Overview of Oneworld Ruby Status
 

As announced in this thread, I have finished the overview of OW Ruby.

I have uploaded the chart on my homepage (Click here).

I have used the same layout for this chart I have used also for the Emerald and Sapphire Overview.

If you have any suggestion or if you find anything wrong, feel free to post is. As in the other threads, I am looking especially for data on Malev and Royal Jordanian, since the information available on their webpages are not the most informative ones.

But of course any form of feedback is highly appreciated since I am only Blue with BA.

I am also open for suggestion of points I should change or highlight in the overview.

Jan

Hi FLYGVA,

Congratulations on completing the Oneworld comparison charts!
It's really a great contribution to the FT community! (applause)


Again hoping you don't mind, may I comment as follows:

Miles / KM / points need for status [Year / 12 Month]
30 k / 30seg + 10k + 4 JAL flights (for JMB Crystal qualification)
Automatic if JGC member

Miles / KM / Points need for requalification
30 k / 30seg + 10k + 4 JAL flights (for JMB Crystal qualification)
Automatic if JGC member

% Bonus for Elite:
Both items below on JAL flights only:
50% - if with JMB Crystal qualifications
25% - if JGC member BUT not JMB Crystal, AND flyon points are less than 20K

Upgrade domestic / continental
4 certs

Upgrade international
1 cert

Lounge Access
Domestic : Y (5 domestic lounge entries for 5k mls, automatic if JGC member)
International : Y if JGC member

Lifetime status
Y if JGC member and JGC fees paid yearly

Others
>10 kg / 1 p luggage if with JMB Crystal qualifications
>20 kg / 2 p luggage if JGC member


You may have noticed that being a JGC (JAL Global Club) member makes things rather complicated. While checking the JMB program conditions for OW Ruby, I noticed some other additional comments / corrections needed for the Sapphire chart:


Miles / KM / points need for status [Year / 12 Month]
50k / 50seg + 15k + 4 JAL flights (for JMB Sapphire qualification)
20K / 30seg + 10K + 4 JAL flights if JGC member

Miles / KM / Points need for requalification
50k / 50seg + 15k + 4 JAL flights (for JMB Sapphire qualification)
20K / 30seg + 10K + 4 JAL flights if JGC member

% Bonus for Elite:
All items below on JAL flights only:
100% - if with full JMB Sapphire qualifications
50% - if JGC member AND JMB Crystal
25% - if JGC member BUT not JMB Crystal, AND flyon points are more than 20K but less than 30K


It seems very much that JGC is like a "premium version" of the JMB program; it may make information easier to arrange if a separate column in each of the OW Sapphire / Ruby charts is made for JGC membership.

Thank you very much, also for your feedback. Your very detailed feedback according to JAL was much appreciated. In the first time, I did not really understand the JGC membership, but after some rereading today, the penny has finally dropped.

I have decided to keep it in one column, since you could only join JGC after you have already qualified for Sapphire once in your life if I am correct. But I have used a different colour (red) for the JGC benefits.

And I have added, that as JGC you are at least JGC Crystal if you pay the annual fee of 5k

Yep, the color does make things easier to understand.

One last minor change is needed though, I think lifetime status for JGC members only applies for OW Ruby, because you are automatically Ruby even if you do not earn a single mile as long as you pay the JGC fee.

For OW Emerald and OW Sapphire however, technically there is no lifetime status as you will have to earn 80K / 20K miles respectively each year as a JGC member on top of the JGC fee.

Whew! Complicated isn't it? I don't have experience with other OW programs but JMB's probably the most convoluted one out there.

I have put a footer behind the lifetime status for all three status levels for JGC Crystal to clarify it.

Yep, you are right about JAL being convoluted with some sort of side level you could only reach after you have qualified for a certain regular level.

Anyway, the combination of points / miles or kilometres at oneworld make things not easier, esp. since the number of pts vary betw. the airlines concerning how many you earn (fixe number at BA, according to flewn mls at QF, a combination of both ...)

As Silver or Gold on QF you get an extra luggage allowance of one piece (Piece Concept) or 10kg (Weight Conept).
As Plat you get 15kg.

http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/...atusPrivileges

From Ruby chart for QF (and Emerald & Sapphire charts)

Upgrade international (only home carrier) (one way / one class)

for miles: dep. on distance bw. 12k - 96k pts standby only (one stop fligths count as two, e.g. SYD-SIN-LHR)

Don't agree with this. If ticketed SYD-LHR on one flight number a single upgrade applies for the complete SYD-LHR. It is not split into 2 sectors, even though the aircraft stops in SIN for pax transfers, fuel etc. You cannot apply for an upgrade for part of the ticketed flight (eg SYD-SIN)

But only on QF flights. From the link above in post 6

For QF other in the charts from http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/...atusPrivileges

Ruby & Sapphire:-
Priority check-in (regardless of the class you're flying)#
Qantas Club/ Business counters

Emerald:-
Priority check-in (regardless of the class you're flying)#
Qantas Club/Business/First counters

#Available only on flights with a oneworld® Alliance Airline flight number (Qantas, American Airlines®,British Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Finnair, Iberia, JAL (Japan Airlines), LAN, Malév Hungarian Airlines and Royal Jordanian Airlines) operated by a oneworld® airline.

Do other OW members than AY let Rubies take a guest to their lounges?

JAL according to JMB rules does not, but I have had a couple of times as JMB Crystal and flying on Y wherein JAL let me into the KIX Sakura lounge with guests. Once with 1 guest and another with 2.

Thank you for the input.
I have updated the chart.

I have mentioned the privileges of check in counters in others in the first columne, since this is a general privilege for all ow member airlines.

On QF, this is what I meant.

It would be great if 1W has a similar thing as *A for an extra weight limit for their elites. I use very often the 20kg+ for my *G Card.

JMB update
 

Some updates for JAL Mileage Bank that will become effective come Apr.2009.
A big devaluation from 2008 and even more complexity!:td:

Upgrade domestic / continental / international (one way / one class)

JMB Crystal / JGC Crystal
10 upgrade points + 2 upgrade points per 10K fly on points (FOP) OR 10 flights after qualification

*Upgrade points required for:
domestic : 2 points
international : 5 to 12 points depending on class and route

Just found this thread. Pretty good idea. I think all 3 versions would make good stickies for this forum.

Anyway, to answer the question, when I was CX Silver (OW Ruby), I was allowed to bring my son into the BA Terraces Lounge at JFK. CX contracts with BA for use of that lounge, so it's treated as entering a CX lounge rather than a OW lounge. But I was able to bring my son in, who at the time did not have status with CX. In HKG, however, they wouldn't allow a guest in as Silver (CX gives its own Ruby members lounge access when flying CX) without the necessary 7500 mile deduction.

I have updated the overview.

Since JAL is again very complicated, if might be worth if someone with a deeper knowledge of the programm may doublecheck it.

Just out of curiosity, what happens, if you reach during a year the next membership level? I assume, you will only get the FOP off the highest membership level reached during a year. And no difference between JMB and JGC in this tier.

Thanks for revising the 3 charts; the wording looks OK I think. I don't know however, if the upgrade points that you get from 10K points OR 10 flights (as JAL has put it) are cumulative or exclusive.

(For example, if you take 10 flights between Tokyo and Osaka each earning 1,360 FOP, I don't know yet whether you earn 2 upgrade points for the 10 flights, or 2 points for the additional 13,600 FOP, or 4 points because you earned more than 10K points and also had 10 flights)

You get the FOP and upgrade points based on the highest membership level and mileage that you attain in the previous year.

Seat Selection
 

Can anyone tell me if as a Ruby I get advance seat selection on and OW carriers? I don't mind sitting in steerage if I can get an exit row, but to fly JFK-HKG on CX again might induce dwarfism.

Thanks much.

Although not a published benefit, CX is usually very good at letting OW elites to make ASRs (exit rows too).

Ruby AY is at max 12M NOT 24M

I have updated the thread with Mexicana and also the news in the AY program (sorry for the delay) and made some other small adjustments ...

As everytime, you input is much appreciated, esp. since it took me a bit longer than expected (it was scheduled for November 2009).

Of course, a look at the other program is also much appreciated.

Thanks

Very good to hear. What about JAL? RJ? I've heard that only OW airlines based out of english-speaking countries (AA, BA, QF) recognize OW Status for a bump. Anyone know about this on JAL? I currently live in Japan and I probably fly with them more than AA.

Some changes for JAL Mileage Bank Crystal / JGC Crystal

Miles / KM / points need for status [Year / 12 Month]
and Miles / KM / Points need for requalification
[ 30 k / 30seg + 10k ] +4 JAL flights
<no longer automatic for JGC member so no need for the text in red>

Lifetime status (for JGC members)
OW Sapphire (if JGC fees paid)

KIXman, thank for the heads up.

I have updated the overview. Seems, that JGC got a bit devaluated ... at least from my impression ...

yeah, I feel the same way but for those who don't fly much, it could be an improvement as they are guaranteed OW Sapphire status. (IIRC it was only OW Ruby before)

S7 is now added to the overview.
I have updated the overview with S7 and the data I found on the web. I searched for t&c but found only the ones in Russian Language. Therefore I have no idea how long the miles remain valid and the requirement of flights on S7 if you (re)qualify by miles and not S7 only flights.

I have added BA Bronze to the OW overview of OW Ruby Status FFP and also modified IB.

The other discussion threads are the following ones
Overview of Oneworld Emerald Status

Owerview of Oneworld Sapphire Status

This week Air Berlin joined oneworld and Malev is grounded since a few weeks. Therefore I have updated the Oneworld comparison chart on my homepage with Air Berlin and its Silver Status.

(http://www.hotels-and-travel.de/ffp/...ld/ow_ruby.htm)

If you find wrong information, please let me know by posting in this thread (or PM if your prefer it this way)

Hi FLYGVA,

Please update JAL to show the new stricter requirements for status:

Miles / KM / points need for status [Year / 12 Month]
[30 k pts. including 15k pts on JAL flights, or 30seg + 10k pts. including 15 seg on JAL flights

Miles / KM / Points need for requalification
[30 k pts. including 15k pts on JAL flights, or 30seg + 10k pts. including 15 seg on JAL flights

Also for upgrade domestic / international benefits, JAL is completely removing the upgrade points program, so instead we have the following:
Domestic:
4k pts for 6 coupons

International:
none

Also, please remove JGC Crystal, it is equivalent to OW Sapphire.

Thanks for the head ups, KIXman ^

The chart is hopefully updated correctly. Qualification and Requalification are now the same for the two lower tier, though the level was raised quite a lot and it seem the program becomes unattractive if one is not constantly flying JAL.

Thanks for the head ups, KIXman ^.

Chart is updated, hopefully without mistake.

update with QR
 

Sorry for the delay regarding the last updates, but I have been busy with a new position at work and thus the last update with Qatar Airways is a bit delayed.

The Ruby Status Update is now live, added QR and deleted Mexicana. I had also a quick lock at the other FFP but most certainly have missed something. I have also added the table heading at the bottom and did some minor changes on the layout.

Let me know, if there is anything wrong.

http://www.hotels-and-travel.de/ffp/...ld/ow_ruby.htm

FLYGVA

I have updated my oneworld ruby comparison with the new airlines US Airways, TAM and SriLankan. I have had a look at AA and updated a few minor details.

http://www.hotels-and-travel.de/ffp/...ld/ow_ruby.htm

A sidenote to TAM, which is in parts only available in Spanish Language, which I am not really good in. Parts have also still a reference to Star Alliance. In so far, I might have missed a few details.

Any feedback is appreciated.

Thank you

FLYGVA