll Toll, that’s all.

findmeinfirst Jan 7, 2004 12:53 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SEA_Tigger:
And yes, I believe their have been (and currently are) FTers who really do enjoy cheesing people off. People with thousands of posts to their names.

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I agree there are currently people who have been here for years and are so bitter that thier real enjoyment is to attack. Especially those who have different views from there own.

JRF Jan 7, 2004 1:07 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by findmeinfirst:
I agree there are currently people who have been here for years and are so bitter that thier real enjoyment is to attack. Especially those who have different views from there own.</font>
TO GET THE THREAD BACK ON TRACK.... it is veering &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

This issue is about verification system and stopping members from having multiple user names.

JeremyZ Jan 8, 2004 1:49 pm

I am not confident that the board operators currently use all of their available resources to "uncover" multiple-handle trolls.

Not a criticism, but I think the $$-based verification system could be an easier sell if Randy & Co. exploited their current assets more assertively.

I assume they have better things to do, and I don't know that a few thousand bucks will really change their priorities, regardless of this incremental level of new information.

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