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ijgordon Dec 24, 2004 11:19 am

Involuntary Downgrades on RTW - Compensation?
 
So, I'm already ticketed and reserved for an upcoming RTW AONE5. Segment in question is KIX-HKG on Cathay, which had been booked (and ticketed) in F/A. AA RTW desk calls and notifies of a schedule/equipment change such that my flight no longer offers F class (346 -> 773). Am I entitled to any involuntary downgrade compensation since I was already ticketed in First Class?

Would the 773 be that bad in J? I have several other CX flights in F already, so I will get to experience the service. Maybe it would be interesting to compare F to J?
Or, I can take the morning flight which offers F on the 333. However, that would only give me 1 1/2 days in Kyoto, instead of 2. Anyone know if that's enough?

Thanks

wideman Dec 24, 2004 2:02 pm

You're definitely not entitled to compensation. At best, you might be able to get a free reissue w/amended itinerary (NRT-HKG instead of KIX-HKG).

I don't know what schedules you're looking at; the morning (10am) flight in late November was a 330 with C/Y. (There's also an 11am flight, but that stops in TPE and I believe is also C/Y.) The only problem with the flight was that they originally said we'd arrive at gate 3, but then changed to gate 70.

The flight in C is fine. You get the expected CX service along with a decent meal. I enjoy resting on long flights, but I don't have much use for a sleeper seat on a less-than-4-hour flight.

And I'm afraid that 2 days, let alone 1.5, isn't nearly enough to explore and enjoy Kyoto.

ijgordon Dec 25, 2004 11:02 am


Originally Posted by wideman
You're definitely not entitled to compensation. At best, you might be able to get a free reissue w/amended itinerary (NRT-HKG instead of KIX-HKG).

OK, though I'd ask.


I don't know what schedules you're looking at; the morning (10am) flight in late November was a 330 with C/Y. (There's also an 11am flight, but that stops in TPE and I believe is also C/Y.) The only problem with the flight was that they originally said we'd arrive at gate 3, but then changed to gate 70.
Well, previously only the Thursday PM departure in February KIX-HKG had been operated by the 346. EQV on other days, but no FC (I think maybe on Sunday). Now, and I think this was a very recent schedule change, The CWT ITN tool hadn't picked it up, although the AvailabilityTool did, the Thursday PM departure is operated by a 773 and the Thursday AM departure is operated by the 333 with F.


The flight in C is fine. You get the expected CX service along with a decent meal. I enjoy resting on long flights, but I don't have much use for a sleeper seat on a less-than-4-hour flight.
And I'm afraid that 2 days, let alone 1.5, isn't nearly enough to explore and enjoy Kyoto.
OK, I'll suck it up and fly J to get more time in Kyoto, it's just a bummer that I pay for F but can't always use it. Although, on this 20-segment AONE5 I am getting 3-class F on 10 of the segments, which I think is pretty good.

number_6 Dec 27, 2004 5:18 pm

I've had as few as 2 segments in 3-class F on an AONEx ticket. It all depends on how tight your schedule and routing is. In fact my last DONEx had more 3-class F segments in it! (thanks to upgrades on QF, BA and CX). I suppose it evens out in the end, but I've found A availability to be quite bad on my dates/routes. Combined with the decline in service levels in F and improvement in J and it really isn't worth it on some routes/schedules.

ijgordon Dec 29, 2004 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by number_6
I've had as few as 2 segments in 3-class F on an AONEx ticket. It all depends on how tight your schedule and routing is. In fact my last DONEx had more 3-class F segments in it! (thanks to upgrades on QF, BA and CX). I suppose it evens out in the end, but I've found A availability to be quite bad on my dates/routes. Combined with the decline in service levels in F and improvement in J and it really isn't worth it on some routes/schedules.

Interesting. I had no problems getting A inventory on any flight except the LA SYD-AKL flight. The 10 flights in D/J are on intra-continental 2-class flights which seem hard to avoid on most continents -- e.g,. only getting F on LHR-CAI in Europe (purchasing CAI-IST, and IST-LHR is in CE) and SFO-JFK in NA, but more successful in Asia (BKK-SIN-HKG-NRT). And none of the intra-Australia/NZ flights offer F (except that elusive LA flight...)


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