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MiamiBeach Apr 18, 2006 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Was that before taxes and surcharges? Note the published fares are the starting point - landing fees, fuel surcharges, etc - all in addition, often running US$600+ on D/AONEs, especially if stopping in London more than once.

Yup. See my previous post here. 1st-Air are the only travel agent I've found so far that is willing to issue a DONE5 in Turkey.

Dave Noble Apr 19, 2006 12:10 am


Originally Posted by Yachty

(AUSTRALIA / PACIFIC)

AKL-MEL-PER-BNE-DRW-
Do you reckon BA will buy it? Or more to the point will they let me buy it?!

Thanks again

Your Australia section seems invalid

Within Australia only one non stop flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney; or between Darwin and Melbourne or Sydney; or between Broome and Melbourne or Sydney. This restriction does not apply for passengers originating their travel in Perth or New Zealand when travelling to/from Africa on the Melbourne or Sydney to Perth direct flights.

Dave

christep Apr 19, 2006 12:47 am

There seems to be some confusion on this point, but the rules as published by CX in HKG (latest revision 18 April 2006) do say:

Code:

Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following points                                                       
BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER                                                       
MEL/SYD - BME                                                       
MEL/SYD - DRW                                                       
Exception - No restriction between SYD/MEL - PER for passengers originating in PER                                                       
                    when in conjunction with travel to/from - JNB/BOM/SHA/PEK.                                                       
                  - No restriction between SYD/MEL - PER for passengers originating in New Zealand                                                       
                    when in conjunction with travel to/from - JNB

Yet the Star Files at http://www.hardlink.com/~markdu/OWFi...eExplorer.html say:

Code:

136N . 7. WITHIN AUSTRALIA - 1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE         
137N .    FLIGHT PERMITTED BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING               
138N .    CITIES:                                             
139N .      * BNE/CNS/SYD AND PER                             
140N .        EXCEPTION - NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD-PER     
141N .    FOR                                                 
142N .        PASSENGERS ORIGINATING PER OR NEW ZEALAND       
143N .    WHEN IN                                             
144N .        CONJUNCTION WITH TRAVEL TO/FROM AFRICA         
145N .      * MEL/SYD AND DRW                                 
146N .      * MEL/SYD AND BME                                 
147N .        EXCEPTION - NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-     
148N .    PER                                                 
149N .        FOR PASSENGERS ORIGINATING IN PER WHEN IN     
150N .        CONJUNCTION WITH TRAVEL TO/FROM               
151N .    JNB/BOM/SHA/PEK

I know that the CX Rules are as currently published by them to their TAs (I have a login on cxagents.com), so either there are two different versions of the rules out there, or markdu's source is out of date... My guess is that there is an editing error by whoever produced the file at the markdu site. Note that the exception refers to "no restriction on travel between SYD/MEL and PER", whereas the restricted list omits MEL.

JohnAx Apr 19, 2006 12:47 am


Originally Posted by hfly
Not exactly true, CX has no problems issuing them from their IST office.

never mind - I read the following posts. I wish they were more consistent.

Dave Noble Apr 19, 2006 3:01 am


Originally Posted by christep

I know that the CX Rules are as currently published by them to their TAs (I have a login on cxagents.com), so either there are two different versions of the rules out there, or markdu's source is out of date... My guess is that there is an editing error by whoever produced the file at the markdu site. Note that the exception refers to "no restriction on travel between SYD/MEL and PER", whereas the restricted list omits MEL.

The CX rules are quite correct. The addition of MEL as a restriction for PER flights is a fairly recent addition and the details on markdu site used to be correct; they just seem not to have been updated with the change

Dave

Yachty Apr 19, 2006 3:33 am


Originally Posted by GibSpmuh
Just something to keep in mind if you're wanting to save segments within Australia, and if you're not actually planning to stop in DRW that from 1st July the Australian Airlines flights will be no more, and there'll be QF mainline flights running from PER/SYD/MEL to DPS again. So that might make things a little more interesting for you in this part of the world anyway! ^

That's great news! I can't find any schedule info about direct flights to DPS from Syd yet. Will BA issue a ticket now on the basis of these new flights becoming available or willl i have to give an itinerary including DPS now and change it after July?

MiamiPrep Apr 19, 2006 5:18 am

...akl-mel-per-syd-mel...
 
Odd.. Do the rules vary between carriers? As I said, both my DONE04 tickets issued by AA CAI have the above routing. The one ticket was issued in 2005, but the latest was issued 4/2006.

Dave Noble Apr 19, 2006 6:18 am


Originally Posted by MiamiPrep
Odd.. Do the rules vary between carriers? As I said, both my DONE04 tickets issued by AA CAI have the above routing. The one ticket was issued in 2005, but the latest was issued 4/2006.

The rules are the same though did change not that long ago; if you managed to get the latest one issued with the 2 Oz sectors, then you were lucky and I would avoid doing any reissues until they are flown

Dave

JohnAx Apr 19, 2006 7:26 am


Originally Posted by GibSpmuh
Just something to keep in mind if you're wanting to save segments within Australia, and if you're not actually planning to stop in DRW that from 1st July the Australian Airlines flights will be no more, and there'll be QF mainline flights running from PER/SYD/MEL to DPS again. So that might make things a little more interesting for you in this part of the world anyway! ^

Do you know if they'll be exercising their rights onward to SIN as before?

cbert Apr 19, 2006 9:10 am

i just got off the phone with AA RWT desk.

as one of my last legs I wanted to do:

PER - MEL - PER

but lady on phone said the new rule came in just yesteary that you are allowed only one transocean fare in Australia.

Thus I am doing PER - MEL - SYD

JohnAx Apr 19, 2006 11:49 am


Originally Posted by cbert
i just got off the phone with AA RWT desk.

as one of my last legs I wanted to do:

PER - MEL - PER

but lady on phone said the new rule came in just yesteary that you are allowed only one transocean fare in Australia.

Thus I am doing PER - MEL - SYD

I wonder what she really meant? PER-MEL violates the "one transcon" rule for Australia (similar rule for North America) but MEL has been on that list a lot longer than 'yesterday'. I hope they haven't dreamed up something about Aus-NZ similar to our Hawaii prohibition. (If you go to Hawaii from the mainland you can't return, even on a separate ticket.)

serfty Apr 19, 2006 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by cbert
i just got off the phone with AA RWT desk.

as one of my last legs I wanted to do:

PER - MEL - PER

but lady on phone said the new rule came in just yesteary that you are allowed only one transocean fare in Australia.

Thus I am doing PER - MEL - SYD

Methinks it's more likely either your "lady on phone" or you, meant transcontinental rather then transocean.

Also, the rule about MEL-PER being included in the transcontinental list (along with PER-SYD/BNE/CNS) came in about 15th August 2005. The DONE4 I am currently undertaking was booked just before then and had -MEL-PER-CNS- in the itinery.

GibSpmuh Apr 19, 2006 7:00 pm


Originally Posted by JohnAx
Do you know if they'll be exercising their rights onward to SIN as before?

Inded they will be - there's three return flights a week SIN-DPS in the schedule, on WED-FRI-SUN, from the 1st of July. These routes will probably end up being taken over by Jetstar International sometime around December though would be my guess, so unfortunately it's not a big window that'll be open to get mainline flights booked in.

JohnAx Apr 19, 2006 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by GibSpmuh
Inded they will be - there's three return flights a week SIN-DPS in the schedule, on WED-FRI-SUN, from the 1st of July. These routes will probably end up being taken over by Jetstar International sometime around December though would be my guess, so unfortunately it's not a big window that'll be open to get mainline flights booked in.

It sounds like QF just grabbed their old schedule and pasted it into the new timetable. Jetstar is NOT one of the approved-for-OWE Qantas associates?

(This matter would have been more interesting a couple of years ago before this *%^*(! group warped my mind into a mileage maniac. I remember when I used to actually plan trips based on how quickly I could get from point A to point B. Now, of course, I must fly SYD-HKG-DPS-HKG-SIN, because it's a lot more miles than SYD-DPS-SIN. Like I ever use them for anything.)

UserMark Apr 19, 2006 8:53 pm

I do see MEL mentioned in the latest file. I'll grab it tomorrow.


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