RTW questions
 

Newbie to RTW travel with a couple of questions for a trip in the fall 08 to spring 09

1) If the Europe air portion is started at LHR & finished at LWG then over land to Asia is that allowed?

2) Want to visit Taj Mahal, realize can't do it on One World, was thinking Air India from Bangkok to New Delhi to Akra return Bangkok?????

3) What problems do you see with the following itinerary?

note land travel LGW-BKK PER-CNS PTY-SJO

YYZ-LHR-CAI-AMM-LGW//BKK-NRT-SIN-DPS-PER//CNS-AKL-HNL-LAX-PTY//SJO-ANC-YYZ

Not sure if I listed that right as there will be stops 4 of the flights but same flight #

Thanks for any responce

You can fly into delhi from HkG, NRT or LHR so it is certainly possible.

Yes.

ps. Welcome to FT !

This is really 4 segments: SJO-DFW-ANC-DFW-YYZ.

Hi & welcome to FT! I assume you are looking at a xONE4 (oneworld explorer for 4 continents)

The main problem I see with your itinerary is that many segments are not operated directly by any OW airline. You might therefore end up needing more segments than you're allowed.

In particular I identified following problems:
- no direct flights between CNS and AKL (via BNE or SYD possible) as well as between AKL and HNL (via SYD). This will require two more segments inside Southwest Pacific;
- same between LAX-PTY (via MIA), SJO-ANC (via DFW in summer only) and ANC-YYZ (via DFW). Here you need at least three more segments than planned in your itinerary and you would exceed the total of 6 flights allowed for North America (HNL-LAX-MIA-PTY//SJO-DFW-ANC-DFW-YYZ uses 8 segments counting to the total of 20 & 7 flights counting towards the continental total of 6);
- note that only TWO stopovers are allowed in your continent of origin (North America), therefore only two among HNL, PTY/SJO and ANC can be stopovers.

Hope that can help

Thanks will have to try again as I couldn't find any One World airlines going to India.

The quick replies on this forum are appreciated.:)

Dial up is so slow 2 more replies since I posted this & all very helpfull. I thought might be a problem with the NA part, back to plan B, will post revised itinerary when it is done.

Thanks every one

CX, JL and BA fly into DEL.

This forum's response time makes even Planck time look slow, particularly when one makes a mistake. :)

That's good as I have been known to make mistakes.:confused:

Not you, I meant mistakes made by those of us brave enough to give advice that a split second later is found to be in error.:)

As does RJ.

And AY...

And HEL.

I rest my case.

It's confirmed. We have no lives...

Let's try this again

YYZ-LHR-CAI-AMM-LGW//SIN-NRT-DEL-HGK-DPS-PER//BNE-AUK-NAN-HNL-DFW-PTY//SJO-MIA-YYZ

If I am right that is 19 segments, 1 extra to purchase for Asia & 1 more if I want?

If I read right xONE 4 continent, when booking I have to give full itinerary but only have to schedule the first flight & can leave the rest open?

Thanks again

You only have to schedule the first international segment. However your route isn't valid because no Oneworld carrier serves Fiji. The service shown in the Oneworld timetables etc. is an Air Tahiti flight carrying a Qantas flight number. Only flights operated by OW members are valid. Remember only two stopovers are allowed in the continent of origin (NA.)

Thought if it as on the One World map it was OK, learn some thing every day, so I guess just go back to SYD then on to HNL.

Made an error in my first post meant plane stopped, not that I was making a stop over. Only stop overs in NA are HNL & PTY. The DFW & MIA are airline scheduled stops.

The info is greatly appreciated.

In that case, a suggestion for future posts: place an 'x' next to the city code, that way we know that you are considering a connection, not a stopover. Something like this: ....HNL-xDFW-PTY//SJO-xMIA-YYZ

And AA ....

Mileage Monkey
 

Try putting your itn in the unofficial Mileage Monkey. Not always 100% pefect, but better than the OneWorld site

...and if you do notice anything where it isn't 100%, please post feedback using the link at the top of the tool's page (Flyertalk discussion thread) so it can be fixed :)

Air Tahiti is the domestic airline of French Polynesia. AFAIK the QF codeshare is operated by Air Pacific.

busman7 welcome to FT and the OW forum as well. The routing your a building at the moment is designed for a xONE4 fare. However, there is another OW RTW product. The Global Explorer. This fare includes three more airlines one of them being Air Pacific. So your Fiji stop would work. Only problem is that there is no direct flight from NAN-HNL so you would have to go back to SYD.
I have never done a Global Explorer myself, so far only a few non optimized DONE4s.

Very useful info, once again thanks to everyone, new to this & a lot to learn.

Will try Mileage Monkey.

viajero will post properly next time so every one knows what I mean & misread your post yesterday, no offence taken.

Think will stick with itinerary for this trip, however as it gets closer probably try to find cheap flight YYZ-LHR & start there as we really get ripped off originating from Canada.

Then do another in the future combining Africa, SA & Fiji.

Cheers

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Mileage Monkey said invalid "Rule Violated!!! (DFW-PTY) MAX 1 segment: one Intl/departure/arrival from country of origin"

However the same itinerary is valid when starting from LHR, which would end up cheaper any way.:)

You're right; I was brain cramping NAN for PPT, where the "QF" flight is on TN (I also left off the "Nui" part.)

However I don't think NAN-xSYD-HNL would work on a Global Explorer as HNL is in North America and NAN is in the SWP region, and no inter-regional backtracking is allowed.

Maybe he could to something like AKL-NAN-SYD-HNL?

Very sad that there is no QF flight to PPT anymore. This would be so great for a DONE4 and for my vacation next year in August. Now it will be NZ from SYD-PPT...

[QUOTE=DownUnderFlyer;8714610]Maybe he could to something like AKL-NAN-SYD-HNL?

Won't work "No One World airline AKL-NAN"

Going with this: LHR-CAI-AMM-LHR//SIN-NRT-DEL-HKG-DPS-PER//BNE-AKL-SYD-HNL-xDFW-PTY//SJO-xMIA-YYZ-LHR

That way gives me business class for almost same price as economy from NA & still have one segment to play with.

If you start from LHR you can't go back to the UK until the end of the itinerary. And since LHR is a big oneworld hub that eliminates many possible routings for Euro travel if you do ex-UK.

Try starting ex-ARN - it's cheaper too IIRC.

Indeed.

DONE4 ex-ARN should be SEK 44690 (i.e. ca. USD 7070)
DONE4 ex-LHR should be GBP 4549 (i.e. ca. USD 9510) - conversions at IB rates

You save ca 2500 USD ex-ARN and avoid the problem of one international departure only from country of origin (this being a problem when country of origin = UK).

LHR has good fares for LONEx, not for DONEx.

When converting to CDA$ the LONEx from LHR is cheaper by $4000 CAD than the DONEx from ARN. So it is a personal decission whether it is worth it.

Trip is almost a year away so have to wait check closer to time to. book to find the best deal.

Cost tolerance (and feasibility) is of course a personal decision. That said, I advise people to take into account the tremendous potential mileage-earning benefits of a well-crafted business class RTW. In many cases, and depending on your FF program, you can leverage sufficient miles from the RTW to "pay" for a considerable amount of future travel.

As an example, an AA Plat member (easy to achieve using the Challenge) on a 60K mile RTW can book well over 130K "spendable" miles. An AA OW130C Oneworld award allows up to 20K "net" miles in business-class travel ("net" meaning only miles between stopovers are counted.) YYZ-LHR-SIN-HKG-YYZ is 19,700 miles - in other words, a second J-class RTW funded from one paid one. And so on.

An L class RTW will also earn miles, but not nearly as many, thereby reducing the leverage capability. But the cost spread between a LONE4 ex-UK and a DONE4 ex- somewhere else may be the equivalent of a second LONE4, so it's an individual call.

Yery good point Gardyloo & something I will consider.

That is why I am planning a year in advance as I am new to this & want to do it right.Some times what at first appears to be the cheapest, in the long run isn't cost effective & there is also comfort to be considered.

Sorry busman7, I might have misread your post.

I had the impression that you were considering an ex-LHR DONE4 as an alternative to an ex-North America LONE4. It's only beacuse of this that I said that an ex-LHR DONE4 is very expensive if compared to other European points of origin. It was not my intention to say that a DONE4 is better value for money than a LONE4. I am well aware that even the cheapest DONE4 is much more expensive than the average (or even the most expensive) LONE4... :)

In fact, all the OWE tickets I bought were LONEx since 4000 USD are a huge difference and my budget would not be happy :o

Sorry again if I misread.

In that case I misread too, because I also thought a comparison was being made between ex-NA economy and ex-LHR biz:

Sorry for the confusion SwissexLUG & viajero I comparing the ex-NA economy in CAD$ & the ex-LHR biz but forgot to convert GBP to CAD$ that made it look similar.

As for my post today what I was trying to say is that comparing the biz class ex-ARN & economy ex-LHR is a difference of $4000 CAD, on the extra points for biz class (which I haven't even looked into yet) it might be worth while or it might not.

Just weighing the options. Thanks for the input.