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Hi Viajero I have finally reached my completed itinerary. I am going from cai through Mrs Sobhi , who has been very helpful, but with your vast experience can you veryfy that this itinerary is a one5 cai-lhr-per-syd,mel-chc,akl-mel,adl-bne,syd-jfk-scl-lim-eze-gru-dfw-anc-dfw-yvr-dfw-mia-lax-lhr-cai . The validator says it is okay thou confusingly it says cai is europe , but I am more than sure it is the middle east Cheers

Yep, that's a one5, all right. You are not stopping in Asia, but the rules say that because of the segment lhr-per, you have to 'pay' for that continent anyway. Nothing you can do about that.

And yes, you are both right. It is 'Europe' AND it is 'Middle East', because in the rules the area you are starting your trip from is actually callled 'Europe/Middle East'.

Hi Viajero .Thank you for that ,enjoy the rest of the evening or morning wherever you are at this present time Elo

Hi Viajero I have changed my itinerary nearly as many times as I have had hot dinners ,maybe an over exageration? However here it goes cai-lhr-per-mel-chc-mel,per-syd-jfk-scl-lim-eze-gru-jfk-dfw-anc-dfw-jfk,bos-mia-lax-lhr-cai One other point was that mrs Sobhi said there was no oneworld flight service from eze-gru , but there is BA0246, and according to the ba website its still flying? Thanks ELO

There is that flight but it's not every day service? Did you try some particular date or was it just "generally not available"?

Hi No Window seat That is a good question, I cannot answer until Mrs Sobhi responds to my email ,but I am of the opinion that the flight is available only on certain days as you suggested
Thanks ELO

Here it is.
 

Days 2,4.5.7 in the northern hemisphere summer timetable.

EZE 1310 GRU 1540 BA 246

BA have traffic rights.

spottie

Hi Spotwelder First of all it is a pleasure to have a response from you . I think it is save to say, that you are a legend on the flyertalk, Thanks for the confirmation of BA246
Have a good week ELO

Elo here once again I am having a lot of difficulty with ba in cairo . I am trying to do syd-nyc-scl ,but cairo are saying it is a stopover in new york and that I must do syd-scl, my understanding is that as long as it is under 24hrs and I am continuing on an intercontinental flight it does not matter + BA are saying with my extra stop in america my aone5 is 49480, confused That I am any suggestions greatly received Elo

I do not know what the rules say if there exits a direct flight from SYD to SCL, can you then do a routing with a transit in North America just on your own wish (to get more miles, fly preferred airlines/planes, whatever)...otherwise another entry(=transit) is certainly allowed into N.Am.

My reading of the rules is that SYD-JFK on QF's direct flight, connecting same day with LA's JFK-SCL is valid as a 'transit through NA without stopover'.

In any case, valid or not, I fail to see what on earth it would have to do with PRICE. Either BA allow it under the rules or rejects it as invalid, but price has absolutely nothing to do with it. Something here just doesn't sound right.

Hi Viajero and no window seat. The other outlining problem with Ba cai is that they are qoting me a fare of 49480 with an extra stop in the US , but it still does not make sence as the aone5 is 46270 excluding taxes without extra stop , which I have disputed,what on earth are they playing at ,so far I have been very patient ,and since I have become a member of flyertalk ,with the knowledge I have gained through your comments and studying various threads . I would be stuck Elo

I would suggest that you call BA US/UK and ask what the situation really is.

Cheers

Hi No window seat I tried contacting BA Uk ,they are of the opinion that I am backtracking to london from cai ,then heading to per which violates the east to west etc ELo

I propose you try again (another agent) and have them to check from xONE rules that CAI is part of Europe as a OW continent. Or call BA US...

Or just fax/email your itinerary to emeco and have them issue it.

Hi Thanks for all your help ,okay as you say cai is a part of europe , " is my final itinerary definately AONE5 cai-lhr-per-mel-chc-mel,per-cns,syd-jfk-scl-lim-eze-gru-jfk-dfw-anc-dfw-jfk,bos-mia-lax-lhr-cai , Elo

If you have checked that all the flights really exist, that is a valid xONE5 to me.

What airline and flight number is LHR-PER? I just checked www.itn.net, and can only find connections; I can't find a single flight number covering that entire distance.

QF16 LHR-PER via SIN, not a daily service, though.

Thanks, it's nice to know of another very long trip that can be done with one flight number.

Just for kicks, I pulled up the price for LHR-PER one way in first: $11,963!! Thank God we know about RTWs; I sure couldn't fly up front otherwise.

Hi Folks I would finally like to put this itinerary to bed so I can have a good sleep .BA in cai are still insisting that my itinerary fare aone5 is 49471 ,as they believe I have an extra flight in America . more advise is needed , as this is turning out to be like a court case . I will make my case for the defence , based on what I believe to be Valid , here goes cai-lhr-per-mel-chc-mel,percns,syd-jfk-scl-lim-eze-gru-jfk-dfw-anc-dfw-jfk,bos-mia-lax-lhr-cai ,Now before I come to the prosecutions case I have checked the validator many times ,and it has agreed with my IT. BA are saying that I have an extra flight in america which I do not read . I come back from gru to jfk , that reads to me as an intercontinental ,irrespective of landing in jfk ,that means that my first NA is jfk -dfw
, also Syd-scl they have not made it clear that I can go on qf107 transfering in jfk to lan 531 to scl Please can someone sort out this confusion ,so clearly next time I contact Mrs Sobhi , my defence will be water tight Thanks exhausted Elo

Rather than argueing with CAI I would advice you to call BA UK/US and request an agent with RTW knowledge.

Hi N.W.O. I have checked with Ba ,which I explained in a previous post, and even they are not up to scratch ,my last resort is too speak to QF , as my experience with the australians in most service related issues has been excellent. Just as a footnote I have noticed that cai have misinterpreted a jkk-bos as a flight and not a surface sector ,so all in all this is where the problem lay. The only other issue now remains syd-scl . Never the less Thank you for the continued support ,which is turning out to be like along boring book elo

ELO,

With respect, if the standard of English with which you are communicating with BA Cairo is similar to that with which you are writing here then I am not surprised that you are having difficulties. When dealing with people for whom English is not the first language I find that it helps enormously to write simple, precise, well punctuated English. Your posts here, frankly, meet none of these criteria.

Personally I have never had any significant difficulties with BA or AA (Emeco) in Cairo.

Hi Christep also with respect .I am not at school anymore , and I did not realise there was a rule on written english . However in light of what you have written ,maybe I should of explained more clearly my itinerary to BA in cairo , but looking back I did .so in future I would appreciate a more "stick to the itinerary approach ,rather than what I see as a slant on my written english.

Christep has made a valid point. I have not had any difficulties with either BA or AA in Cairo. Since some of your postings have require a second or third reading in order to understand your point, I can see why there can be confusion between BA/AA and yourself. However, ELO also has a valid point. The BA RTW office does misintrepret its own rules as many here have stated.

Consequently, if the itinerary is valid ELO could fax the itinerary to EMECO and get the itinerary approved, priced, and issued. Failing that fax the itinerary to AA RTW desk in the US get them to approve the itinerary and send it off to Dublin for pricing, obtain the locator, and forward that to EMECO for ticket issuance. Emeco will then fedex the ticket to ELO.

Hi Jerry a.laska
I have finally had an agreed itinerary with fare and taxes for an Aone 5 . it comes to 51230 egp. however I can still not make sense of the breakdown in taxes . Can you help my itinerary is confirmed as cai-lhr-per-mel-chc-mel,per-cns,syd-jfk-scl-lim-eze-gru-jfk-dfw-anc-dfw-jfk,bos-mia-lax-lhr-cai.
Then this the breakdown of the taxes ,which does not make much sense . it reads exactly as the email . EGP691EG1741YQ/898GB/268UB/70QR/350AU/45WG/16QK/139WY/86WY/450US/151ZQ/55QO. It seems an excessive amount of an airfare 46270. with taxes etc nearly £500.00 ? Thanks elo

Taxes of almost 10% of the price, though a bit high, is not unheard of for these type of tickets. The normal range is 5-8% of ticket price. And taxes vary whether you transit or stop in a city. The UK is awful in this regard, as a stop in the UK will cost you 40 GBP when you travel in a premium cabin.

Another thing that I have noticed on tickets reviewed by European tariff desks is double foreign exchange conversions. I believe that BA in the UK translates US $ to GBP and then converts that to the local currency. If you do many of these transactions, it can add up.

Taxes on my AONE's ex CAI have averaged about 12% of the total ticket price.
This website can help you figure out the taxes for yourself:
http://www.consolidatedtravel.com.au/qf/taxes.asp

Hi Thank you all for all the advice and I know for sure that if it was not for flyertalk and its members I would not have succeededin this rtw Elo