Darren:

As usual BA is incorrect and cant follow their own rules.

Regional Air (including flights operated by KQ) is allowed.

so this is a legitimate routing?

jnb-hre-nrb-sez-lhr-DXB-lhr-arn-lhr-LAX-SXM-dfw-jfk-YVR-dfw-LAX-scl-IPC-scl-UIO-scl-jfk-HKG-NRT-HKG-CTS-HKG-jnb

strange that one can go use NA as transit pt to SA but cannot use Europe (2nd time) to get to Africa.
what this means is one can never go africa-europe-asia-.....as there is no OW flight to reach Africa from the Americas

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Trvlguru, I know you know the rules backwards and forwards. In fact, I know you know them well enough to take your word for it. Assuming you are correct, BA was indeed wrong. And this wasn't from an agent, this was from tariffs. Specifically, I tried to do wdh-jnb-hre-nbo-mru-lon, and pay a segment charge at the end to go back to wdh.

Pegasus, you can start in Accra or Lagos and go Africa-Europe-Asia



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My head hurts..... so which of BA's carriers are we allowed to use in Africa? Can I use the BA coded flight from Lusaka to NBO?

rich

To make it more confusing, I just had two tickets issued by AA with the routing JNB-HRE-NBO-SZE-LHR. Will I be denied boarding at HRE?

seems one can go JNB-HRE-NBO, or JNB-LUN-NBO.
on BA's site it said "operated by BA" in the main page !!!
(although the flight # is in the 8000's, and if u click into the flight icon, it said regional air operated by kenyan air)

dbala, when r u flying? i believe since u have your ticket already, u sd be fine.
let us know what happened.
if u call AA to verify, they might reverse the decision http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
http://www.british-airways.com/regio...ir/index.shtml
it says Regional and AirKenya are basically the same company, so our Guru is right on

also, do u have any suggestion on good routes for teh africa segments?
i am thking: JNB-HRE-NBO-SEZ-LHR, any improvement on such route?

darren, true, but for me the rand fare is the real incentive of going to africa


[This message has been edited by pegasus8228 (edited 12-12-2001).]

Hi Pegasus 8228

I was originally planning to fly in Feb and had a routing of JNB-HRE-surface-NBO-SZE-NBO-MRU-LHR. The NBO-MRU flight got cancelled and I got it reissued. I would now fly in April starting a five continent First class trip from JNB. You should also explore buying a ticket using Aire Zambia or Air Mauritius, and fly from either HRE-MRU or SZE-MRU.

thx, drbala.

i understand that tkts intr-africa r probably quite cheap with Air Zambia.
but there are only 2 flights per week to MRU/SEZ, so i think i will probably just plan on CPT/JNB/VFA this time.
unless you tell me HRE/NBO is some very interesting place to visit http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif)

Sorry for the beginner's question, but if I buy RTW ex-CPT departing next May now in the States by AA, would I be guranteed of the price should my itinerary chance before the departure? It would be First class. Its that not just exact timing but also the confusng aspects of southern/eastern African journeys keep me worried.

My proposed itinerary:
CPT-JNBx-HRE-NBO-SEZ-surface-JNBx-LHRx-BKK-SIN-HKG-TPE-NRT-DFW-GDL-DFWx-LGA/JFK-SXM-JFK-BGI-LHR-IST-LHR-HEL-LHR-CPT.

surface SEZ-JNB would be taken by SA or Air
Seychelles.

Any comments and suggestions would be most
appreciated.


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is there any particular reason to go 'surface', there is BA flight direct from SEZ-LHR (also MRU-LHR, which u can buy a 1-way SEZ-MRU, i suppose)

darren also said that u cannot transit via LHR twice, i.e. u have to go JNB-HKG eastward if u want to pass europe later

Although I am not sure how to read where you are stopping in Africa I think you may violate the following rules:

"1 INTL DEPARTURE AND 1 INTL ARRIVAL FROM/TO THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN PERMITTED"

You seem to arrive in South Africa twice although one is surface so who knows how they will apply the rule.

"MAXIMUM 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT OF ORIGIN."

As i said I am not sure where you are actually stopping so not sure if you violate this one.

Also I believe that Darren is correct and South Africa originations do not permit to arrivals into Europe.

rich

Just wanted to give all of you a complete copy of BA Affiliates that can be used with OWE as taken from Sabre.

BRITISH AIRWAYS -
BRITISH ASIA
BRITISH MEDITERRANEAN
BRITISH REGIONAL AIRLINES
INCLUDING FLIGHTS OPERATED
BY BD COMMUTER
BRYMON AIRWAYS
CITYFLYER EXPRESS
COMAIR
DEUTSCHE BA /DI/
INCLUDING FLIGHTS OPERATED
BY WDL
GB AIRWAYS
LOGANAIR
MAERSK AIR LTD
NATIONAL JET ITALIA (NJI)
(XLD 11/12/01)
OPERATED BY BRITISH WORLD
REGIONAL AIR (EFF 07JUN01)
INCLUDING FLIGHTS OPERATED
BY KQ
SUN-AIR
ZAMBIAN AIRWAYS (EFF 1/15/01)
OPERATED UNDER BA CODE

Also, they used to allow Africa from Europe round-trip but not anymore. Hopefully they won't change the NA to SA option.

Thank you very much, Pegasus and Richland.
I am currently buried with five different tickets of all sorts and I need to really sit down and cool my head and open a world atlas to figure this out. Will appreciate your insights in the near future very much.

in the mean time, happy holidays. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

seems ex-CPT is a better choice, if one want to use JNB as a later transit point

mine will be
CPT-jnb-lhr-dxb-lhr-IST-lhr-LAX-SXM-jfk-YVR-dfw-LAX-dfw-scl-UIO-scl-IPC-scl-jfk-HKG-NRT-HKG-CTS-HKG-jnb-VFA-jnb-CPT