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Converting a DCIR26 into a DONE4 Midtrip
I'll be traveling on a DCIR26 ticket in early March, routing JFK-LAX-AKL-CHC-SYD-HKG-CTU-(surface)-PVG-NRT-JFK.
There is a good chance that I will be needed in Istanbul the week following this trip and , if I do need to be there, I would want to just fly to IST from NRT. Has anyone converted a circle fare into an explorer fare mid trip? The way I see it, my travel to NRT would not have violated any DONE routing rules, so if I wanted to change the routing to: JFK-LAX-AKL-CHC-SYD-HKG-CTU-(surface)-PVG-NRT-LHR-IST-LHR-JFK, that would be a valid DONE routing, so it should be pretty easy. Thoughts? Thanks! |
I've never done that but your plan looks good to me. As you say the itin up to the point of the conversion is a valid DONE, and since that seems to be the only condition for the conversion I'd say you are set.
Originally Posted by oneworld.com
At any time: The non-refundable amount may be used as credit towards payment of any full mileage or oneworld/Global explorer fare providing those conditions are met.
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I tried to do the opposite a couple of weeks ago for a friend. One of their party of 5 (currently on DONE4s in Oz/NZ) needs to come home and wouldn't be able to continue the RTW before the 12 months expires. I asked if she could convert her DONE4 to a Circle Pacific fare and AA said no, the two products aren't interchangeable. Thus she had to pay a reissue fee and return to the US (origin) the long way around. Big nuisance. They said (as it says in the rules) that you can move from a OWE to a GlobEx, but not to some other product.
I'll be curious to see if "up-selling" (going from a cheaper product to a more expensive one) earns the same reply. If it doesn't, good for you and it will earn them an angry phone call from yours truly. |
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 9291493)
...I'll be curious to see if "up-selling" (going from a cheaper product to a more expensive one) earns the same reply. If it doesn't, good for you and it will earn them an angry phone call from yours truly.
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Originally Posted by Viajero
(Post 9291680)
Why the angry phone call if the rules for both products are different? What your friend wanted to do is outside of the rules, what the OP wants is covered by the rules.
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Going from a oneworld explorer to another explorer fare should be ok.
113N UPGRADING PRIOR TO DEPARTURE, THE ADVANCE 114N RESERVATION/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW FARE 115N MUST BE MET. 116N . 117N . * AN ECONOMY ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE MAY BE 118N . UPGRADED TO FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS ONEWORLD 119N . EXPLORER FARES WITHOUT PENALTY. 120N . * A BUSINESS CLASS ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARES MAY BE 121N . UPGRADED TO A FIRST CLASS ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE 122N . WITHOUT PENALTY. 123N . * UPGRADING BY SECTOR TO BUSINESS/FIRST CLASS IS 124N . NOT PERMITTED. 125N . * AADVANTAGE UPGRADE AWARDS ARE PERMITTED ON AA 126N . SECTORS ONLY. AADVANTAGE UPGRADES ON OTHER 127N . AIRLINE PARTNER SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED. 128N . * ELECTRONIC UPGRADES ALLOWED ON US DOMESTIC AND 129N . US/CANADA TRANSBORDER SEGMENTS ONLY. 130N . * AT ANY TIME, THE ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE MAY BE 131N . USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS A FULL MILEAGE FARE OR 132N . GLOBAL EXPLORER FARE, PROVIDED ALL THE FARE RULES 133N . ARE MET. NO PENALTY WILL APPLY. REISSUED 134N . TICKETS MUST SHOW IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX: NON- 135N . REF/XXX 136N . /THE XXX INDICATES THE ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE 137N . BASIS CODE./ THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT 138N . REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED TICKET IS 139N . SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED, THE ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL 140N . APPLY. 141N LOCAL SERVICE 142N FEES MAY APPLY. (4) At any time the oneworld Explorer fare may be used as credit towards a full mileage fare or a Global Explorer fare (provided the conditions of Global Explorer have been met). No penalty will apply. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/XXX--//XXX equals oneworld Explorer fare basis code//and the original non-refundable amount remains non-refundable. If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply. Going from a circle pacific to a oneworld explorer isn't specifically stated as with ONE-ONE or GLOB but may be possible. 154N . 6. AT ANY TIME THE CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE MAY BE 155N . USED AS A CREDIT TOWARDS PAYMENT OF A HIGHER FARE 156N . TYPE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PROVIDED THE 157N . CONDITIONS OF THE HIGHER FARE TYPE HAVE BEEN 158N . MET. (F) At any time the Circle Pacific fare may be used as credit towards payment of a higher fare type from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare type have been met. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/ XXX-- (XXX equals Circle Pacific fare basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Nonrefundable. If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply. ----------- Local Service fees may apply |
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 9292061)
...Going from a circle pacific to a oneworld explorer isn't specifically stated...
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Originally Posted by Viajero
(Post 9292089)
It is stated, see post #2.
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 9292118)
The way I read it, it says "Oneworld/Global Explorer fare" not circle explorer fare. A global explorer(GLOB) is not a circle trip explorer nor is a oneworld explorer a circle trip explorer.
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Originally Posted by Viajero
(Post 9292126)
But what I quoted is the rule for the Circle Explorer, the pdf rule. I don't understand the reason for the confusion.
DCIR26, to a DONE. I was looking to the Circle Pacific rules to see if that was possible, I'm not sure why the global explorer rules would apply to the DCIR26 fare. |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 9292170)
...I was looking to the Circle Pacific rules to see if that was possible,...
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Originally Posted by Viajero
(Post 9292188)
Yes, but in looking to see if it was possible you must have looked in the wrong place, because it made you say that the conversion Circle->DONE is not stated. Why I am saying is that it is stated, and the place where it is stated is in the text I quoted, which comes straight from the Circle Pacific Explorer rules.
(C) UPGRADING (A) An Economy Circle Pacific fare my be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare or a First/Business Class Circle Pacific fare without penalty. (B) A Business Circle Pacific fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare or a First Class Circle Pacific fare without penalty. (C) A First Circle Pacific fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare without penalty. (D) Upgrading by sector to Business/First class is not permitted. (E) Upgrading to a normal mileage fare permitted at any time without penalty. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF / XXX-- (XXX equals Circle Pacific fare basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Non-Refundable. If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply. (F) At any time the Circle Pacific fare may be used as credit towards payment of a higher fare type from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare type have been met. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/ XXX-- (XXX equals Circle Pacific fare basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Nonrefundable. If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply. ----------- Local Service fees may apply I guess we must be looking at different pages on oneworld.com. |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 9292258)
...OK. I was looking in the Circle Pacific technical rules sheet:
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr..._13dec2007.pdf I guess we must be looking at different pages on oneworld.com. |
Originally Posted by Viajero
(Post 9292270)
Same document, but read a little before: section 16. A. 2. d
As for the rest of my confusion, looking back on the previous posts I'm not sure I understand myself what it was. |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 9292424)
OK. I guess I see these as being two different things. I was looking at this as an upgrade to a higher fare type ticket. And you are looking at it as a rebooking situation which then refers to the refund rules which let you apply the nonrefundable amount to a new explorer ticket.
As for the rest of my confusion, looking back on the previous posts I'm not sure I understand myself what it was. The upside is that we now all agree the OP is good to go with the conversion, despite the detours we took to get to that point. |
So the OP would make a change from DCIR26 to DONE4 and only pay the difference in the 2 fares. Correct? I'm confused about the expression 'non-refundable' in the rules. Does that mean the OP takes a 10% loss since a US-based ticket incurs those cancellation fees plus pay the difference?
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 9298626)
So the OP would make a change from DCIR26 to DONE4 and only pay the difference in the 2 fares. Correct? I'm confused about the expression 'non-refundable' in the rules. Does that mean the OP takes a 10% loss since a US-based ticket incurs those cancellation fees plus pay the difference?
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I speak from experience here
A Cir Pac CAN BE CONVERTED to DONE3 or above, and can even be converted back down to a Cir Pac Have done this before, and when their is an upsell there was no penalty, but if moving down from a DONE4 (which almost all RTW fares will be more than Cir Pac's) to a DCIR22 or DCIR26 the cancellation fee of 10% was applied All RTW's are refundable less a penalty prior to departure, despite what the endorsement says The next post I add on this subject of RTW's will blow you away Stay tuned |
Originally Posted by thetravelguy
(Post 9303035)
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All RTW's are refundable less a penalty prior to departure, despite what the endorsement says . . . 63N REFUNDS/CANCELLATIONS 64N ---------------------- 65N . 66N PRIOR TO DEPARTURE 67N BEFORE TICKETING DEADLINE: 68N . 69N FULL REFUND 70N . 71N AFTER TICKETING DEADLINE: 72N . 73N . 1. ORIGIN AREA 1 - CANCELLATION PENALTY IS 10% 74N . OF THE TICKETED AMOUNT. 75N . ORIGIN AREA 2/3 - NO PENALTY 76N . 2. CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF THE PASSENGER, THE 77N . PASSENGER*S IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR AN ACCOMPANYING 78N . PASSENGER - FULL REFUND 79N . 3. IN CASE OF REFUSAL OF OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, 80N . ENTRY PERMITS OR VISA. A FULL REFUND WILL APPLY 81N . PROVIDED OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE APPROVED 82N . AUTHORITY IS PRODUCED AND ATTACHED TO THE REFUND 83N . REQUEST. 84N LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY. |
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