oneworld comparison chart
 

As BlondeBomber and co have done for Star Alliance, so tedhl is doing for oneworld...

Merry and I have provided the UK and US BA Exec Club sections respectively - is there an (elite?) Global Exec Club member out there who would be willing to complete the third and final part of the BA comparison?

Comparing notes with Nick, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in the Gold/Silver benefits between the UK and US Exec Clubs, but the basic program has some significant differences...

We await your chart with eager anticipation (well at least I do).

baobab - I'm more than happy to help complete the third part. Please let me know where to send the info (you, tedhl?)

If you need help with the American section, let me know.

--Jim

Sorry to drag this thread back....but I'm just wondering if the OneWorld Chart is still going on?

Thanks!

Remember to start small (but think big).

yes, sorry...it took me quite a while to put the chart together...

I now have the first version of the chart, with information about all the 5 airline programs together in a single Word file...for those of you who're interested in this version, please email me at [email protected] and I'll send the file to you right away.

I'll be putting this into an HTML version within the next couple of days, and probably do something like BlondeBomber did, have separate files comparing similar status in different programs, i.e. one file each for Emerald, Sapphire and Ruby. Hopefully I can get this done within the next couple of days.

Thanks all of you who've contributed to this first version of the chart, and thanks for waiting as well. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Tedhl has sent me a copy that I have put up at my download site so you can go directly there.

Watch soon and I will post an .html version.

For now, those who want the word processor version of the Oneworld comparison chart, click on the Oneworld.doc link (Word 97-59K) at the page the link below takes you to and your word processor should open and then you can use your "Save As" to save it to one of your directories. Alternately you can right click on the link and it should ask you where you want to save the file to.

members.home.net/deercroft/download.html

Thanks tedhl and gang for getting this up and running. I haven't even had a chance to look at it yet. You might be deluged with new and useful info.

PS. Let me know if this link works. I am still trying to work out cache bugs.

Hi Cliff:

This link http://members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld.doc is actually pointing to the starall99.doc.

Thanks to Blondebomber, Tedhl, and crew for putting this together!

BB
when I clicked on your onwworld link it showed you Star Alliance File, and not the 1w file.

I liked you riding your plane, though it does remind me of an Indian train I rode in my youth http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

regards,
Stewart

Try it again or try typing it in directly. That worked for klin. The pointer should be correct but sometimes the cache has a mind of its own. It was incorrectly pointing towards the star chart (just my bias creeping in I guess http://talk.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif a few minutes ago. Now it should be full speed ahead.

[This message has been edited by BlondeBomber (edited 08-23-1999).]

Just reposting at the end and to build up my Flyer Talk credits.

Tedhl has sent me a copy that I have put up at my download site so you can go directly there.

Watch soon and I will post an .html version.

For now, those who want the word processor version of the Oneworld comparison chart, click on the Oneworld.doc link (Word 97-59K) at the page the link below takes you to and your word processor should open and then you can use your "Save As" to save it to one of your directories. Alternately you can right click on the link and it should ask you where you want to save the file to.

members.home.net/deercroft/download.html

The html pointing to the oneworld.doc is working correctly now.

tedhl -- good job on the chart! Very interesting to see that Emerald qualification would be easiest on BA (Global version) and most difficult on CX (I think).

Could we add another item to the chart to show which non oneWorld carriers you can earn status on? For example, AA ff's can earn status on Reno, Midway, Alaska, Horizon and certain US Airways flights.

Tedhl and crew--thanks for the hard work that went into this chart. At first read, it looks like Oneworld is more complicated than Star (and I am sure it will get more complicated).

As with Star I think I will stick with the Canadian-based carrier (CP) to earn the most benefits the quickest.

I must agree with mgm, that getting Emerald with CX is hard...especially for someone like me who was just starting with the program...

one aspect that CX's program is different from most other programs is that it does not run on a calendar year basis, but rather a full 12-month membership year...and the status miles/sectors got reset to 0 once you hit a higher level...

for example, when you just start with the program, you have to get 20 sectors or 30,000 miles to hit Silver, within 12 months...at that point when you're upgraded to Silver, the status count starts all over again, so is your membership year...you'll then have to get 40 sectors or 60,000 miles within these next 12 months...then you'll be upgraded to Gold...and then 80 sectors or 120,000 miles within the next 12 months for Diamond, or oneworld Emerald...

that means, if you start from scratch...you'll have to take at least 140 (20 + 40 + 80) sectors or 210,000 (30,000 + 60,000 + 120,000) miles before you can reach Diamond/Emerald for the first time...of course, you may qualify by miles for Silver and then by sectors for Gold, so you may not necessarily have to take 140 sectors or 210k miles...but, you get the idea...

But for CX, they have somehow a life-time membership for diamond members. Can anyone verify for me?

Before February, i.e. before changes were made to The Marco Polo Club, they have 4 membership tiers - Green, Gold, Diamond, and Lifetime...at that time, you got Lifetime status when you have been a Marco Polo Club member (i.e. at least Green) for a minimum of 10 consecutive years, and have flown a minimum of 2,000,000 kilometers (about 1.2 million miles) with CX...

After February 1, Green was renamed Silver (there's now a new "Green" non-elite tier)...and Lifetime is renamed Invitation, and is now by invitation only instead of having some specific milestones that you have to meet...I think now this is more like the "VIP" status they have in other airlines/programs...is this the lifetime membership for diamond members that Chatter is talking about ?? otherwise, if you're just Diamond, you have to re-qualify every year...

I start wondering who are invited to be the VIP by CX, the HK chief executive Mr. Tung Chi Wah?

Tedhl: Perhaps it should be added to the chart that a condition of carriers joining OW is that at least 4 sectors must have been made on the parent airline of each FF scheme you are in per year, in order to achieve any kind of elite status.

ie. If you an AA member, to achieve any kind of elite status you must have flown at least 4 sectors with AA. You cannot notch up all your miles with non AA carriers.

These rules are already in place with all OW carriers (of course it is questionable if this information has been rolled out to the service centres yet!)

Nick

Tedhl...

The old Marco Polo Club had policy of zero-ing down your balance when you reached the next level. But I had checked with CX The Club Service centre on this and they assured me that CX has done away with that requirement following the revamped status. Meaning that your balances will not be reset to zero when you qualify for say, Gold from Silver. You can accumulate as many miles within your membership period which is set as an expiry date on your card. Which means I can aim for Diamond if I set my heart to it, by November 1999.

The Club may have its disadvantages of being one of the most difficult to attain stauts on, but the priveleges of the Gold (1world equivalent-Sapphire) include guaranteed seat in economy class if booked within 72 hours on any fare is advantages.

For Diamond members (1world equivalent-Emerald), CX members can get guaranteed seat in Business Class (or economy) within 24 hours is an added bonus. Most OneWorld Emerald equivalent cannot guarantee a seat in Business Class but rather one in economy. That is quite a damper if you're holding a Business Class ticket.

Celestar340...

interesting...I've talked to the Marco Polo Service Center for more than a few times over the last few weeks too...and I've asked about whether they still have this "zero-ing" policy...and everyone I talked to seem to confirm that it's still the case...

Great Chart.
Thanks to all of you who worked so hard.

This really is a great board, I'm impressed by the caliber of the contributions and contributors. Its given me hours of innocent fun, and more laughs than the average sit.com. thanks to you all.

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Celestar340...

I just called The Marco Polo Club service center again and talked to one of their people...she confirmed again they still have the "zero-ing" policy and said that it does make getting Diamond a bit harder for someone starting from scratch...

I talked to 4 or 5 of them over the past few weeks on this "zero-ing" policy...basically I just talked to any member service executive who answered my call...and they all said that this rule is still in effect...Celestar340, do you have a specific contact at The Club who told you about the change ?? maybe this change is not that well known among themselves yet ??

I really hope what you said is right...that would mean I can get to Diamond status a lot faster... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Tedhl -

Hmmm. That IS odd. I spoke to only 2 representatives and they both gave me the same answer. Mind you - one of them was in the "Cantonese" language option. Let me double check on it and I'll get back to you.

C340

Celestar340...

I only talked to one English-speaking representative, and all others whom I talked to spoke Cantonese...but they all gave me the same answer...

Oneworld .html comparison chart files are now up at (thanks tedhl!):
RUBY
members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld-ruby.htm

SAPPHIRE
http://members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld-sapphire.htm

EMERALD
http://members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld-emerald.htm

THE WHOLE ONEWORLD
http://members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld.htm

For those who want the word processor version of the Oneworld comparison chart, click on the Oneworld.doc link (Word 97-59K) at the page the link below takes you to and your word processor should open and then you can use your "Save As" to save it to one of your directories. Alternately you can right click on the link and it should ask you where you want to save the file to.

http://members.home.net/deercroft/download.html


[This message has been edited by BlondeBomber (edited 04-18-99).]

A couple of changes to the oneworld chart regarding qantas.

They do not seem to be dishing out free passes any more.

Blue members (despite what it says on the web) no longer get 1 free pass, and silver probably do not get 2 free passes any more as they now have access to the lounges.

Also it should point out that the upgrades are only for domestic, and that if you are upgrading from discounted economy you only have 24 hours regardless of status.

Cheers,

mark

Tedhl -

I apologise....I have checked with CX and it confirms your suspicions about their qualifying levels. See my post somewhere else in this oneworld thread.

If you are just starting out with them, perhaps you'd like to consider another oneworld member since it is rather difficult to attain diamond in one year!

Cheers!

Does anyone know if this is possible:

Can I use oneworld miles on the Concord?
I want to use UAL miles to get to CLE from SFO, then use AA miles to go fron CLE thru JFK to CDG. If I can fly the concord, then stopping in LHR is no problem.

The main reason is it appears that a oneworld pass would cost less than any other way. I need to spend 4 days in CLE, and optionally spend a couple days w/ my wife in NY en route to Paris for her B-day. We have adequate miles in both UA and AA accounts, but want to use them wisely.


[This message has been edited by dr (edited 06-07-1999).]

Best bet is to check with AAdvantage desk. I would think so but I could be wrong.

AAdvantage miles cannot be used on BA transatlantic services. Check the entry for British Airways in the AAdvantage Participants section of aa.com

A long shot, I know -- but have you tried using your AA miles to obtain a CP award on the BA flight?

Regards,

Ken Hamer

I know about AA/BA limitation, but since I'm talking about using AA for oneworld travel (say I use the 40001+ total trip miles) I then *have* to fly at least 3 carriers -- right? And under oneworld, it doesn't look like the same BA restrictions apply. Am I reading this right?

The same restriction applies to oneWorld awards. (See the wording for oneWorld in the AAdvantage Participants section of aa.com).

Ken -- I have tried in the past to get a CP award using AA miles but the request was refused.

Just bringing Oneworld comparison chart files forward
RUBY
members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld-ruby.htm
SAPPHIRE
http://members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld-sapphire.htm

EMERALD
http://members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld-emerald.htm

THE WHOLE ONEWORLD
http://members.home.net/deercroft/oneworld.htm

For those who want the word processor version of the Oneworld comparison chart, click on the Oneworld.doc link (Word 97-59K) at the page the link below takes you to and your word processor should open and then you can use your "Save As" to save it to one of your directories. Alternately you can right click on the link and it should ask you where you want to save the file to.

http://members.home.net/deercroft/download.html


[This message has been edited by BlondeBomber (edited 07-03-1999).]

Both the Star and Oneworld charts continue to be accessed on a regular basis by numerous people (just checked my web site stats). Just thought that all the chart preparers and others who provided input would like to know that their work continues to provide useful info on an almost daily basis.

Just bringing forward for new kids on the block. http://talk.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Thanks Celestar for bringing this forward in the next post! It is still being accessed--as is the Star Alliance chart.

[This message has been edited by BlondeBomber (edited 09-12-1999).]

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