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Help on RTW route...
I usually take pretty simple RTW routes so I am not experienced with all the complicated RTW rules.
I am trying to flying on a 3 continent ticket. For example, starting in Asia: HKG-LHR-LAX. (I will be adding a few more routes) Now, I want to go from LAX to HNL and then to HKG. How to I get from HNL to HKG? There is a AA code share on JAL metal, would this work? Any other suggestions? Thanks. |
bagold,
HNL-HKG is pretty much impossible on a 1world rtw. You have to go back to the mainland to pick up a flight to HKG (codeshares don't count unless they are operated by other 1world members, so no JL flights). I've never had occasion to ask for clarification, but there is a prohibition against backtracking from Hawaii... I don't know if this means you have to depart to and arrive from Hawaii using different cities, or whether one of the flights has to be on your own nickel. Also, HKG is not a good place to start your 1world itinerary. It's much cheaper from either BKK or SEL (most people prefer BKK because of its central location on the 1world network-- you can go direct to LHR on BA or QF or backtrack to HKG if you want CX service). If you want to try a rtw fare, you might have better luck with a staralliance (use ANA from HNL to HKG via Japan) rtw, or a joint rtw using KE (via SEL to HKG) and another carrier, or CO (via GUM to HKG) and another carrier. [This message has been edited by HKG_Flyer1 (edited 05-10-2001).] |
Hi Your best bet is the king of RTWs Cathay-United at 105000 Bahts from BKK in BIZ and 155000 in First. Why pay more for one world when CX/UA Allows you to fly BKK-HKG-LHR-LAX-HNL-TYO-HKG-BKK
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HKG, do you know if he flew LAX-HNL, could he pay a segment charge to fly back to LAX?
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bagold
backtracking from HNL is not possible. (i don't think you are allowed to buy that segment, just the same as you can't buy an extra transcontinental in NA) therefore, most likely case is you should fly CX/UA. but do call the RTW desk to inquire, we all want to know the answer http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif |
drbala,
It seems like I learn something new every day... all these years flying back & forth between North America and HKG and I never knew about this UA flight between HNL and NRT! Same day connection possible to my favorite CX flight between NRT and HKG, as well (if I want to wait two hours to skip UA's service). In any case, I think I'm going to do this routing myself next time... I've always been interested in putting a Hawaii stop in between North America and HKG-- now I know how to do it w/o getting my face ripped off! Thanks. P.S. bagold, The suggestion proffered by drbala will be much better than any of my proposed suggestions (unless you're planning a lot more stops than you've mentioned). |
Okay, just got off the phone w/ AA's rtw desk.
1) Only way to stop in HNL on a 1world explorer is in conjunction w/ either Auckland or Sydney on QF. 2) Buying a 1-way back from Hawaii to the mainland isn't permissable. The woman I spoke with seemed pretty familiar with the Hawaii dilemma. Now, to reactivate a rumor... She told me that the CX reps were in to AA last month and said they working on HKG-HNL approval. Who knows, maybe now that they're back to making money, ordering planes, etc., they've decided to reconsider. |
by options 2, you mean open-jaw? then it is definitely permissible.
or you mean adding 150/300/450$ ? it is probabaly (almost for sure) cheaper to detour downunder with a 4 continent fare than buying that extra one-way ticket http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif [This message has been edited by pegasus8228 (edited 05-11-2001).] |
Originally posted by drbala: RTWs Cathay-United at 105000 Bahts from BKK in BIZ and 155000 in First. Many questions here: 1) Where can I find the complete rules for this fare? 2) What is the MPM? 3) What are the booking classes? 4) Do you recommend any travel agent to issue this tkt in BKK? 5) Have this been around for long time? Will it last? Toxa |
Toxa
1. Do a serach on Cathay section of flyertalk. It came up about 3 months ago. I will do one and post it anyway 2. There are no mileage restrictions 3. It has been around a long time, rumors abound about its demise 4. I would recommend you buy it directly from United ticketing office. You can return the ticket in USA if needed and they are very helpful. You can finalise the routing with United ask them to FAX the itinerary and take it with you. If you do not want to go to BKK then there are agents who will mail the ticket to you 5. I am not sure about the classes You can email me if you need more info |
Here is the full rules Kind courtesy DANIELLAM
Here are the details: GI:RTW/UA PH: R ESPONSIBLE BY : HKGQTCX LAST UPDATE : 08SEP00 >> CX/UA RTW APEX FARES ************************************************** ********** -1 APPLICATION A. CLASS OF SVC : FIRST, BUSINESS, ECONOMY B. TYPE OF JOURNEY : CIRCLE, OPEN JAW C. TYPE OF FARE : ADVANCE PURCHASE EXCN FARES D. AREA OF APPLICATION : 1. TRVL MAY COMMENCE FM ANY PT WHERE THE FARE HS BEEN FILED N APPRVD BY GOVT AUTHORITIES, IN A CONTINUOUS GLOBAL DIRECTION BASICALLY EASTBOUND OR CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- WESTBOUND RTW N BACK TO THE PT OF ORIGIN. 2. TRVL MAY TERMINATE AT ANY PT SERVED BY THE PARTICIPATING CARRIERS PROVIDED THAT THE ENTIRE ITIN DOES NOT REFLECT TRVL GREATEER THAN THE RTW. GREATER THAN RTW IS DEFINED AS COMPLETING TRVL AT A PT BEYOND THE PT AT WHICH TRVL COMMENCED. 3. TRVL AT THESE FARES IS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FOLLOWING CX JOINT VENTURE OR CODE-SHARING FLIGHTS BTWN : HKGSGN, HKGHAN, HKGCHC, AKLCHC, HKGEDI, LHREDI, HKGBFS , LHRBFS, LHRMAN, LHRGLA. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- 4. TRVL AT THESE FARES IS NOT PERMITTED ON CX/SR CODE SHARE FLIGHTS CX1290/1291 BTWN HKG/ZRH V.V. 5. TRVL AT THESE FARES IS NOT PERMITTED ON CX/SA CODE SHARE FLIGHTS CX1748/1749 BTWN HKG/JNB V.V. 6. TRVL AT THESE FARES IS NOT PERMITTED ON CX/MH CODE SHARE FLIGHTS CX1720-1729 BTWN HKG-KUL/PEN V.V. 7. TRVL AT THESE FARES IS NOT PERMITTED ON FLIGHTS WHERE UA SHARES THE FLIGHT DESIGNATOR WITH ANOTHER CARRIER I.E. FLIGHT NUMBER 1932-1933 AND 3000 THROUGH 4999.-UPTO 21AUG97 8. TRVL AT THESE FARES IS NOT PERMITTED ON UA CODE SHARE ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- FLIGHT NUMBERS 3000-4999, 8225-8299. -WITH EFFECT FROM 22AUG97 9. TICKETS MUST BE PURCHASED PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF TRAVEL. THIS FARE PACKAGE HAS BEEN FILED AND APPROVED FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING FROM THE FOLLOWING COUNTRIES/CITIES : AUSTRALIA, BAHRAIN, BELGIUM, CANADA, FRANCE, HONG KONG, INDONESIA, ITALY, MALAYSIA, MEXICO, NETHERLANDS, NEW ZEALAND, PHILIPPINES, SINGAPORE, SPAIN, SWITZERLAND, TAIWAN, THAILAND, ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:-U AE, U.K. AND U.S.A. -2 ELIGIBILITY NO REQUIREMENTS. -3 FARES A. FOR ROUTINGS NOT VIA A POINT IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND OR AFRICA : ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- ORIGINATING IN : FAPRTW CAPRTW YAPRTW BAHRAIN BHD 1659 1290 917 BELGIUM BEF 219350 149780 98360 CANADA CAD 6110 4709 3233 FRANCE FRF 37390 26730 21480 HONG KONG HKD 48990 36610 22800 -FOR TICKETS ISSUE ON/BEFORE 17SEP00 HKD 53890 40270 23940 -FOR TICKETS ISSUE ON/AFTER 18SEP00 INDONESIA USD 5170 3727 2647 ITALY ITL 8744000 6334000 4370000 ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- MALAYSIA MYR 13403 9662 7005 MEXICO USD 5428 3913 2780 USD 6242 4304 2780 -WITH EFFECT FROM 25AUG97 NETHERLANDS NLG 12371 8245 5896 PHILIPPINES USD 5170 3727 2647 SINGAPORE SGD 9698 7635 5334 SPAIN ESP 675700 487200 346100 SWITZERLAND CHF 9384 7437 4625 ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- TAIWAN TWD 132173 95261 67684 THAILAND THB 145935 105185 74735 U.A.E. AED 17920 13470 7990 U.K. GBP 4355 3161 1822 UNITED STATES USD 6242 4304 2780 B. FOR ROUTINGS VIA A POINT IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND OR AFRICA. ORIGINATING IN : AUSTRALIA AUD 8399 6339 3329 BAHRAIN BHD 2359 1597 1198 BELGIUM BEF 288930 201660 121470 CANADA CAD 8718 6170 4050 ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- FRANCE FRF 45475 29350 23210 HONG KONG HKD 52910 40000 25420 -FOR TICKETS ISSUE ON/BEFORE 17SEP00 * HKD 58200 44000 26690 -FOR TICKETS ISSUE ON/AFTER 18SEP00 INDONESIA USD 6819 5335 3294 ITALY ITL 8938000 6442000 4422000 MALAYSIA MYR 14563 11091 7986 MEXICO USD 6946 5335 3344 USD 7988 5869 3344 ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- -WITH EFFECT FROM 25AUG97 NETHERLANDS NLG 14847 10647 6957 NEW ZEALAND NZD 11133 7420 4946 -FOR SALES UPTO 14JUL98 NZD 11133 8019 4946 -WITH EFFECT FROM 15JUL98 PHILIPPINES USD 6819 5238 3284 SINGAPORE SGD 11130 8039 6183 SPAIN ESP 792100 580950 381100 SWITZERLAND CHF 12000 8333 5305 TAIWAN TWD 164407 126276 79161 ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA PH:- THAILAND THB 196075 150580 94690 U.A.E. AED 23030 15970 10130 U.K. GBP 4958 3442 2191 UNITED STATES USD 7988 5869 3344 FOR THE REST CONDITIONS PLEASE REFER TO GI:RTW/UA-1 >> ?QCX/Y/RTW/UA-1? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH: R ESPONSIBLE BY : HKGQTCX LAST UPDATE : 10NOV98 >> CX/UA RTW APEX FARES -CONTINUE ************************************************** ********** -3 FARES -CONTINUE C. PASSENGER MAY ADDED SIDE TRIP APPLICABLE FOR TRVL VIA UA AT CHARGE SHOWN IN TABLE -I , -II AND -III BELOW. WHEN TRVL INCLUDES A POINT IN ANY COUNTRY SHOWN, THE APPLICABLE SIDE TRIP CHARGE FOR THE COUNTRY SHALL ADDED TO THE ROUND THE WORLD FARE AT THE USD CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF ORIGIN AT BANKERS RATE. ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- IF TRVL INCLUDES A POINT IN SAN JUAN, ALASKA AND/OR SOUTH AMERICA THE SIDE TRIP CHARGES SHALL BE CUMULATIVE, SIDE TRIPS MAY BE TAKEN IN ANY CLASS OF SERVICE. -I WHEN TRVL VIA UA INCLUDES A POINT IN SAN JUAN THE SIDE TRIP CHARGE IS: FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY CURRENCY CLASS CLASS CLASS USD 589 472 353 FAIBANK, MEXICO, GUATEMALA, EL SALVADOR, COSTA ?MD? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- RICA AND VENEZUELA THE SIDE TRAIP CHARGE IS: FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY CURRENCY CLASS CLASS CLASS USD 714 595 476 -III WHEN TRVL VIA UA INCLUDES A POINT IN BRAZIL, AGENTINA, CHILE, PERU AND URGUAY THE SIDE TRIP CHARGE IS : FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY CURRENCY CLASS CLASS CLASS USD 2024 1547 952 CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:-- 4 CHILDREN/S AND INFANT/S FARES CHILDERN AND/OR INFANTS ACCOMPANIED BY A PSGR 12 YRS OF AGE OR OVER PAYING THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE WL BE CHARGED AS FOLLOWS: A. CHILDERN 2 YRS OF AGE OR OVER BUT UNDER 12 WL BE CHARGED 67 PCT OF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE. B. INFANTS UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE OCCUPYING A SEAT WL BE CHARGED 67 PCT OF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE. C. INFANTS UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT WL BE CHARGED 10 PCT OF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE. ONLY ONE SUCH INF SHALL BE ACCOMPANIED BY A PSGR OF 12 YRS OF AGE OR OVER PAYING THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- -5 MINIMUM GROUP SIZE NOT APPLICABLE. -6 PERIODS OF APPLICATION FARES APPLY ALL YEAR. -7 MINIMUM STAY NO REQUIREMENT. EXCEPTION : FOR TRVL ORIGINATING IN FRANCE AND U.K. TRVL FROM THE LAST PT OF STOPOVER RETURNING TO THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- SHALL NOT COMMENCE PRIOR TO THE 14TH DAY FM THE DAY OF DEPARTURE ON THE FIRST OUTBOUND INTERNATIONAL SECTOR. -8 WAVIER OF MIN STAY PERMITTED ONLY IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF PSGR OR MEMBER OF THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY. -9 MAXIMUM STAY TRVL FM THE LAST PT OF STOPOVER RETURNING TO THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SHALL NOT BE LATER THAN THE 365TH DAT FM THE DAY OF DEPARTURE ON THE 1ST OUTBOUND INTERNATIONAL SECTOR. -10 EXTENSION OF VALIDITY CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- A. NOT PERMITTED EXCEPT THAT WHEN ON MEDICAL REASONS THE PROCEDURE SET FORTH IN AIR TARIFF SHALL BE ADHERED TO. B. IN THE CASE OF ILLNESS, MEDICAL CERTIFICATE MUST BE ISSUED WITHIN ONE WEEK OF THE 1ST AFFECTED FLT DEPARTURE BY A RECOGNIZED PHYSICIAN PRACTICING IN THE COUNTRY WHERE THE ILLNESS OCCURS. -11 STOPOVERS A. A MIN OF 3 STOPOVERS MUST BE TAKEN FOR TRVL ORIGINATING IN FRANCE, U.K. AND 2 STOPOVERS FOR ORIGINATING IN HONG KONG. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- B. THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE MAX NBR OF STOPOVERS THAT MAY BE TAKEN. EXCEPTION: FOR TRVL VIA THE SVC OF UA WZIN THE CONTINENTAL USA AND CANADA, A MAXIMUM OF 4 STOPOVERS -EXCLUDING THE INTNL GATEWAY CAN BE TAKEN. C. A STOPOVER MAY NOT BE TAKEN AT THE SAME PT MORE THAN ONCE. D. STOPOVER, IF TAKEN, ARE COUNTED AS PERMITTED TRANSFERS. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- E. IF THERE IS A SURFACE BREAK, BOTH END OF THIS SURFACE SECTOR WL BE COUNTED AS ONE STOPOVER. F. TWO STOPOVERS ARE PERMITTED AT MIA OR NYC IF A SIDE TRIP IS PURCHASED AS SHOWN IN PARA -3 FARES SUB-PARA C. -12 ROUTING A. TRVL MUST BE IN A CONTINUOUS GLOBAL DIRECTION AROUND-THE-WORLD, EITHER EASTBOUND OR WESTBOUND. UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED, TRVL ON FARES GOVERNED GOVERNED BY THIS TARIFF SHALL ONLY BE PERMITTED ON CX N UA. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-1 PH:- EXCEPTIONS : TRVL IS PERMITTED ON THE SECTORS N CARRIERS IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY, AS SPECIFIED IN THE CHART BELOW, WZOUT ADDITIONAL CHARGES: FOR TRVL ORIGINATING FM : SECTORS CARRI ER BELGIUM BRU-FRA OR V.V LH AUSTRALIA BNE/PER-SYD OR V.V AN/TN MANCHESTER MAN-LON OR V.V BA ITALY MIL/ROM-FRA OR V.V. LH INDONESIA JKT-SIN OR V.V. SQ ?QCX/Y/RTW/UA-2? CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH: R ESPONSIBLE BY : HKGQTCX LAST UPDATE : 01APR99 >> CX/UA RTW APEX FARES -CONTINUE ************************************************** ********** -12 ROUTING B. THE DIRECTION OF TRVL CANNOT BE REVERSED ONCE TRVL HAS COMMENCED. BACKTRACKING WL NOT BE PERMITTED N NO CITY MAY BE TRANSITTED MORE THAN ONCE UNLESS AN ADDITIONAL SIDETRIP IS ASSESSED. EXCEPTIONS: 1. THE PROHIBITION AGAINST TRANSITTING ANY PT MORE THAN ONCE N AGAINST BACKTRACKING IS WAIVED FOR THE FLWG CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- ROUTINGS: TO/FROM VIA CARRIER ------- --- ------- SEL/TPE -FOR TRVL EX SEL/TPE HKG -MAX 2 TRANSIT CX VIA SOUTH PACIFIC ONLY BKK/KUL/PEN/JKT/SIN/DPS/SUB HKG -MAX 2 TRANSIT CX MNL -FOR TRVL EX MNL VIA SOUTH HKG -MAX 2 TRANSIT CX PACIFIC GLA -FOR TRVL FROM AREA 1/3 ONLY LON -MAX 2 TRANSIT CX -NOTE I *NOTE I : CX1252/1253/1257 LHRGLALHR MUST BE TRAVELLED IN CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- CONJUNCTION WITH CX251/250 HKGLHRHKG. CX1253/1257/1252 LHRGLALHR MUST BE TRAVELLED IN CONJUNCTION WITH CX251/250 HKGLHRHKG. -EFFECTIVE FROM 01FEB97 2. THE PROHIBITION AGAINST BACKTRACKING IS ALSO WAIVED FOR THE FOLLOWING ROUTINGS: - BETWEEEN POINTS IN THE USA AND POINTS IN CENTRAL AMERICA, MEXICO, SOUTH AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN AND /OR BETWEEN SEA AND ANC/FAI WHEN TRAVEL IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EXTRENSION TO THESE FARES. - BETWEEN LON AND BRU/AMS/OSL - BETWEEN YYZ AND CHI CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- - BETWEEN FRA AND BER - BETWEEN SYD AND MEL - BETWEEN OSA AND TYO - -APPLICABLE VIA UA ONLY YVR/LAX/PDX/SFO/SEA CAN BE CONSIDERED A STRAIGHT LINE PROVIDED THE UP AND DOWN DIRECTION IS MAINTAINED. - -APPLICABLE VIA UA ONLY BOS/NYC/PHL/WAS/ORL/MIA CAN BE CONSIDERED A STRAIGHT LINE PROVIDED THE UP AND DOWN DIRECTION IS MAINTAINED. C. ITINERARY INVOLVING SURFACE TRANSPORTATION OR THE SERVICES OF ANOTHER CARRIER ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED THAT: CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- 1. SUCH TRVL IS NOT INCLUED AT THE FARES GOVERNED BY THIS TARIFF AND IS SOLELY AT THE PAGR/S EXPENSES. 2. THE PT AT WHICH THE PSGR RESUMES USING CX OR UA IS A PT THAT PROGRESSES THE ITIN IN THE DIRECTION THAT TRVL WAS ORIGINALLY HEADED. THAT IS , NO REVERSAL OF DIRECTION IS PERMITTED. D. HONOLULU IS NOT PERMITTED AS A TRANSIT PT FOR TRVL BTWN ASIA N THE SOUTH WEST PACIFIC. E. UA/EK CODE-SHARE FLIGHT LON-DXB OR V.V. IS NOT PERMITTED. F. SURFACE BACKTRACK IS PERMITTED BETWEEN LON AND MAN. -13 TRANSFER CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- NO TRANSFER MAY BE TAKEN AT THE SAME PT MORE THAN ONCE EXCEPT AS PERMITTED IN THIS TARIFF. -14 COMBINATIONS FARES GOVERNED BY THIS TARIFF MAY BE SOLD WZ OTHER FARE TYPES WHICH BY THEMSELVES ARE COMBINABLE PROVIDED THAT SEPARATE TKT MUST BE ISSUED FOR SUCH OTHER FARE TYPES. UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED, CONSTRUCTION WZ ADD-ONS IS NOT PERMITTED. -15 ADVERTISING AND SALES A. PERMITTED WORLDWIDE. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- B. -NOT APPLICABLE TO SALES MADE IN CANADA WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH THE SPECIFIED LOCAL FARE IS PUBLISHED AND THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, THE FARE WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTR Y OF ORIGIN CONVERTED INTO THE CURRENCY OF SALES AT THE BANKERS RATE, THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN THAT FROM COUNTRY OF SALE. IF NO FARE IS APPLICABLE FRO M THE COUNTRY OF PAYMENT, THEN THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NO T BE LOWER THAN THE FOLLOWING LEVELS : CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC AND/OR NORTH/CENTRAL PACIFI C: F CLASS USD4808 C CLASS USD3465 Y CLASS USD199 8 FOR TRAVEL VIA THE SOUTH PACIFIC AND/OR SOUTH AFRICA : F CLASS USD6009 C CLASS USD4332 Y CLASS USD232 2 -16 RESERVATIONS CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- A. DEADLINE FOR THE FIRST OUTBOUND INTERNATIONAL SECTOR : 7 DAYS - EXCEPTION : FROM AUSTALIA ON FIRST OR BUSINESS CLASS : 0 B. OPEN DATED TKT FOR THE REST OF THE JOURNEY IS PERMITTED. C. BOOKING CODES: FIRST CLS BUSINESS CLS ECONOMY CLS CX A D M -M FOR LONGLA V.V. UA A D B NOTE : BKG ON UA FIRST/BUSINESS FLT ARE ON -NN- BASIS CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:-- 17 PAYMENT A. DEADLINE : 7 DAYS EXCEPTION: FROM AUSTRALIA ON FIRST OR BUSINESS CLASS FARE : 0 -18 TICKETING A. DEADLINE : 7 DAYS EXCEPTION : FROM AUSTRALIA ON FIRST N BUSINESS CLASS FARE : 0 B. TKT MAY ONLY BE ISSUED ON THE TKT STOCK OF CX OR UA. C. TKT SHALL INDICATE BY USE OF AN INSERT OR STRICKER CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- THAT TRVL AT THESE FARES IS SUBJ TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS WZ RESPECT TO CANCELLATIONS, REFUNDS AND REROUTING. D. FARE BASIS CODES : 1.CX TICKET STOCKS FIRST CLASS - AAPRTW BUSINESS CLASS - DAPRTW ECONOMY CLASS - MAPRTW 2.UA TICKET STOCKS FIRST CLASS - AAPRTW BUSINESS CLASS - DAPRTW ECONOMY CLASS - BAPRTW CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- E. TKTS N ANY SUBSEQUENT REISSUE MUST BE ANNOTATED - NONREF/APEX IN - FORM OF PAYMENT - BOX. F. TKTS N ANY SEBSEQUENT REISSUE MUST BE ANNOTATED - CX/UA RTW IN - FARE BASIS - BOX. G. TKTS N ANY SUBSEQUENT REISSUE MUST BE ANNOTATED - VALID ONLY ON CX/UA IN - ENDORSEMENT - BOX. -19 REFUND FOR CANCELLATION AND NO-SHOW A. PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF TRVL 1. IN THE CASE OF VOLUNTARY CANX PRIOR TO THE APEX DEADLINE - FULL REFUND. 2. IN THE CASE OF VOLUNTARY CANX AFTER THE APEX DEADLINE - 75 PCT OF FARE PAID SHD BE REFUNDED. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- B. AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF TRVL OR NO-SHOW IN THE CASE OF VOLUNTARY CANX FOR ANY REASON THE REFUND WL BE 75 PCT OF THE DIFFERENT BTWN THE FARE PAID N THAT APPLICABLE FOR TRANSPORATION FM THE PT OF ORIGIN TO THE PT OF CANX. EXCEPTION : A. FM HONG KONG AND U.K. : 90 PCT B. NO CANX PENTALTY SHALL APPLY TO TRVL ORIGINATING IN AUSTRALIA AT THE FIRST OR BUSINESS CLASS FARE AT TIME BEFORE OR AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF TRVL. C. FOR EXTENTION WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNUSED N FULL CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- REFUND WL APPLY. C. IN ALL EVENT THE FLWG SHALL APPLY 1. IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OR ILLNESS , AS SUBSTANTIATED BY A MEDICAL CERTIFICATE, OF A PSGR OR MEMBER OF THE IMMD FAMILY, NO PENALTY SHALL APPLY. 2. THE NON-REFUNDABLE PORTION OF THE FARE SHALL NOT BE USED AS A CREDIT TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF ANY OTHER FARE. -20 REBOOKING N REROUTING A. BEFORE DEPARTURE - SUBJ TO PARA. C BELOW CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- 1. BEFORE DEADLINE : PERMITTED FOR ANY SECTOR-S . 2. AFTER DEADLINE : ANY CHANGE TO THE 1ST OUTBOUND INTERNATIONAL SECTOR SHALL BE DEEMED VOLUNTARY CANX. CHANGES TO OTHER SECTOR-S ARE PERMITTED. B. AFTER DEPARTURE - SUBJ TO PARA. C BELOW PERMITTED AT ANY TIME ON ANY SECTOR-S . C. AFTER TKT ISSUED ANY REBOOKING AND/OR REROUTING SHALL BE SUBJ TO FLWG REROUTING CHARGE OR ITS EQUIVALENT AT THE APPLICABLE BANKERS RATE OF EXCH ON A PER TRANSACTION BASIS. EX UK GBP15 EX ALL OTHER COUNTRIES USD25 CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-2 PH:- EXCEPTIONS : 1. REBOOKING AND/OR REROUTING MAY BE MADE ONCE A FREE -OF-CHARGE BASIS. THERE IS NO LIMITATION TO THE NBR OF CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE ON THIS OCCASION. NOTWITHSTANDING PARA 20.A.2. STILL APPLY. 2. NO CHARGE WL BE LEVIED WHEN CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE BY THE INSERTION OF A VALIDATION STICKER. 3. THIS ADDITIONAL CHARGE WL NOT APPLY IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OR ILLNESS OF A PSGR OR IMMD FAMILY. FOR THE REST OF REBOOKING N REROUTING CONDITIONS PLEASE REFER TO GI:RTW/UA-3 >>>>> CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-3 PH: R ESPONSIBLE BY : HKGQTCX LAST UPDATE : 15AUG95 >> CX/UA RTW APEX FARES -CONTINUE ************************************************** ********** D. INVOLUNRARY REROUTING PARTIAL REFUND OF INVOLUNTARY DOWNGRADE OF CLASS OF SVC IN THE EVENT OF INVOLUNTARY DOWNGRADE OF CLASS OF SVC OVER ANY PORTION OF TRANSPORATION AFTER DEPT. THE DIFF BTWN THE FARE PAID OVER SUCH PORTION N THE CLASS OF SVC ACTUALLY PROVIDED SHALL BE CALCUALTED AS FLWG : A. CALCUALTE THE NUMBER OF MILES OF THE AFFECTED SECTORS OVER WHICH THE INVOLUNTARY DOWNGRADE OCCURS. CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-3 PH:- B. USING THE TABLE BELOW, MULTIPLY THE NBR OF MILES IN A. ABV BY THE RATE PER MILE FOR THE CLASS OF SVC PAID N THE RATE PER MILE FOR THE CLASS OF SVC FLOWN. CLASS OF SVC RATE OF MILE F USD 0.15 C USD 0.12 Y/M USD 0.09 C. FOR THE DIFF BTWN THE AMOUNT DETERMINED IN B. ABV SHALL BE THE REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FOR SUCH DOWNGRADED TRANSPORTATION. EXAMPLE : CX RESPONSE GI:RTW/UA-3 PH:- ON AN ITIN TYO TO HKG, FIRST CLASS PSGR INVOUNTARY DOWNGRADED TO ECONOMY CLASS. THE NBR OF NONSTOP N MILES BTWN TYO N HKG IS 1804. 1804 X 0.15 - RATE PER MILE FOR F/CL - USD 270.60 1804 X 0.09 - RATE PER NILE FOR Y/CL - USD 162.00 THE DIFF IS USD 108.60 WHICH IS THE REFUNDABLE AMOUNT. -21 AGENT DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED. -22 TOUR CONDUCTORS DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED. |
pegasus8228,
I tried to be pretty clear in asking if the open-jaw was permitted, and this woman basically told me that once you've hit Hawaii, you can't come back to North America to recommence your journey, even if you make your own arrangements for travel on the open-jaw... Maybe I'll call back later and see if someone else answers the phone. |
ohhh maybe she is right, since this way you will be flying over the pacific 1.5 times -- although this still depends on how people interpret the rules
if your 1-way ticket is from HNL-NRT, i am sure it would be permitted |
This CX/UA fare is pretty interesting. It's particularly nice to know that they will waive the minimum stay requirement in case of death of passenger!
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for OWE, CX will usually waive you the 10 day rule, but they have to be your ticket issuer
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