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747-444 Nov 21, 2008 6:10 pm

Is this DONE4 routing acceptable?
 
Hey,

Please will you chaps OK this for me or give pointers. I am not sure how similiar triangular tickets are to true RTW tickets.

JNB-PLZ-JNB-LHR-BRU-LHR-JFK-MCO-ORD-SEA-LAX-SYD-MEL-BRISBANE-MEL-SYD-JNB?

Is that routing OK?

christep Nov 21, 2008 6:20 pm

No - fails at the second sector: you can't travel via the point of origin. Otherwise fine as far as I can see.

747-444 Nov 21, 2008 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by christep (Post 10793205)
No - fails at the second sector: you can't travel via the point of origin. Otherwise fine as far as I can see.

So I would need to start outside of JNB?

Say PLZ-JNB-ETC?

christep Nov 21, 2008 6:26 pm

There are many ways to do it. The key point is you can't return to the starting city until the end of the trip.

serfty Nov 21, 2008 6:32 pm

You can plug your planned itinerary into the "Oneworld Explorer Validator" function of "MileageMonkey" to check.

Gardyloo Nov 21, 2008 6:32 pm


Originally Posted by christep (Post 10793205)
No - fails at the second sector: you can't travel via the point of origin. Otherwise fine as far as I can see.


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10793211)
So I would need to start outside of JNB?

Say PLZ-JNB-ETC?

Yes.

There's also a second problem, SEA-LAX is not on Oneworld metal (Alaska codeshare) thus not eligible for the Oneworld Explorer.

However your proposed route is less than 34,000 miles (around 31,500) so it would qualify for a Global Explorer 34,000 mile business class ticket (same price as a DONE4.) Alaska Airlines is now allowed for the GlobEx, so your route could fit within those product's rules. You might consult the Oneworld website about this.

Note too if you didn't want to transit LHR a second time AA flies nonstop BRU-JFK.

DownUnderFlyer Nov 22, 2008 4:43 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 10793240)
Yes.

There's also a second problem, SEA-LAX is not on Oneworld metal (Alaska codeshare) thus not eligible for the Oneworld Explorer.

However your proposed route is less than 34,000 miles (around 31,500) so it would qualify for a Global Explorer 34,000 mile business class ticket (same price as a DONE4.) Alaska Airlines is now allowed for the GlobEx, so your route could fit within those product's rules. You might consult the Oneworld website about this.

Note too if you didn't want to transit LHR a second time AA flies nonstop BRU-JFK.

And if the OP really wants a DONE4 (for whatever reason) he could go SEA-DFW-LAX instead and then must utilize your suggestion of BRU-JFK to stay within the 16 segment limit.

The OP could also go LAX-MEL direct rather than LAX-SYD-MEL.

pandaperth Nov 22, 2008 1:30 pm


Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer (Post 10794485)
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The OP could also go LAX-MEL direct rather than LAX-SYD-MEL.

And this could be on QF's A380

DownUnderFlyer Nov 22, 2008 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 10796294)
And this could be on QF's A380

Both could.

747-444 Nov 23, 2008 9:17 am


Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer (Post 10796535)
Both could.

This is very much my intention.

Is it possible to use AA miles to upgrade a one of my rtw flights? I would like to upgrade the A380 flight to F, can I do this?

pjoalfa Nov 23, 2008 11:10 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10799455)
This is very much my intention.

Is it possible to use AA miles to upgrade a one of my rtw flights? I would like to upgrade the A380 flight to F, can I do this?

Regrettably, no. You can only use AA miles to upgrade AA metal.

747-444 Nov 23, 2008 11:31 am


Originally Posted by pjoalfa (Post 10799993)
Regrettably, no. You can only use AA miles to upgrade AA metal.

I am sure AA and QF codeshare this flight, what happens if I get on a flight with an AA flight number? Can I then use my AA miles to upgrade?

Gardyloo Nov 23, 2008 1:30 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10800085)
I am sure AA and QF codeshare this flight, what happens if I get on a flight with an AA flight number? Can I then use my AA miles to upgrade?

Negatory. AA upgrades only on AA metal.

747-444 Nov 23, 2008 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 10800590)
Negatory. AA upgrades only on AA metal.

Argh there goes my hopes of getting on the QF A380 in F. GRRRRRR.

anc305 Nov 24, 2008 4:52 am

Since this thread is a routing question and been answered and deals with Africa as a starting point , could someone give me their view on the following. I called the AA RTW and did not get a real experienced rep. I want to make sure this is still valid with all the new rules and interpretations before I call back to dispute it.

JNB-LHR-DFW(STOP)-EZE(STOP)-JFK-HKG(STOP)-SYD(STOP)-LHR(STOP)-DXB(STOP)-LHR(STOP)-IST(STOP)-LHR(STOP)-NBO

I believe it is legal but I have never done this before.

Thanks

anc305

christep Nov 24, 2008 5:48 am

No - you have two entries to Europe, which is allowed only if one of them is a transit to or from one of the permitted African countries. Your Europe transit is from S Africa (not one of the exception countries).

If you swapped NBO and JNB it would be a valid xONE6.

This is unaffected by any rule changes in the last 5 years.

serfty Nov 24, 2008 3:40 pm

See post #5 about the useful tool provided for use by SLF and developed by hauteboy.

Originally Posted by serfty (Post 10793239)
You can plug your planned itinerary into the "Oneworld Explorer Validator" function of "MileageMonkey" to check.


satprof Nov 25, 2008 3:06 am


Originally Posted by anc305 (Post 10803316)
Since this thread is a routing question and been answered and deals with Africa as a starting point , could someone give me their view on the following. I called the AA RTW and did not get a real experienced rep. I want to make sure this is still valid with all the new rules and interpretations before I call back to dispute it.

JNB-LHR-DFW(STOP)-EZE(STOP)-JFK-HKG(STOP)-SYD(STOP)-LHR(STOP)-DXB(STOP)-LHR(STOP)-IST(STOP)-LHR(STOP)-NBO

I believe it is legal but I have never done this before.

Thanks

anc305

This would be legal (as an xONE6) as long as you do the Europe/Middle East segments before moving on to the Western Hemisphere, as well as not stopping-over at LHR before going on to NBO:
JNB-LHR(STOP)-DXB(STOP)-LHR(STOP)-IST(STOP)-LHR-DFW(STOP)-EZE(STOP)-JFK-HKG(STOP)-SYD(STOP)-LHR-NBO. This is almost 58500 flown miles and you could still add 4 more segments (although not in Europe, where you have used your 4).

You could also return to JNB directly from SYD, gaining another spare segment but losing 8000 miles.

747-444 Nov 25, 2008 8:53 am

Can I fly on an AA codeshre during a DONE4?
 
I am going to land up in Seattle as part of my RTW and need to get to LAX to fly to Sydney, can I then get on that Alaska Airlines code share with an AA flight number, will they accept that?

Alternatively any suggestions?

Gardyloo Nov 25, 2008 9:25 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10810530)
I am going to land up in Seattle as part of my RTW and need to get to LAX to fly to Sydney, can I then get on that Alaska Airlines code share with an AA flight number, will they accept that?

Alternatively any suggestions?

No, no AS metal allowed with any xONEx products. It's okay with a DGLOB34 (Global Explorer) however, since AS is included as an eligible carrier. There are no eligible Oneworld transpacific departures from SEA at all.

To save hassle and cost, you might think about SFO-SYD as SFO is easier to transit and the AS connections to/from SEA are easier too. I despise the AS operation at LAX.

jerry a. laska Nov 25, 2008 10:38 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10810530)
I am going to land up in Seattle as part of my RTW and need to get to LAX to fly to Sydney, can I then get on that Alaska Airlines code share with an AA flight number, will they accept that?

Alternatively any suggestions?

See also this post in one of your other threads concerning this planned rtw.

Mwenenzi Nov 25, 2008 2:23 pm

Merge threads
 

Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 10810734)
No, no AS metal allowed with any xONEx products. It's okay with a DGLOB34 (Global Explorer) however, since AS is included as an eligible carrier. There are no eligible Oneworld transpacific departures from SEA at all.

To save hassle and cost, you might think about SFO-SYD as SFO is easier to transit and the AS connections to/from SEA are easier too. I despise the AS operation at LAX.

This reply is same as Gardyloo reply in the other thread.

Best if these 2 threads were merged as about one possible itinerary. Asking the same question twice won't get a different answer.

747-444 Nov 25, 2008 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 10810734)
No, no AS metal allowed with any xONEx products. It's okay with a DGLOB34 (Global Explorer) however, since AS is included as an eligible carrier. There are no eligible Oneworld transpacific departures from SEA at all.

To save hassle and cost, you might think about SFO-SYD as SFO is easier to transit and the AS connections to/from SEA are easier too. I despise the AS operation at LAX.

I want to fly on the A380.

SFO777 Nov 25, 2008 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10810530)
I am going to land up in Seattle as part of my RTW and need to get to LAX to fly to Sydney, can I then get on that Alaska Airlines code share with an AA flight number, will they accept that?

Alternatively any suggestions?

If you have to pay for SEA-LAX anyway, I would fly VX instead of AS, in either class but especially in F.

747-444 Nov 26, 2008 3:07 am

On a one world global explorer and a DONE4, my travel agent keeps saying domestically in the US the ticket must be issued for Y class not A/P.

Is she correct?

christep Nov 26, 2008 3:14 am

Domestically in the US, a DONEn books into A (first) on 2-class flights, D (business) on 3-class flights, and Y (economy) on single class flights.

If there is no availability in A on a 2-class or D on a 3-class then you can get L (economy) if available.

Why are you using a travel agent with no expertise in these tickets? I would recommend setting them up through the AA RTW desk.

SFO777 Nov 26, 2008 4:12 am


Originally Posted by christep (Post 10815636)
Why are you using a travel agent with no expertise in these tickets? I would recommend setting them up through the AA RTW desk.

+1

747-444 Nov 26, 2008 4:30 am


Originally Posted by christep (Post 10815636)
Domestically in the US, a DONEn books into A (first) on 2-class flights, D (business) on 3-class flights, and Y (economy) on single class flights.

If there is no availability in A on a 2-class or D on a 3-class then you can get L (economy) if available.

Why are you using a travel agent with no expertise in these tickets? I would recommend setting them up through the AA RTW desk.

Very long story. And this bloody agent is charging me 8% commission on the ticket price. A fool and his money are soon parted.

SFO777 Nov 26, 2008 4:42 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10815820)
Very long story. And this bloody agent is charging me 8% commission on the ticket price. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Using the words "is charging me" as opposed to "charged me" suggests that perhaps you haven't pulled the trigger yet. If that is indeed the case, I would definitely dump the TA and book thru the AA RTW desk.

serfty Nov 26, 2008 4:18 pm

On a single class AeAgle flights (AA Flights 3000-5599) it books into Y for A/DONEx's.

747-444 Nov 27, 2008 2:33 pm

Hey chaps, apologies for coming back to this so often.

I have ascertained I can not start in JNB and fly back to it and then out of SA.

What happens thou if I start in PLZ and do this,

PLZ-JNB-CPT-JNB-LHR-NYC-ETC ETC ETC.

Gardyloo Nov 27, 2008 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10823502)
Hey chaps, apologies for coming back to this so often.

I have ascertained I can not start in JNB and fly back to it and then out of SA.

What happens thou if I start in PLZ and do this,

PLZ-JNB-CPT-JNB-LHR-NYC-ETC ETC ETC.

Asked and answered. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...40&postcount=6

jerry a. laska Nov 27, 2008 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 10823502)
Hey chaps, apologies for coming back to this so often.

I have ascertained I can not start in JNB and fly back to it and then out of SA.

What happens thou if I start in PLZ and do this,

PLZ-JNB-CPT-JNB-LHR-NYC-ETC ETC ETC.

Yes. See, e.g., this earlier post in this thread.

747-444 Nov 30, 2008 6:43 pm

LHR-JFK in J on BA or AA, on AA I get miles.
 
I am going to fly LHR-JFK in the coming months in J. I have flown BA J a number of times but I have never had a ride on the new product.

Do I fly on BA across the pond in J and miss out on the miles or go AA and get the miles. Is there much difference between the two products in J, especially to warrant the loss of miles?

AAerSTL Nov 30, 2008 6:47 pm

I haven't experienced the new BA J product, but I prefer NGBC over the older BA J product. However, as for the miles, only you can decide how important ~15-20K miles are to you (depending on bonuses and promotions).

DownUnderFlyer Nov 30, 2008 6:56 pm

This is FT. Go for the flight where you will get the miles.

The updated BA product is nice, but not much different to the old one which already was quite good anyway.

747-444 Nov 30, 2008 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer (Post 10834934)
This is FT. Go for the flight where you will get the miles.

The updated BA product is nice, but not much different to the old one which already was quite good anyway.

How does it compare to AA in J?

stratofortress Nov 30, 2008 7:55 pm

IMHO, JFK-LHR is a short enough flight that the difference between AA & BA isn't significant enough to warrant losing the EQM.

BA J is nice because of the flat seats, but I actually found that I sleep just as well on AA. Their "wedgie" seats don't seem to bother me as much as those from SQ, AF and others...

Dave Noble Nov 30, 2008 8:15 pm

I would suggest just taking the AA daytime flight. The AA seat is pretty decent for a daytime flight and can earn miles. The BA seat is better for night flights

Dave

Supersonic Swinger Nov 30, 2008 8:50 pm

Agree with Dave Noble - if you were flying overnight JFK-LHR, pick BA because it's a fully flat bed and on the Sleeper Service you eat dinner in the lounge before and then get about 7 hours sleep. As you're flying the other way, you'll probably stay awake the whole flight so a fully flat bed is less critical - and the miles are!


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