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AlwaysOnTheRoad May 25, 2018 10:19 am

Can I Include the Seychelles on a RTW
 
When I enter the following IAD-LHR-SEZ-DOH-SYD... I get the message regarding only one international departure from a continent. Presumably this is since DOH is part of Europe.

Is this an error in the planning tool? As far as I know the only OneWorld option is Qatar from SEZ to DOH.

Help!

henry999 May 25, 2018 11:19 am

Is SEZ considered Africa? That could be why you can't go to DOH, i.e., back to Europe. Isn't there a flight from SEZ to CMB?

AlwaysOnTheRoad May 25, 2018 11:21 am

There is one flight on UL at 5:30 AM. Was hoping to find an alternative as CMB is not my favorite airport.

henry999 May 25, 2018 11:45 am

Yes, but ... if there are only three Oneworld destinations from SEZ -- LHR, DOH and CMB -- and if two of them -- LHR and DOH -- are in Europe / Middle East; and if you're coming from Europe / Middle East -- LHR -- then I'm afraid it doesn't look like you have much choice.

pandaperth May 25, 2018 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by AlwaysOnTheRoad (Post 29793510)
When I enter the following IAD-LHR-SEZ-DOH-SYD... I get the message regarding only one international departure from a continent. Presumably this is since DOH is part of Europe.

Is this an error in the planning tool? As far as I know the only OneWorld option is Qatar from SEZ to DOH.

Help!

Assuming you are talking about a Oneworld Explorer ticket...

Yes, this is an error in the planning tool
It is hopelessly out of date with regards the rules about second visits to continents (amongst other things)

The Seychelles are part of Africa
You are allowed a second visit to the continent of Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa

So your proposed itinerary (IAD-LHR-SEZ-DOH-SYD...) IS valid
- as would be ...LHR-SEZ-LHR...
- or ...DOH-SEZ-DOH...
But you will not be able to book it online using the tool
You will have to contact an airline or a travel agent

Dr. HFH May 25, 2018 5:17 pm

Apparently still no ex-SEZ xONEx fares. Does that mean that they will not permit such an itinerary to originate at SEZ?

Calchas May 27, 2018 4:44 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29794749)
Apparently still no ex-SEZ xONEx fares. Does that mean that they will not permit such an itinerary to originate at SEZ?

So it would appear.

Possibly an oversight.

headinclouds May 27, 2018 7:56 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29794749)
Apparently still no ex-SEZ xONEx fares. Does that mean that they will not permit such an itinerary to originate at SEZ?

There is a fare in EF (only BA). I tried a simple 5 stop trip with the interactive tool starting with the BA SEZ-LHR flight. Says to contact BA for pricing. If it is in the GDS, can a TA issue a ticket at that price? Calling Calchas....

Calchas May 27, 2018 5:01 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 29798728)
There is a fare in EF (only BA). I tried a simple 5 stop trip with the interactive tool starting with the BA SEZ-LHR flight. Says to contact BA for pricing. If it is in the GDS, can a TA issue a ticket at that price? Calling Calchas....

Yes ... unless something else breaks it. :)

Is there really a fare on SEZSEZ? I looked and didn’t see it.

Dave Noble May 27, 2018 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29800116)
Yes ... unless something else breaks it. :)

Is there really a fare on SEZSEZ? I looked and didn’t see it.

Checking CX,JL,QR,AA,QF and BA for SEZ-SEZ on EF, BA does list fares - In USD they are very low at
DGLOB34 $2844
AGLOB34 $3459

DONE4 $2844
DONE5 $3228
DONE6 $3690

AONE4 $3459
AONE5 $3920
AONE6 $4458

Given that only BA is listing the fares and the pricing levels, I would not be surprised if unable to get BA to ticket it

Calchas May 28, 2018 7:21 am

Thanks Dave Noble; I see the tariff now. Don't know why I couldn't see it yesterday.

Code:

SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 16MAY06/1355  EXPIRES INFINITY
I think that might be a record.

pbd456 May 28, 2018 2:31 pm

i see it now.
 
I use expertflyer and dont see the pricing... wonder why?

if i restrict the search to BA, i can see it.

Dr. HFH May 28, 2018 2:42 pm

I tried it. The OW tool gives an error of only one intercontinental arrival and departure per continent is permitted. Called BA. After ½ hour on the phone, they get the same error and can't get by it.

headinclouds May 28, 2018 6:04 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29802835)
I tried it. The OW tool gives an error of only one intercontinental arrival and departure per continent is permitted. Called BA. After ½ hour on the phone, they get the same error and can't get by it.

I tried SEZ-LHR-JFK-LAX-HKG-CMB-SEZ on the OW tool a few weeks ago. No error on routing, just that it could not create a fare for it. And this trip has 1 entry/exit to Africa. Unless SEZ is in the wrong continent.

Calchas May 29, 2018 12:18 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29802835)
Called BA. After ½ hour on the phone, they get the same error and can't get by it.

Please don't tell me they use the same tool?

Dr. HFH May 29, 2018 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29803956)
Please don't tell me they use the same tool?

Well, I couldn't see his keyboard or screen, of course, but it sure sounded that way to me. Insisted, for example, on an itinerary of cities before he would be able to see if he could price it. The error he read back to me was verbatim the same one I got.

skunker May 30, 2018 4:09 pm

Anyone want to call AA RTW desk and see what they say?

pbd456 May 30, 2018 8:23 pm

will aa issue an ba fare?

headinclouds May 31, 2018 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 29810743)
Anyone want to call AA RTW desk and see what they say?

No. With BA there is a very slim chance a few of us might succeed.

Dr. HFH Jun 1, 2018 1:51 pm

I think that the problem is that since you can only fly to SEZ via DOH or LHR, that will count as the second international departure.

anabolism Jun 1, 2018 3:44 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 29798728)
If it is in the GDS, can a TA issue a ticket at that price? Calling Calchas....


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29800116)
Yes ... unless something else breaks it. :)

My local TA (who uses Sabre) books RTW tickets by creating the PNR and then sending it to the plating carrier for pricing, then issues it. Are some TAs able to ticket RTWs without sending to the airline's rate desk?

skunker Jun 1, 2018 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29818514)
I think that the problem is that since you can only fly to SEZ via DOH or LHR, that will count as the second international departure.

UL also flies there from CMB

skunker Jun 1, 2018 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29818857)
My local TA (who uses Sabre) books RTW tickets by creating the PNR and then sending it to the plating carrier for pricing, then issues it. Are some TAs able to ticket RTWs without sending to the airline's rate desk?

Sabre should autoprice oneworld RTW tickets now

anabolism Jun 1, 2018 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 29819069)
Sabre should autoprice oneworld RTW tickets now

As of a couple months ago, he said no, they had to be sent to an airline. Is there a Sabre thing I should ask him to try?

skunker Jun 1, 2018 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29819486)
As of a couple months ago, he said no, they had to be sent to an airline. Is there a Sabre thing I should ask him to try?

It's been capable for a while, although I've never tried. The last link has the commands.

https://www.sabre.com/locations/anz/...jor-alliances/

https://www.oneworld.com/news-inform...pler/maximized

https://www.aasaleslink.com/en-US/do...s_overview.pdf

littlevoices Feb 26, 2023 12:11 am

Maybe to resurrect this thread for options post-COVID: Ideally I would like to visit both Seychelles as well as Zanzibar,or perhaps Mauritius, on a RTW ticket, DONE.

For my entry into Africa, I'm open to either travelling from either Hong Kong (to Doha?) or Perth/Sydney (to Jo'burg or Doha)

It seems that as Doha is the only stop to Seychelles, so I will be limited: Air Maroc doesn't get that far in Africa (nearest stop would be similar to Angola). As such I'm probably stuck with a surface segment to then connect to one of these flights:
1. Mauritius to London
2. Addis Abba to Doha
3. Johannesburg / Capetown to London or Doha

Is there anything I've missed as an alternative option (Seems oneworld has killed the interactive route map so I'm using a free tool).... I guess my "surface" segment would be using Ethiopian Airlines to get between the two... Perhaps in this case I should consider star alliance (note am a long time 10+ years OWE so would prefer to avoid this as without these flights I likely wouldn't renew that status)
Edit: Ok, I tried the Star RTW tool and discovered that it is no better since this rule, more restrictive than OneWorld, "maximum of 1 stopover in any single city", and the tool seems to be including this as a transit, so that means Ethiopian Airlines wouldn't let me transit more than once in ADD, so it is pretty much the same outcome.

Mwenenzi Feb 26, 2023 1:28 am

A broad guide.
Wikipedia is not always up date or include announced future routes.
Look for the OW airlines. Including UL (often overlooked)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyche...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Se...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abeid_...tional_Airport
And
https://www.flightconnections.com/

anabolism Feb 26, 2023 1:47 am

I find EF an indispensable tool for trip planning. I just did a Flight Timetable query for all flights into and out of SEZ, then filtered by OneWorld airlines. The only flight is QR's to/from DOH:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7779898c9b.png


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