+1. ^

Look at the ticket image posted by KVS as example. The full routing with AUH transits only:

LHE EY x/AUH EY MUC (NUC Fare) EY x/AUH EY LHE...

The full routing with stopovers should be:

LHE EY AUH EY MUC (NUC Fare) EY AUH EY LHE...

Those are two different routings. ;)

That is not the issue. The point being made is whether or not it is a 'change in routing' which - based on any normal usage and interpretation of the English language - cannot possibly be the case. If the ticket needs to be "re-issued" for whatever reason, so be it but it is not a change in routing and therefore there should be no $125 fee for a re-routing. If QF (or anybody else) wants to extract a fee for having to re-issue the ticket, that's up to them (and just another reason to avoid QF ticketing).

Suggest you read KVS's post above.

Totally wrong there - if a transit changes to a stopover it IS a change in routing.

LHR-x/JFK-LAX is actually a LHR-LAX that just happens to transit via JFK. LHR-JFK-LAX is actually LHR-JFK as well as JFK-LAX, so a totally different routing, and therefore the ticket reissue would apply.

I can't see how going the other way would work though, changing a LHR-JFK-LAX to LHR-x/JFK-LAX would require a reissue, it is the same as having a stopover lasting four hours or so.....

Dave

So Dave, are you saying changing from a (definite) stopover to a (brief) stopover - i.e. transit, DOES require a re-issue?

No, I am saying it SHOULDN'T.

As far as ticketing goes, there is a big difference between changing a transit to a stopover. Taxes need to be recalculated, and so on.

Changing a stopover to a transit does not involve this, and will sometimes result in the taxes being reduced (particularly in the UK) which may result in extra revenue to the airline (if they forget to remit the savings to the passenger).

Dave

Spot on. ^

For example, if you are ticketed in C for

ZRH BA x/LHR BA JFK

Changing it to stopover at LHR will require a reissue to

ZRH BA LHR BA JFK

The computer will recalculate tax, adding at least $130 LHR APD. Then check HIP (Higher Intermediate Point) and stopover rules on your fare. You can be paying thousands more.

I found two most difficult concepts for infrequent flyers to grasp are:

1) Change from transit to stopover at the same airport is a re-route.

2) Change date/time of your first segment requires re-ticketing at then current applicable fare.

These apply to all tickets.

OK. Good.
This thread has educated me on the intricacies of what can consitute a re-route. Lesson learnt is when setting up a xONEx always schedule stopovers not transits (unless you're dealing with points in the continent of origin where the rule on stopovers can force you to schedule transits)
Thanks to all for the knowledge.

You may wish to apply for a refund -- as mentioned above, there is no minimum time requirement for a stopover (unless dictated by Fare Rules).

... another exception to this is where a local levy component for a stopover may be onerous.

e.g. UK APD - currently it is £80 for a D/AONEx but soon to be between £90 and £110 for most non European destinations (£120 and £170 from later next year).

Ahh, the gool old UK APD. This is why I usually get the train across to Paris, spend a couple of days there, then route CDG-x/LHR-SYD (I don't save much, but it gives me an excuse to go to Paris - no lounge at CDG though. :( )

Dave

Aye, thanks everyone for the useful information on this and thanks thadocta

Good tip! :)^

I just changed some dates from stopover to transit and others from transit to stopover and AA reissued without so much as a whimper.

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We were not debating taxes, we were debating if changing a transit to a stopover should mean a $125 fee for a route change.

With e-tickets every change now leads to a reissue but only routing changes or changes to the first flight will lead to a reissue fee. Changing the first flight (in addition) will lead to a reissue at the new rates. I believe adding a continent does too.