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ideas for sticky - rules etc
i included have asked many questions about rtw and the forum seems to full of the same q's
so those who know should put all the info somewhere- here? and then stick it at the top with the title - things to look at before asking ie-Q> can i go to HNL? A > only if travelling from the US to Australia (and no other way) -Q> can i go to vietnam or cambodia A> no even though its on the One world schedules Q> can i go to the mid east twice and be clever for a status run A> no you can't you can only use 2 seg's between LHR and the Mid East etc etc. if someone could find the very latest star files and post the link, i would be happy to go through them and pull out the important parts such as the answers and questions to often asked q's or are usermarks as up to date as poss? |
I have been thinking about the sticky thread thing for a while. We have been lucky that out of the goodness of a couple of FTer's hearts, a lot of oneworld info is stored on web pages they personally manage. Getting to these pages is easy IF you find a message that references the relevant link. Clearly it would be good to have one sticky to contain these links at the very least. Looking beyond that, a sticky specifically for the various ow ticket rules and answers to the common questions that come up would benefit a large number of visitors. It could also be useful to have a sticky that summarizes benefits and eligibility criteria for all of the FF programs (way back when ow started a bunch of us put this info together and Fewmiles put it up on his web site).
I have a couple of concerns though. First, I would hate to see too many sticky threads as ultimately this would distract from the day to day flow of the forum. Second, would going in this direction imply the need to appoint a moderator? (For sticky thread management and arbitration on contributions). I will be completely upfront and state that in principle I am firmly against the moderator concept. However, I will conceed that they are sometimes a necessary evil on very active boards and those where controversy can easily erupt. As far as the oneworld forum goes, I think it is a lot more easy going, friendly and in many ways more helpful than some of the other FT fora. Over the past 5 years (has it really been that long?!?!? :)) it has flourished quite well without moderation. So, I'd prefer it if this forum remained moderator free. Edited to add: I replied to ajinlondon's original post thinking more about the broader implications by what he proposed and neglected to to offer my support and help to him if this get's pushed forward - 'cause basically it's worth doing. |
Sticky...my vote is a big YES
Excellent idea... ^
I am considering a RTW in 2005 and although I have read many messages on this board...and looked at many of the useful references...there are still a lot of questions lurking in the back of my mind which I am sure such a post could address. Better here in one place than asking questions spread across a number of threads...the titles of which may...or may not...entice those with the knowledge to read and respond to. |
YES (please)!
As a complete ***newbie*** I am uncomfortable asking the most basic dumb questions. So I search and try to learn and hope for the best. My new employer is not against my using a RTW to go to a couple of clients and conference in Q1 2005.
A sticky would help me, and others, in a really big way! |
Huge fan of a resources/links to threads/common answers/advice to newbies type sticky. And while I agree with mgm on not really needing a moderator for this forum, perhaps a cabal of the more knowledgeable and frequent posters here could co-operate (offline?) to agree on the content of the sticky, and we could get it stuck and locked. I like the idea of comprehensive stickies, but no-one needs to read 410,976 "great post" posts that almost inevitably follow. As for updating/correcting, that IMV is what the edit function is for - when OW changes the rules or a new flight is introduced that makes old information incorrect, you can PM the poster and he/she can update the locked sticky. Maybe that is heading down the moderator route, but I for one would prefer not having to trawl through 8 pages of drivel just to check which are the current affiliate airlines for the Global Explorer ticket.
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There's something to be said about 'sticky rules'. Airline reps don't like passengers to wave sets of rules in front of them especially since they DO have access to the same set of rules in their CRS. It all depends on how each person interprets the rules. One airline can interpret differently from another and it all depends on who is issuing or reissuing your ticket.
Although each airline has their own sets of rules on any RTW. They are not worded the same.. thus, what you have ie AA's set of rules might be worded slightly different from CX's. You would then have to see what CX's set of rules is.. and interpret from THAT set of rules. |
Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
There's something to be said about 'sticky rules'. Airline reps don't like passengers to wave sets of rules in front of them especially since they DO have access to the same set of rules in their CRS. It all depends on how each person interprets the rules. One airline can interpret differently from another and it all depends on who is issuing or reissuing your ticket.
Although each airline has their own sets of rules on any RTW. They are not worded the same.. thus, what you have ie AA's set of rules might be worded slightly different from CX's. You would then have to see what CX's set of rules is.. and interpret from THAT set of rules. |
And it would be good to have the different interpretations or potential areas of discrepency identified so we all know when we need to be careful and ask the airlines directly for the interpretation.
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I suggested something similar with respect specifically to links to fare tables and star files, but got a response that this board didn't want that sort of sticky as we don't want too many people finding out too much about RTWs and fares ex different countries as that may jeapordise the continuing existence of these fares..... :confused:
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What about a 'plain English' translation of each set of rules? It would deal with a fair few questions that crop up on this board.
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regarding posting the prices etc.. it wasn;t my intention to put these into a sticky, that sort of information should be for the ft community and for those part of it they know where to look / ask, not really for lurkers..
it was just for the - very freq Q's - like above - why can't i go to hawaii - but i'm allowed - no you;re not- yes i am, i read the rules like this - type of discussions i will start this anyway- Q) what airlines can i fly with a ONE ticket A) Any current oneworld partner airline, Aer Lingus, American Airlines, British airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, Lan, Qantas you may also fly affiliate airlines, • American ConnectionSM * • American Eagle® ** • British Mediterranean §+ • BA CitiExpress § • Comair §+ • GB Airways §+ • Loganair §+ • Sun-Air §+ • Zambian Airways §+ • Regional Air §+ • Lan Express • LanPeru •QantasLink ‡ • Jetconnect Aer Lingus, Cathay Pacific Airways and Finnair do not have any affiliates. * AmericanConnection service is operated by one of the following independent carriers: Trans State Airlines Inc., Chantauqua Airlines Inc., and Corporate Airlines Inc.. ** American Eagle service includes flights operated by Executive Air, TWA, and American Connection. § Independently operated franchise carriers using the British Airways name, livery and flight code and offering British Airways products and services. † LAN flights operated by LanEcuador and LanDominicana are not included. ‡ QantasLink includes flights operated by National Jet Systems, Eastern Australia, Southern Australia, and Sunstate Airlines. the ticket must fly on one of the above airlines, codeshares with other partner/ affiliate airlines are not permitted on this ticket Any destinations in Vietnam and Cambodia are not allowed on a ONE ticket (Government Restrictions) If a ticket includes travel to / from / via Cuba it may not also include flight segments for travel on American Airlines / American Eagle / American Connection due to US Government restrictions if people can start posting Q) and A)'s to often asked stuff then when we think there is enough create a new thread then maybe ask a mod to stick it.. or at the very least we will be able to link newbies to the new thread |
Q) what restrictions do i have per area/ continent
A) Europe - Not more than two Europe/Middle East flights may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: Algeria; Armenia; Azerbaijan; Bulgaria; Cyprus; Georgia; Greece; Israel; Malta; Morocco; Funchal, Portugal; Romania; Russia; Tunisia; Ukraine; Yugoslavia; and the Middle East. Americas - Within North America, only one transcontinental flight is allowed between selected cities on the East and West Coasts. only 1 segment is permitted between the US and HNL - (thus you must go to/from Australia) Australia/ Pacific - Within Australia only one flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns or Sydney or between Darwin and Melbourne or Sydney (this restriction does not apply for passengers traveling to/from Africa on the Sydney-Perth direct flights). Asia- No tickets to Vietnam or Cambodia permitted South America -? Africa - ? |
Q) if i buy a first class rtw and there is no F class on my flight what happens?
A) you will travel in the next avail class J or Y and you will only receive Frequent Flyer points for the class you fly maybe for the above Q we can put together what routes actually have a proper F class service.? |
Q) how are the ONE zones defined
A) http://www.tarom.net/ba/explorer.pdf if you look here you will see a map, that will give you a brief outline of what each zone is defined by. Q) how many flights am i allowed on a ONE ticket A) up to a max of 20 you are permitted 4 Segments (segment is a flight with 1 continuous flight number) per continent/Zone - you are allowed 6 in the US - you are only allowed 2 stops in the continent/zone of origin (but you may still use the 4/6 segments) trans pac/ atl flights do not count towrds your zone allowance Q) can i end my itininary in a differnet city than i purchased it in, A) yes you can for example start in CAI and end in DXB 4. ORIGIN-DESTINATION SURFACE PERMITTED: 112N . -WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.-BETWEEN U.S.A-CANADA 113N . -WITHIN AFRICA 114N . -WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST 115N . -BETWEEN HKG-CHINA 116N . -BETWEEN BANGLADESH-BKK/SIN 117N . -WITHIN SOUTH AMERICA 118N . -BETWEEN MAYLAYSIA-SIN |
Q) What constitutes a segment for the purposes of the fare rules?
A) A segment is a flight with a single flight number between two cities - whether or not it stops between origin and destination, and whether or not there is a change of a/c along the way E.g. SYD-JFK is one segment (and does not count towards one transcon in NA) even though it stops in LAX BUT NRT-BKK is two segments - CX NRT-HKG and CX HKG-BKK as no single flight number on OW airline can get you between NRT and BKK |
Q) Can I re-enter a region/continent after leaving it?
A) Generally NO ecept in the following circumstances: -- where only transiting through Asia on a Europe-SWP flight (or vice versa) -- where only transiting through Asia on a SWP-NA flight (or vice versa) -- others? (eg Europe from Africa??) |
Q) where can i fly on a Oneworld ticket
A) you can get an idea of available destinations from the AA website http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/wh...horEvent=false if you choose the link - and select oneworld cities once the area has loaded Q) what tools are available for working out my itinary A) you can download the Oneworld electronic timetable here http://www.oneworldtimetable.com/oneworld.exe |
Q) Can I upgrade some of the sectors to fly business/first class?
A) In limited circumstances. (i) You can upgrade your entire itinerary - subject to availability - by paying the higher class fare but otherwise without penalty, (ii) flights operated by AA may be upgraded with AA miles, (iii) US/Canada domestic flights operated by AA may be upgraded with 500-mile "sticker" upgrades issued by AA, (iv) flights on BA that offer World Traveler Plus (WT+) service can be upgraded for USD300/AUD600 except for service between LHR and SYD/MEL where the charge is USD450/AUD900. BA also offers "on board" upgrades for prices ranging from GBP200 up if there is a spare seat on board. Talk to the purser when you board, but these upgrades only qualify for the mileage/status you originally booked. For instance you were in BA economy and upgraded on board to WT+ for GBP200 on LHR-SIN, you only get the discount economy miles, not the WT+ miles. Q) What is the booking class for RTW tickets on OneWorld? I want to work out how many miles I will earn. A) Basically Economy = L, Business = D, First = A. On AA flights within the US that only offer Coach and First, you are booked into the A (First) inventory if it is available. For domestic flights with Lan Chile (where there is no premuim cabin), Y is the applicable booking class for business or first class tickets; economy tickets still book into L class. As specified in another FAQ, other than the AA business-books-into-first thing, if the inventory is not available for your class you get downgraded to the next inventory bucket and no compensation or refund is payable. |
Originally Posted by eamus
Q) What is the booking class for RTW tickets on OneWorld? I want to work out how many miles I will earn.
A) Economy = L, Business = D, First = A. On flights within the US that only offer Coach and First, you are booked into the A (First) inventory if it is available. General rule: Where no first / business cabin is available, the next booking class down to the ticket class will be booked. Eg If no A class available, use D, if no D available use Y. If no Y available, you're on the wing :rolleyes: |
RE: Upgrades
While I don't think it is mentioned specifically in the rules I believe QF FF's can upgrade individual QF sectors with miles or upgrade credits.
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Q) Can I take the QF flight from LAX-JFK (or v.v.) within the U.S.
A) Yes, with qualifications. You may have to argue with res. staff as technically QF do not have traffic rights on that sector. |
this is how it looks soo far - this is primarily for THE ONE WORLD EXPLORER TICKETS
Q) What airlines can i fly with on a ONE ticket A) Any current Oneworld partner airline, Aer Lingus, American Airlines, British airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, Lan, Qantas you may also fly affiliate airlines, • American ConnectionSM * • American Eagle® ** • British Mediterranean §+ • BA CitiExpress § • Comair §+ • GB Airways §+ • Loganair §+ • Sun-Air §+ • Zambian Airways §+ • Regional Air §+ • Lan Express • LanPeru •QantasLink ‡ • Jetconnect Aer Lingus, Cathay Pacific Airways and Finnair do not have any affiliates. * AmericanConnection service is operated by one of the following independent carriers: Trans State Airlines Inc., Chantauqua Airlines Inc., and Corporate Airlines Inc.. ** American Eagle service includes flights operated by Executive Air, TWA, and American Connection. § Independently operated franchise carriers using the British Airways name, livery and flight code and offering British Airways products and services. † LAN flights operated by LanEcuador and LanDominicana are not included. ‡ QantasLink includes flights operated by National Jet Systems, Eastern Australia, Southern Australia, and Sunstate Airlines. NOTE: The ticket must fly on one of the above airlines, codeshares with other partner/ affiliate airlines are not permitted on this ticket NOTE If a ticket includes travel to / from / via Cuba it may not also include flight segments for travel on American Airlines / American Eagle / American Connection due to US Government restrictions Note: It is possible to fly with one airline and use another airlines booking ie fly BA but use an AA flight code this is usually defined by having an extra digit in the flight number - this benefit is to consied which frequent flyer membership you are with and what bonuses are given with these flights Q) How are the ONE regions defined A) http://www.tarom.net/ba/explorer.pdf If you look here you will see a map, this shows you the defined regions The continets and the countries contained below are defined as North America- UNITED STATES/ CANADA/MEXICO/CARIBBEAN AREA/CENTRAL AMERICA/PANAMA South America - ALL OF SOUTH AMERICA /EXCLUDING Europe -ALL OF EUROPE /INCLUDING ALGERIA, MOROCCO, TUNISIA,ALL OF MIDDLE EAST /INCLUDING ,EGYPT, SUDAN Africa - ALL OF AFRICA /EXCLUDING ALGERIA,EGYPT, MOROCCO, TUNISIA Asia - ALL OF ASIA /EXCLUDING THE SOUTH WEST PACIFIC South West - ALL OF SOUTH WEST PACIFIC Q) What restrictions do i have per region/ continent A) Europe - Not more than two Europe/Middle east flights may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: Algeria; Armenia; Azerbaijan; Bulgaria; Cyprus; Georgia; Greece; Israel; Malta; Morocco; Funchal, Portugal; Romania; Russia; Tunisia; Ukraine; Yugoslavia; and the Middle East. Americas - Within North America, only one transcontinental flight is allowed between selected cities on the East and West Coasts defined as between BWI/BOS/FLL/BDL/MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/PHL/SJU/YYZ/WAS AND LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/SNA/PDX/SAN/SFO/SEA/SJC/YVR only 1 segment is permitted between the US and Hawaii- (thus you must go to/from Australia) Australia/ Pacific - Within Australia only one flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns or Sydney or between Darwin and Melbourne or Sydney (this restriction does not apply for passengers traveling to/from Africa on the Sydney-Perth direct flights). Asia- No tickets to Vietnam or Cambodia permitted South America -? Africa - ? Q) Where can i fly on a Oneworld ticket A) You can get an idea of available destinations from the AA website http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/w...chorEvent=false if you choose the link - and select oneworld cities once the area has loaded Q) What tools are available for working out my itinary/ timetables A) You can download the Oneworld electronic timetable here http://www.oneworldtimetable.com/oneworld.exe Q) Can I re-enter a region/continent after leaving it? A) Generally NO ecept in the following circumstances: -- where only transiting through Asia on a Europe-SWP flight (or vice versa) -- where only transiting through Asia on a SWP-NA flight (or vice versa) -- others? (eg Europe from Africa??) --I believe NA, to/from South America. Q) Can i backtrack A) Yes you can backtrack within the region/continent provided you meet the above rules Q) If i buy a first class rtw and there is no first class on my flight what happens? A) You will travel in the next avail class J/D or Y and you will only receive Frequent Flyer points for the class you fly. If the inventory is not available for your class you payed for you get downgraded to the next inventory bucket/ class and no compensation or refund is payable. Q) How many flights am i allowed on a ONE ticket A) Up to a max of 20 you are permitted 4 Segments per continent/region - you are allowed 6 in the US - you are only allowed 2 stops in the continent/region of origin (but you may still use the 4/6 segments) trans pac/ atantic flights do not count towards your zone allowance Q) What is a stopover defined as A) stopver is defined as a stop over a 24 hr period Q) Are there any benefits of connections within 24 hrs A) Some airports (eg LHR) do not charge transitting pax the airport/departure tax - hence if layover is up to 24 hours, you don't incur this tax. Secondly, you can "stop" in a city even though you are out of stopovers (eg in continent of origin only 2 allowed) but this will not count as a "stopover" if less than 24 hours. Q) What constitutes a segment for the purposes of the fare rules? A) A segment is a flight with a single flight number between two cities - whether or not it stops between origin and destination, and whether or not there is a change of a/c along the way E.g. SYD-JFK is one segment (and does not count towards one transcon in NA) even though it stops in LAX BUT NRT-BKK is two segments - CX NRT-HKG and CX HKG-BKK as no single flight number on OW airline can get you between NRT and BKK Q) Can i end my itininary in a differnet city than i purchased it in, A) Yes you can for example start in CAI and end in DXB Rules state - ORIGIN-DESTINATION SURFACE PERMITTED: WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.-BETWEEN U.S.A-CANADA WITHIN AFRICA WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST BETWEEN HKG-CHINA BETWEEN BANGLADESH-BKK/SIN WITHIN SOUTH AMERICA BETWEEN MAYLAYSIA-SIN Q) Can I upgrade some of the sectors to fly business/first class? A) In limited circumstances. (i) You can upgrade your entire itinerary - subject to availability - by paying the higher class fare but otherwise without penalty, (ii) flights operated by AA may be upgraded with AA miles, (iii) US/Canada domestic flights operated by AA may be upgraded with 500-mile "sticker" upgrades issued by AA, (iv) flights on BA that offer World Traveler Plus (WT+) service can be upgraded for USD300/AUD600 except for service between LHR and SYD/MEL where the charge is USD450/AUD900. BA also offers "on board" upgrades for prices ranging from GBP200 up if there is a spare seat on board. Talk to the purser when you board, but these upgrades only qualify for the mileage/status you originally booked. For instance you were in BA economy and upgraded on board to WT+ for GBP200 on LHR-SIN, you only get the discount economy miles, not the WT+ miles. Q) What is the booking class for RTW tickets on OneWorld? I want to work out how many miles I will earn. A) Basically Economy = L, Business = D, First = A. On AA flights within the US that only offer Coach and First, you are booked into the A (First) inventory if it is available. For domestic flights with Lan Chile (where there is no premuim cabin), Y is the applicable booking class for business or first class tickets; economy tickets still book into L class. As specified in another FAQ, AA Flights booked with a DONE will be booked in F ( and recieve F points), Q) Can I take the QF flight from LAX-JFK (or v.v.) within the U.S. A) Yes, with qualifications. You may have to argue with res. staff as technically QF do not have traffic rights on that sector. Q) I'm nearly ready to book - what is open segments and why do that? A) An Open segment is referred to in ONE as setting your rtw itinary in advance but not confirming your seat on the plane - thus leaving the date "open" but still having your route pre-planned, if you do this it is easier to change you travel plans as you travel rtw - if you book certain flights this may effect changes as you go and you will have to change all the onward flights and not just the next. Please mind the time of year you travel and the avail of F/D seats on certain carriers/routes Q) Can i change my mind A) Yes you can change the dates free of charge (some carriers try to charge you a sevice fee) - you can do a complete re-route of your trip for $75 US with any partner airline but some carriers do try and charge service fees (most notably BA & QF) Q) Where can i get a copy of the rules/ starfiles A) Usermark has an updated record ^ so everybody thank him http://www.hardlink.com/~markdu/OWFi...eExplorer.html Q) You people are talking in code. Do you have a glossary? A) The basics: ONE or OWE = OneWorld Explorer ticket DONE4 = D class (business) OneWorld Explorer ticket for 4 continents. The initial letter is A, D or L depending on whether it is First, Bus. or Economy, and the final number is the number of continents, 3-6 (sometimes a * is used to inidicate a generic question/response) The Airlines: AA = American Airlines AY = Finnair BA = British Airways CX = Cathay Pacific EI = Aer Lingus IB = Iberia LA = Lan Chile QF = Qantas (which DOES NOT HAVE A "U" IN IT !!!!!!!) Other Useful Terms: J, Y, F = the revenue based (paid fare) booking classes for business, economy and first class. *ONE* tickets generally use D, L and A for the respective cabins RTW = round the world SWP = South West Pacific (one of the continents) VDB = voluntary denied boarding, i.e. a "bump" (or v.v.) = or the other direction WT+ = World Traveller Plus, the premium economy cabin on some BA flights 744/A333/A343/74J = types of aircraft. A 744 is a Boeing 747 with the last number changed to indicate the particular configuration (-400 in this case). An A333 is an Airbus A330 of a particular type (-300 in this case). This is the shorthand used by the airlines and you can search the airline forums for advice on seats etc.NOTE: |
if anyone has anything to add or wants to rework the above please feel free- i would like to re post this in a new Q&A for ONE thread - and at least then people can be directed here/there first..
And please point out errrors Thanks you to those who have contributed to the Q&A so far- ^ ^ |
Originally Posted by ajinlondon
... -- others? (eg Europe from Africa??) ...
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Will happily add more if anyone has suggestions
Q) You people are talking in code. Do you have a glossary?
A) The basics: ONE or OWE = OneWorld Explorer ticket DONE4 = D class (business) OneWorld Explorer ticket for 4 continents. The initial letter is A, D or L depending on whether it is First, Bus. or Economy, and the final number is the number of continents, 3-6 (sometimes a * is used to inidicate a generic question/response) The Airlines: AA = American Airlines AY = Finnair BA = British Airways CX = Cathay Pacific EI = Aer Lingus IB = Iberia LA = Lan Chile QF = Qantas (which DOES NOT HAVE A "U" IN IT !!!!!!!) Other Useful Terms: J, Y, F = the revenue based (paid fare) booking classes for business, economy and first class. *ONE* tickets generally use D, L and A for the respective cabins RTW = round the world SWP = South West Pacific (one of the continents) VDB = voluntary denied boarding, i.e. a "bump" (or v.v.) = or the other direction WT+ = World Traveller Plus, the premium economy cabin on some BA flights 744/A333/A343/74J = types of aircraft. A 744 is a Boeing 747 with the last number changed to indicate the particular configuration (-400 in this case). An A333 is an Airbus A330 of a particular type (-300 in this case). This is the shorthand used by the airlines and you can search the airline forums for advice on seats etc. |
well i think the above covers most stuff for a start on a FAQ thread... - or am i way out-
maybe those who read/ view this thread could post to confirm it is ready to be re posted as a new thread with correct title? |
Originally Posted by ajinlondon
well i think the above covers most stuff for a start on a FAQ thread... - or am i way out-
maybe those who read/ view this thread could post to confirm it is ready to be re posted as a new thread with correct title? |
maybe you can do that then--- :D ^
it was trying to - see i've even used bold text in some places.. i can only pay you in gold stars |
Originally Posted by ajinlondon
maybe you can do that then--- :D ^
it was trying to - see i've even used bold text in some places.. i can only pay you in gold stars |
i will search the other threads for oft asked q's
when you pm randy i think that the FAQ should be a locked sticky - most other stickys get so loooong and boring that it seems they dont really end up being of any use.. so if we/ the rest of us - can get it all done first time it would be better.. but thats just me.. :D |
Originally Posted by virtualtroy
General rule: Where no first / business cabin is available, the next booking class down to the ticket class will be booked. Eg If no A class available, use D, if no D available use Y. If no Y available, you're on the wing :rolleyes:
If Iam on a DONEW4 confirmed in "D" class and the airline a.) overbooks business, has no seat available and downgrades. b.) airline changes aircraft and now has lower business seats capacity and downgrades. c.) airline changes aircraft and now no business seats on the new aircraft and downgrades d.) generaly overbooked, bumped and rebooked on next service any general compensation rules for these cases; specialy for Downunder (where QF I searched their forum ) has nothing like European or US cmpensation by law ! |
i assume that there is no more to add?
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This thread is exactly what I needed, being new here... it has already answered a great many of my questions. Talking to either travel agencies or airlines resulted in getting contradictory data, so it's good to find people who know what they're talking about. :) I'll post my specific questions on the DONE4 I've been considering soon. I think my original itinerary is still valid, having looked at the info available here.
So, I've listed the more generic questions I was left with after reading this. And I figured being new, I was the right target demographic to add to the questions. ;) As for the sticky thread, I'd suggest adding something on buying RTW tickets in different countries, the rules that apply and and possible caveats one needs to bear in mind. Also, is there a definition of what "transcontinental" means in the US? Obviously, there's a fairly obvious intuitive definition, but I was wondering whether there's a formal one too. The "selected cities" wording makes me wonder... Are there any benefits from choosing a certain airline on codeshares? Some flights offer a choice between booking on QF or AA, CX or IB, etc. Anything to be gained from that? What exactly is the significance of a stopover? What are the advantages of connecting within 24 hours? What are the chances of getting bumped from First or Business traveling on AONE/DONE? Although it'll be obvious that you're traveling on discounted First or Business fares, how often will you be singled out? Can the ground staff see you're on a RTW and pick on you because of that, or will you be put in the same pool as other A/D passengers? I've flown on D fares a few times and I've never had a problem. What are the routes where "real" long-haul First class is available. It seems to me that these are becoming fewer and fewer. What's the best way to argue with reservations/ticketing if the need arises? Do you refer to the "star file" and specific lines? There seem to be a few of these around; what's the proper nomenclature to use? Those are the questions that I still have. Unfortunately, these are real questions and I can't help much in answering them in the way others have done when posting questions and answers here. I don't know whether all of these questions belong in a FAQ here, as the answer may simply be "it depends," being too situation-specific, or the question might be far too labor-intensive to answer. Anyway, many thanks to all for having provided so much information already! |
Good to see the efforts here already helping people :p
You pose some good questions which have been omitted:
Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
Are there any benefits from choosing a certain airline on codeshares? Some flights offer a choice between booking on QF or AA, CX or IB, etc. Anything to be gained from that?
The only other instance that i know of is for QF FF members who only get status bonuses on QF/AA/BA (eg CX metal and CX flight number - no status bonus miles, BUT CX metal BA/AA/QF flight number - full status bonus miles).
Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
What exactly is the significance of a stopover? What are the advantages of connecting within 24 hours?
Secondly, you can "stop" in a city even though you are out of stopovers (eg in continent of origin only 2 allowed) but this will not count as a "stopove" if less than 24 hours.
Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
What are the chances of getting bumped from First or Business traveling on AONE/DONE? Although it'll be obvious that you're traveling on discounted First or Business fares, how often will you be singled out? Can the ground staff see you're on a RTW and pick on you because of that, or will you be put in the same pool as other A/D passengers? I've flown on D fares a few times and I've never had a problem.
Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
What are the routes where "real" long-haul First class is available. It seems to me that these are becoming fewer and fewer.
QF - SYD/MEL-LHR QF - SYD/MEL-LAX/JFK QF - SIN-LHR QF - BKK-LHR CX - HKG-LHR CX - HKG-JFK CX - HKG-LAX CX - HKG-YVR BA - LHR-MEL/SYD BA - LHR-HKG BA - LHR-BKK BA - LHR-NRT BA - LHR-JFK BA - LHR-LAX BA - LHR-IAD BA - LHR-PHX BA - LHR-SFO BA - LHR-SEA BA - LHR-MIA BA - LHR-JNB BA - LHR-CPT BA - LHR-DXB BA - LHR-AUH BA - LHR-TLV BA - LHR-CAI AA - LAX-NRT AA - MIA-GRU AA - JFK-LHR AA - ORD-LHR AA - DFW-LGW AA - JFK-NRT (this list is longer than I anticipated - others can complete it :cool: ) |
Excellent stuff, guys.
I would second the idea of listing the rule differences for RTWs starting in NA v. say Europe. Also, if the itinerary begins outside NA, it's possible to purchase one or two additional segments over and above the six you're allowed in NA. I regularly do AONEs ex-CAI and purchase two extra Y segments to cover the shortest routes in the US (eg LAX-SAN) at $150 each. Not cheap, but generally better than buying one-way tickets. The additional segments don't have to be in the same class as the main RTW ticket. |
Might as well continue while I'm at it... thanks for the answers to my previous questions.
I've been reading some of the older threads here, and one other question that might be useful to add is the following: Q) Do intercontinental segments count toward the maximum number of stops that are allowed in a continent? A) No. Intercontinental flights don't count against the segment limits for each individual continent, but do count against the 20 segment total limit Taken from http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331471 Q) When will I start to receive the benefits of higher status on my FFP as I rack up the miles/tier points? I'm not entirely sure about the answer here, but I think it's pretty much immediately once you attain the eligibility criteria. Your new, higher status will be printed on the boarding pass for your next flight, which in turn should help with gaining acccess to lounges. The only problem I can see is that your shiny new Emerald pass will be sent to your home address half a world away, which could be problematic if you want to enter a lounge while not on a OW flight. Returning to my question on codeshares, is there is a difference in miles earned on AA domestic F class and the QF codeshare, assuming a DONE ticket? I'd like to get those 180 BA tier points... Another question: how well are luggage maximums aligned on the various carriers? In general, I have found airlines to be rather accomodating on long-haul flights in F/A and J/D, but I can imagine you could run into trouble on a RTW. Finally, there's the issue of fares. Since I was working on my own RTW, once I had found the star files, I created a spreadsheet with all the fares (before I found the other thread here that listed them all...). In any case, since the spreadsheet is done, I've put it online here for those who're interested. It's pretty rough around the edges, as it was not meant for public consumption. Don't worry about the links, as those are to get fx rates from Bloomberg. It works without them too. I've read in one of the older threads that the consensus was not to include fares prominently, so as not to publicize the differences too much. I'll keep the file there for a while in any case. |
the fares aren't /wasn't the intention to be included in this faq, as this changes by rates and also those who want to can look further into the details of such deals.
the star files are also probably best kept out as discussed, the star fliles vary slightly between carriers. also agreed the first class flights should have its own thread. which i would link to on the FAQ page once its stuck. thanks for the other bits i will add them to the faq page further up. also if anyone is good at editing the faq to look appealing would help. im not that good at the features if the ft forum |
Originally Posted by ajinlondon
also if anyone is good at editing the faq to look appealing would help. im not that good at the features if the ft forum
My view would be to separate out the directly *ONE* Qs and As from the mileage implications Qs and As. So we would run through the basics (terminology, basic rules for continent/areas, specific continent and sector limit compliance, "true" F routes versus US-domestic F, baggage limits, e-ticketing), then move on to some of the local rule variations, and obliquely point out price variation (i.e. not list prices or link to them, but point out that prices do vary by country to some extent and a search on that front may be revealing) and then finally deal with the mileage implications (codeshares vs. op. carrier, status/tier credits, when benfits of status kick in). Any other views on how to order it are very welcome. As well of course as additional Qs and As on any of the above, or anything else. |
buying tickets in other countries
Tickets prices can vary by country, sometimes to the advantage of the traveller, so here is my contribution.
If I want to start a RTW in another country, can I pay that price rather than my home country? In order to take advantage of a difference in price between one's home country and some where else, the ticket MUST be issued in the country where you actually begin the RTW itinerary. In answer to another question, all travel on RTW's are on the piece system. Make sure that is noted on hand-written tickets. |
EXCELLENT work here!
From another newbie, great work. Very helpful to me. And I just about wore out the search function on this forum. Many thank you's to all involved in sharing the information.
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