new rule change?
 

heard there were some new change in RTW, OWE
can anyone confirm this?
1. cannot book in A in 2-class planes in NA if you are in DONE3, u have to be in M instead
2. no more 1 transcontinental rule

anyone can confirm this?

anyone knows if these changes are true ? removing the one-transcontinental-flight-only restriction would be a really great change...

You guys Be happy
I just finished a one hour phone call to Michael of AA RTW Desk and he happily booked me a first class RTW ticket consisting of the following routing within US
===MIA-MSY-SEA-MIA-LAX-SJU-LAX-SYD=====
AS YOU SEE IT HAS SEA-MIA, MIA-LAX, LAX-SJU, SJU-LAX ALL TRANSCONTINENTAL
I didnt specifically ask him whether the rule has been changed.
Good luck

wow.. if the transcon rule has changed, I may need to change some of my routes on my current ticket... =P

Do it soon. The OWE rules change frequently and now are variable depending on the country of origin. More challenging of course

The elimination of the trans-con rule would be GREAT news. drbala, please let us know more details about what you have found out. Although I may advocate DFW - ANC, I certainly would prefer a P Class seat from MIA - SEA with only a 300 mile cost each way!!

rich

I just called in this morning and added an extra SFO-JFK segment.. No problem at all... have to go to the ticket office today to get the ticket re-issued. If only this change was done earlier! =P

Hi RichLond

Your point well taken about SEA-MIA rather than DFW-ANC. I agree and will sacrifice 300 miles for a P class service. I have now confirmed my new RTW itinerary following your advice and will post soon

I called AARTW desk today and talked to a very nice and helpful agent *Jeannie= whom I now quite well on the telephone. I asked her point blank whether the one transcontinental trip rule is gone; to my surprise she said no, it is still there. I AM CONFUSED, HELP http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redface.gif

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Jeannie is one of the best and most knowledgable people at the desk. Personally, she is one of only 3 people who I would believe without seriously checking it out. That being said, she will make mistakes from time to time, so I would just go to a cto and ask for a star printout with the updated rules. I don't have the starcode location anywhere near me, but I am sure someone will email it to you if you need it.

dbala,

can we hide their names? e.g the agent who let u book the 5 transcont.
just in case if it turned out to be a mistake, he wont be held responsible for being generous to you.

I just had my OneWorld Explorer RTW re-issued with 2 transcon on it. When I called the RTW desk, they were ok with the new routing, and when the ticket agent called the international fare and tarrif desk to re-calculate the ticket, they didn't seem to have a problem with it either. So I guess the one transcon rule is gone...

Finally the cat is out of the bag With considerable help from fellow FTs and brilliant suggestions from Hagabard and others I have now purchased the following First class RTW OW ticket for $5050.95 all taxes and an extra segment included. Total base miles 65000+ Total actual miles 162500.Achieved AA Platinum status
Routing:
arn-lhr-mia-msy-sea-mia-dfw-lax-sju-jfk-syd-per-mel-akl-syd-hkg-del-hkg-bom-hkg-lhr-mct-lhr-arn

This should be very close to getting you Executive Plat. status on Q-points, if not being sufficient already (65000 base miles * 1.50 Q-points/mile = close to 100000 Q-points). Be sure to enrol in the Platinum Challenge if you do not already have Plat status or higher!

FewMiles..

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Re: the one transcontinental rule, I can't confirm this, but that doesn't mean it's not true. The rules from N*/OW EXPLORER I have posted on the Unofficial oneworld Info Desk are dated 25Jun2001 (the date is listed on the left of the last line of the star file), so if there have been any changes, they are very recent indeed.

Re: the DONE* fare, I can't remember who posted it or how the person phrased it, but a few months back there was someone who posted on the AA forum about buying a supposedly "business class" OWE but ending up in coach for the domestic segments... in fact I can't remember if it was more a complaint about this problem of not letting him/her into A-class on 2-class planes on a DONE* or more a complaint about capacity controls.

Disclaimer: Even though I am the "keeper" of the Unoffical oneworld Info Desk, I am entirely reliant upon others for the source info so I can only give answers based on the info I have available. Note that I cannot speak from experience as I have not done a OWE http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redface.gif ... yet http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif !

FewMiles..

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if i remember correctly, it turns out that that person was actually looking at Global Explorer (or some other 2-airline RTW combo) instead of oneworld Explorer, and for that specific RTW fare, in business class, domestic AA flights are indeed booked in economy and not first...something like that...

According to this routing you only have one transcon. SEA - MIA the others do not count as you are transiting in the midwest. Even though your JFK-SYD flight stops in LAX you are probably transiting hence it does not count. The reason I mentioned this is because last week I called AA twice to check on the rule change and both times they said no it has not changed and only one transcon is allowed.

Am I interpreting this correctly?

I count to two transcons: SEA-MIA and LAX-SJU.

There are very specific city pairs that qualify as a trans-con. SJU - LAX is not on that list and hence does not count as a trans-con.

rich

Maybe the info is already outdated but according to the city-pair list in the "oneworld Explorer Rules and Notes" on fewmiles' web site, updated 26 June 2001, SJU-LAX is considered a transcon.

fewmiles,

i heard the new rule change takes effect on monday july 9th.

so your inferences are right. they are new.

Interesting news pegasus... I will try to get a hold of a new copy of N*/OW EXPLORER for you guys. Anyone have access to Sabre? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

FewMiles..

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What about the Australia transcons? Are these allowed again?

This makes how many rule changes in how many months?

Hi everyone,

I just received today a copy of the latest N*/OW EXPLORER. There are no changes to the transcon rules (North American and Australian) from what I see. The star file is effective 18Jul.

I'll post the updated fare rules to the website when I have a bit more time tonight or tomorrow.

FewMiles..

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TransCon rule directly from SABRE:
ONLY 1 SINGLE PLANE TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHT
PERMITTED. TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHT IS
DEFINED AS TRAVEL BETWEEN THE
FOLLOWING CITIES:
BWI/BOS/FLL/BDL/ LAS/LAX/OAK/
MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/ - AND - PDX/SAN/SEA/
PHL/SJU/YYZ/DCA SFO/SJC/YVR
(Sorry for the caps...taken directly from Sabre)
Hope this help settle the controversy.

If your goal is to do transcon mileage runs, there are still a lot of cities that are not included in that list that can get you about the max number possible. Grab a schedule and do a little research. Wont post them here for fear that Rich will use them and ruin it for everyone else. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Darren, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I agree that posting the missing cities would be an error in judgement since it is clear that SEA was added to the West Coast cities only after it was discussed here.

It amazes me that the 1-World powers that be can read these boards and fail to fix some fundamental problems (Lan Chile missing mileage postings for instance) yet they can manage in 24 hours to update a fare rule to include a missing West Coast city.

rich

Yes, how they missed Denver as a west coast city, I will never know.

And you told me that they dont look at this board. They look at your itinerary... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

well, I just took 2 transcon flights with my OWE ticket that was changed earlier last month.. there was no problem checking in or anything, and as I said last time, the ticket was re-issued in DFW by a supervisor, and she didn´t say a thing about it... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif