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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 31081198)
You can't create multiple PNRs and then combine them into one ticket, there is no mechanism for that.
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 31081198)
You can't combine separate PNRs and issue one ticket out of all of them.
Originally Posted by christep
(Post 31081877)
I know we have a few TAs in this forum. Could one of them confirm that this is indeed no longer possible? My TAs did it for me many times in the past.
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I'm only talking about OWEs. I am 100% sure that it was possible - my TA used do it all the time. But this was quite a few years ago now.
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Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.
Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR. So 'Many (tickets) to one (PNR)'. I didn't think it could be done the other way. |
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Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 31082373)
Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.
Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR. |
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 31082573)
IIRC only four physical tickets could be put together in one itinerary, thus the 16 segment limit.
But from the OWE rule sheet of Dec-2007 (yes I have a copy!) A minimum of 3 and a maximum of 20 segments, including surface segments, are permitted for the entire journey. |
Edit. It was certainly possible to have 20 segments, but I thought I recalledl more being possible. The oldest rule sheet I can immediately find is 2006, which had the 20 limit. And that was flight segments.
The 16 segment thing (including surface segments) was imposed by the "enhancement" of e-ticketing. Once e-ticketing arrived there was an overlapping period where paper tickets could also be issued, but then they could only be 16 segments (so there was no advantage to paper ticketing). |
OK, here you go - the *STAR file from 1999 for OWE. There was no segment limit that I can see beyond the 6 in NA, 4 in each other continent, and you could purchase up to 2 extra segments in each continent except the origin. So in principle such a xONE6 ticket could contain 42 segments, perhaps with 3 more if you utilised the two continental entry exceptions..
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Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 31078172)
You can have multiple segments (or none) in one ticket.
You can have multiple tickets (or none) in one PNR. A good TA will know how to use these things ... |
Originally Posted by christep
(Post 31082688)
OK, here you go - the *STAR file from 1999 for OWE. There was no segment limit that I can see beyond the 6 in NA, 4 in each other continent, and you could purchase up to 2 extra segments in each continent except the origin. So in principle such a xONE6 ticket could contain 36 segments.
But I think your arithmetic is faulty. Let's see:
I wonder who got the most segments? Perhaps we need a separate thread where people can brag:D (I can't brag - my max is 17, which only happened due to a schedule change) |
Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 31082373)
Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.
Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR. So 'Many (tickets) to one (PNR)'. I didn't think it could be done the other way. Yes, it is possible to have more than one set of conjuncted tickets in one PNR. However, it is against most airlines' rule to issue different tickets across married segments. For example, if TPE-HKG-CGK is booked together and HKG is a transit, you can't have TPE-HKG on one ticket and HKG-CGK on another. |
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 31082729)
How do you have no segment in one ticket? I don't get it...
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 31082653)
But from the OWE rule sheet of Dec-2007 (yes I have a copy!)....
Originally Posted by christep
(Post 31082658)
The oldest rule sheet I can immediately find is 2006, which had the 20 limit. And that was flight segments.
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 31082729)
How do you have no segment in one ticket? I don't get it...
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Originally Posted by christep
(Post 31082327)
I'm only talking about OWEs. I am 100% sure that it was possible - my TA used do it all the time. But this was quite a few years ago now.
Another possibility is that when different systems are involved. For example, an agent using Sabre (either a TA or an AAgent) created the PNR and issued the RTW. The original ticket contains LA segments, which is on a different partition of Sabre (so a different PNR). Then, you asked another airline to do date change or re-issue, so the LA segments get further booked into a different PNR because other airlines using Amadeus would create a new LA PNR when booking LA flights. Historically, most airlines use their own systems, so you have many PNRs and a lot of cross-platform issues (or loopholes). Now, all oneworld airlines except AA and LA use Amadeus, so these kinds of things are less likely to occur. Back to the question, if someone were to attempt to create two PNRs with segments of the same airline that should be married, I suppose the agent would be looking for an ADM. Sure, the agent may also get lucky and not get caught. |
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