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FTLexMUC Jan 10, 2007 4:47 pm

why not BA then
 
Thanks for all the valuable info. Why don't I choose BA then, if AA won't do on BA and I am likely to fly Iberia and BA business class?
Is it so much worse than Cathay so that Cathay is worth the extra 50$ ?

Thanks

alex0683de Jan 11, 2007 4:21 am


Originally Posted by FTLexMUC (Post 6991528)
Thanks for all the valuable info. Why don't I choose BA then, if AA won't do on BA and I am likely to fly Iberia and BA business class?
Is it so much worse than Cathay so that Cathay is worth the extra 50$ ?

Thanks

Because BA's redemption rates aren't that great. You'll get more bang for your buck (or flight for your mile) with Cathay.

If you live in the UK and can take advantage of all the other ways to earn miles doing everyday things that are available there (points from Tesco supermarkets [sort of like Payback in Germany], BA AmEx, etc.), the balance tilts to BA because you get some many more miles with relatively little effort. Plus there are redemption offers like 2 for 1 award tickets which are only available for UK residents which make the program more attractive if you live in the UK.

Elsewhere, Cathay offers the better deal because from the same amount of flying you get more rewards.

Oh, and don't get me started on how few miles BA gives for economy flights - on any carrier. 25% of miles flown, and no status miles for economy flights. Not good. :td:

UncleDude Jan 11, 2007 4:28 am

If you fly mainly Transatlantic Business over 66,666 miles a year then go for AA, its worth it for the 8 free upgrades to FIRST. Also it might help if you posted what your main travel routes are and class of course.

Fo info on AAdvantage and the AAmazing Platinum challenge go to the American Airlines forum.

alex0683de Jan 12, 2007 6:06 am


Originally Posted by UncleDude (Post 6994793)
If you fly mainly Transatlantic Business over 66,666 miles a year then go for AA, its worth it for the 8 free upgrades to FIRST. Also it might help if you posted what your main travel routes are and class of course.

Fo info on AAdvantage and the AAmazing Platinum challenge go to the American Airlines forum.

But this would require flying AA. And wouldn't work at all when flying BA.

Tyrolean Jan 15, 2007 3:54 am

I would go for QF.

If you fly business-class you will get status very soon.
(You get 40 TPs on flights under 600 miles and 60 TPs on flights over 600 miles). (not only the flat 40TPs of BA in Business).

All fare-classes get Tier-points (even the deepest discounted classes).

All fare-classes on IB earn 100% miles.

No worry about transatlantic flights on AA/BA that do not count.

QF has a lifetime status (long way, but possible).

If you need lounge-access on QF/BA/AA you can buy a Qantas-Club membership.

Earing rates are as bad as with BA, but you get more miles.

Be aware: QF-Silver doesnt get you into the lounges, you need gold for that, but that gives you 50% Bonus on QF/BA/AA.

If you fly Business-Class you get lounge-access anyway

FTLexMUC Jan 16, 2007 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by Tyrolean (Post 7019200)
I would go for QF.

If you fly business-class you will get status very soon.
(You get 40 TPs on flights under 600 miles and 60 TPs on flights over 600 miles). (not only the flat 40TPs of BA in Business).

All fare-classes get Tier-points (even the deepest discounted classes).

All fare-classes on IB earn 100% miles.

No worry about transatlantic flights on AA/BA that do not count.

QF has a lifetime status (long way, but possible).

If you need lounge-access on QF/BA/AA you can buy a Qantas-Club membership.

Earing rates are as bad as with BA, but you get more miles.

Be aware: QF-Silver doesnt get you into the lounges, you need gold for that, but that gives you 50% Bonus on QF/BA/AA.

If you fly Business-Class you get lounge-access anyway

Thanks for you input. Sounds good, However, in the end I opted for BA, simply b/c it's the airline I will mostly fly with (in OW) and according to other posts there are no alliance-wide upgrade awards in OW. We'll see if I make status here.
Thanks y'all though!

Traveloguy Jan 16, 2007 3:03 pm


Originally Posted by Tyrolean (Post 7019200)
I would go for QF.

If you fly business-class you will get status very soon.
(You get 40 TPs on flights under 600 miles and 60 TPs on flights over 600 miles). (not only the flat 40TPs of BA in Business).

True, but there are some occasions where you get more on BA than on QF, e.g. flights to the East Coast of the USA. Also there are other tricks such as BAH-DOH sectors and using a BA codeshare on a QF J domestic flight - both which give full long haul TPs.


Originally Posted by Tyrolean

All fare-classes get Tier-points (even the deepest discounted classes).

All fare-classes on IB earn 100% miles.

Unfortunately this is not always true. Yes, IB get 100%, but be aware that there are quite a few fare classes on several OW carriers which credit nothing including even a few noteables on AA. CX also requires L and above to get anything.


Originally Posted by Tyrolean

No worry about transatlantic flights on AA/BA that do not count.

QF has a lifetime status (long way, but possible).

True, however I suspect with Macquarie Air shortly taking over QF, I can't see this perk remaining despite the huge amount of flying to get it. At least with AA's programme, all miles count to lifetime status whereas with QF only flying gets you there.


Originally Posted by Tyrolean

If you need lounge-access on QF/BA/AA you can buy a Qantas-Club membership.

You can buy a QF Club membership and NOT credit to QF should lounge access be a requirement, however the OP should be aware that when flying IB, he/she won't be entitled to lounge access.


Originally Posted by Tyrolean
Earing rates are as bad as with BA, but you get more miles.

Not true. The bonus paid on QF miles is a percentage of the awarded miles, for example a min payment of 125 miles on a deep discount, yet the flight miles were 100 miles, you will get 25 miles on a silver membership as a bonus, whereas BA would give you the higher amount. Small difference but for short hauls it adds up.


Originally Posted by Tyrolean
Be aware: QF-Silver doesnt get you into the lounges, you need gold for that, but that gives you 50% Bonus on QF/BA/AA.

25% for Silver (OW Ruby), 50% for Gold (OW Sapphire),and 100% for Platinum (OW Emerald). Bonus only paid on QF, BA and AA flights. AA's programme however pays the bonus on ALL OneWorld flights.

For the AA programme, one should note that even on deep discount fares, 500 EQPs are awarded on fares that credit (even in the slighest) which whilst won't get you many redeemable miles definitely helps for Elite qualification.

Again I am going to point the OP to AA's programme as at least in OW, it's the best one out there. CX is not too bad in some respects either, but QF is definitely one of the worst. Personally I am only with QF for lifetime status as it is will within reach. In fact I am only a few flights away from it, but I am seriously considering changing to AA afterwards especially now that Macquarie are taking over QF and they are known for cuts. There is a reason afterall why Macquarie are one of the most profitable investment banks in the world!

Kiwi Flyer Jan 16, 2007 4:09 pm


Originally Posted by Traveloguy (Post 7028796)
Not true. The bonus paid on QF miles is a percentage of the awarded miles, for example a min payment of 125 miles on a deep discount, yet the flight miles were 100 miles, you will get 25 miles on a silver membership as a bonus, whereas BA would give you the higher amount. Small difference but for short hauls it adds up.

It's worse than that. The status bonus is applied first before applying any minimum mileage earn. This means, for example, almost all QF domestic flights in NZ earn me the minimum amount despite having WP status.

Traveloguy Jan 17, 2007 3:51 am


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 7029364)
It's worse than that. The status bonus is applied first before applying any minimum mileage earn. This means, for example, almost all QF domestic flights in NZ earn me the minimum amount despite having WP status.

You are indeed correct! :o

isdoo Jan 21, 2007 1:06 am


Originally Posted by alex0683de (Post 6981728)
In general, you can receive both award and status miles on AA for BA flights, but you cannot earn AA miles for BA flights from London to the US. Conversely, you cannot earn BA miles on AA flights from the US to Europe.

Antitrust agencies on both sides of the pond decided that if AA/BA could codeshare and give miles on their collective flights on these routes, this would equate to unfair competition since they together hold something like 70% of the London-US market.

Again, this applies only to transatlantic flights, a BA flight to Dubai or wherever earns regular status and award miles on AA. Same for flights to Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean - anyplace that is not in the US.

The one exception to the rule are BA flights to the US from Manchester - these earn normal miles as well, since the antitrust issue is only about London.

Are you sure?

So we can get AA miles from Manchester to USA? Where does it say this??

How about a through ticket from manchester -> london -> USA ;)

alex0683de Jan 21, 2007 2:44 am


Originally Posted by isdoo (Post 7060747)
Are you sure?

So we can get AA miles from Manchester to USA? Where does it say this??

How about a through ticket from manchester -> london -> USA ;)

I can't remember where it says it, but BA's MAN-JFK-MAN flights also have AA codeshare flight numbers (AA6679 and AA6680). This is the only flight where codesharing was permitted under Bermuda II, and it's the only British Airways transatlantic flight where you can earn AA miles - if you've booked the AA codeshare flight rather than the BA flight.

Viajero Jan 21, 2007 8:39 am


Originally Posted by aa.com
...British Airways transatlantic flights to/from the U.S. are not eligible for mileage accrual (unless ticketed on an "AA"-coded flight number)...


ny911 Jan 21, 2007 8:44 am

CX doesn't have any tier bonus and its miles given on J and F are relatively low. CX Diamond offers the best among all OW FFPs. If you seldom fly to N.America,not much point to join AAdvantage. Bascially if you are frequent J traveller,I would suggest you to join either BA or AA,depends on your needs.

Viajero Jan 21, 2007 8:51 am


Originally Posted by ny911 (Post 7061869)
...CX Diamond offers the best among all OW FFPs...

In what way is CX Diamond better than AA EXP? (I don't mean flying patterns or country of residence issues, just plain FFP benefits).

bchl Jan 21, 2007 9:30 am

the reason why I've never considered to join AA or QF is the fact that you will need 4 flights each year on their own metals.. So that's why I ended up with CX :) With my flying pattern I could never be able to fulfill these needs...


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