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LeSouris Jul 26, 2024 9:12 am

It seems that adverse consequences are rare, but we shouldn't encourage it, nor individually develop a habit, because it could well be pursued by the airline.

I seem to recall ages ago that a major consulting firm used to book all its transatlantic travel as oneway LHR-JFK + oneway JFK-LHR-CPH and dropping the last segment. I don't know whether the airline pursued them but it would seem a likely target for the revenue management team!

izzik Jul 27, 2024 5:48 am


Originally Posted by SP0 (Post 36407468)
It seems that adverse consequences are rare, but we shouldn't encourage it, nor individually develop a habit, because it could well be pursued by the airline.

I seem to recall ages ago that a major consulting firm used to book all its transatlantic travel as oneway LHR-JFK + oneway JFK-LHR-CPH and dropping the last segment. I don't know whether the airline pursued them but it would seem a likely target for the revenue management team!

If this was true then I'm sure there were consequences, given the firm's contract with the airline.

flyhurl Sep 24, 2024 9:53 am

What would you do?
 

Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 36399716)
More detail - We have a RTW that the last flight is HKG HEL OSL (shown on ticket as one flight, two segments). Need to get to DFW and would like to just do HEL DFW on a separate ticket.

So can we reschedule a segment vs. flight? Or can we just no show the HEL OSL flight? and take the same airline HEL DFW 7 hours later on a separately booked ticket? This option gets us to DFW 8 hours earlier with 2 less stops than going on to OSL then DFW.

Just trying to understand the options. Thanks.

Oh Bother, I just realized why it's one flight with two segments. Can't have a more than 24 hour layover in Europe once you have done the Europe and US parts of the RTW and are in the ASIA part to return to OSL.

So, now I am nervous about using the same airline in HEL to get to DFW if I no show them earlier the same day.

The other option is to add a 2 stop flight to get from OSL to DFW. Currently don't see a good option for this using AA miles. Would probably book Iceland air if we need to pay cash.

Only bright side of that option is that I might change the HKG OSL to be on Qatar Business vs Finnair Business.

What would you do? Any creative ideas out there? Thanks for all help.

R2 Sep 24, 2024 10:27 am

I don't think AY will care much if you miss your HEL-OSL. If you have checked-in baggage, you may have some struggle negotiating the short checking and while AY is usually pretty lenient there you never know for 100%.

The one thing I would do is not to have the same ff number on the two tickets.

flyhurl Sep 24, 2024 10:34 am

Second ticket is an award ticket
 

Originally Posted by R2 (Post 36548679)
I don't think AY will care much if you miss your HEL-OSL. If you have checked-in baggage, you may have some struggle negotiating the short checking and while AY is usually pretty lenient there you never know for 100%.

The one thing I would do is not to have the same ff number on the two tickets.

Well so far both tickets have the AAdvantage number on them. But the HEL DFW is an award so no miles. I'm not even sure how not have the ff number on the ticket??

pandaperth Sep 24, 2024 10:35 am


Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 36548605)
Can't have a more than 24 hour layover in Europe once you have done the Europe and US parts of the RTW and are in the ASIA part to return to OSL.

The rule is that you cannot have more than two stopovers in the continent of origin.
Your choice whether you have two at the start, two at the end, or one at the start and one at the end.

How many such stopovers did you have at the start? If less than two, then you can change HEL from a transit to a stopover.

(For completeness - transit means 24hrs or less between flights, stopover means more than 24hrs between flights; the term layover is not used in the rules.)

flyhurl Sep 24, 2024 10:54 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36548695)
The rule is that you cannot have more than two stopovers in the continent of origin.
Your choice whether you have two at the start, two at the end, or one at the start and one at the end.

How many such stopovers did you have at the start? If less than two, then you can change HEL from a transit to a stopover.

(For completeness - transit means 24hrs or less between flights, stopover means more than 24hrs between flights; the term layover is not used in the rules.)

I had two stopovers already. Now in the North Am part. The Asia part ends in March 2025. Thanks.

R2 Sep 24, 2024 11:40 am


Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 36548693)
Well so far both tickets have the AAdvantage number on them. But the HEL DFW is an award so no miles. I'm not even sure how not have the ff number on the ticket??

For the award ticket you probably can't remove the ffp number because it's where the 'payment' came from. For the cash ticket it should be possible; at least you should be able to change it (maybe to a dummy number) and then claim the miles later 'because for some reason there was a wrong ffp number on the boarding pass'.

It's a long story but I almost learned it the hard way years ago not have the same ffp number on two conflicting itineraries.

flyhurl Sep 24, 2024 11:50 am

Thanks for the heads up. I am trying to make sure I don't learn a lesson the hard way by getting my RTW return fixed now.

flyhurl Sep 25, 2024 1:05 pm

Worked on the last leg. I rebooked my last flight that was on Finnair HKG-HEL-OSL to a day earlier on Qatar HKG-DOH-OSL. The AA RTW phone person insisted that there was a change fee of $125 per ticket. The taxes were lower so she took my card for $114.147 each ticket. I thought if the ticketing points did not change there would be no change fee?

I think I finally have the ticket the way I want it now. That's good, just not sure what to do about the fee.

Thanks to everyone.

pandaperth Sep 25, 2024 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 36551560)
Worked on the last leg. I rebooked my last flight that was on Finnair HKG-HEL-OSL to a day earlier on Qatar HKG-DOH-OSL. The AA RTW phone person insisted that there was a change fee of $125 per ticket. The taxes were lower so she took my card for $114.147 each ticket. I thought if the ticketing points did not change there would be no change fee?

I think I finally have the ticket the way I want it now. That's good, just not sure what to do about the fee.

Thanks to everyone.

Your ticketed points did change from HKG-HEL-OSL to HKG-DOH-OSL
Therefore the change fee was USD125

flyhurl Sep 25, 2024 2:08 pm

Thanks for the answer
 

Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36551676)
Your ticketed points did change from HKG-HEL-OSL to HKG-DOH-OSL
Therefore the change fee was USD125

HA, if only the agent had explained it that way. She said "since you changed your airline and date of travel there is a change fee".

I made the assumption (HA) that I was booking HKG to OSL as the ticket points... Live and learn.

dvs7310 Sep 26, 2024 4:08 am


Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 36551709)
HA, if only the agent had explained it that way. She said "since you changed your airline and date of travel there is a change fee".

I made the assumption (HA) that I was booking HKG to OSL as the ticket points... Live and learn.

Unfortunately routing does matter as well. I haven't figured out for sure if changing carriers on the same route triggers a change fee or not, but even if not that could still trigger a YQ / YR difference.

I've only done it for AA to JL on a ticket that had YQ but was doing other changes at the same time that needed the $125 fee anyway. AA's and JL's YQ tend to be very close, at least the routes I've used on xONEx. I also did a change from AA code to QF code once, but it was an ex-Japan with no YQ anyway, so there wasn't any noticeable difference, that happened pre-ticketing so no $125 fee.

Dr. HFH Sep 26, 2024 5:41 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36553031)
I haven't figured out for sure if changing carriers on the same route triggers a change fee or not . . . .

The rules are pretty clear on this, it doesn't.


Rule 16(a).1.b, Rebooking/Rerouting Prior to Departure:

​​​​​Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD 125 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.

Rule 16(a).2.b, Rebooking/Rerouting After Departure:

Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD 125 per transaction.

The $125 fee is only imposed for changes to ticketed points. No difference between stops and connections. Notwithstanding the reluctance of some carriers to follow the rules, these are quotes from the published rules. If the people who issued your ticket won't follow them, it's time to find someplace else to buy these tickets.


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