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Done4 itinerary help
I am new to this site and thus will apologise in advance for asking questions that other more experienced travellers would probably consider silly. Here is my situation. My husband and I are planning the itinerary for a world trip however he is unable to take longer than 8 wks at a time off work. On researching the DONE4, I have read that if we start our trip in Amman, the overall cost is substantially cheaper. This would be ideal for us as it fits in with our itinerary. It would also allow us to break the trip up into two 8 week holidays. Our major points of interest in the first trip are Jordan, Italy, France, North America. The second part of the trip we would focus on Turkey, Greece and New York.
Our itinerary is as follows: AMM-FCO (surface sector to Vienna), VIE-CDG, ORY-EWR, LGA-ORD, ORD-SLC (surface sector to Los Angeles), LAX-SYD. Then we planned take a 9 month "break" at home before recommencing the DONE4 as follows: SYD-HKG, HKG-AMM, where we plan to do some travelling in Turkey and Greece before heading back through New York (our daughter lives there) hopefully on a ticket purchased with QF points gained during the trip. I have played around with the Oneworld planner and this itinerary came in at around US$16,500 for both tickets. I was able to choose mainly QF, AA or CX flights to maximise the FFP points with Qantas. My questions are 1) can I purchase these tickets on line or must I have an american address on my credit card? 2) have I maximised the FFP points? 3) Is there a better way to arrange this itinerary? Hoping someone can take pity on a beginner and give me some advice! |
Welcome to the forum
Mileage Monkey can help with routes and miles/points earned. But may not be 100% up to date with routes. You can have 16 sectors (including surface) You can add some more eg. SYD-PER-ADL-SYD, to give a trip to Perth. You have a lot of surface sectors http://www.slfft.org/mm/award.htm?ow...G-AMM&cabins=y |
Welcome to FT pye1201
I was like you back in 2008 when we were planning our LONE4 trip - a total noob:) Happy to help where I can Firstly - good idea to break the trip into two parts, and to start somewhere like Jordan, because it so much cheaper than starting from OZ. I'm sure you realise that you have to somehow get yourselves to the starting point. Next, fares are a bit cheaper if you start in Egypt (base fare of EGP40,900 about AUD6,300, compared to JOD5100 about AUD7750 - so a saving of about AUD2900 on two tickets). Of course you would have to start from Egypt, but you could still end in Amman - the rules say if you start in the Middle East you must end back there - but not necessarily in the same country Next - your itinerary is using only 12 of the 16 allowed segments. No self-respecting FTer would let that happen! So perhaps during your 9mth stopover in Sydney you could have a couple of short trips? SYD-AKL-SYD and SYD-NOU-SYD come to mind Do you have a reason for flying VIE-CDG,ORY-EWR,LGA-ORD instead of VIE-CDG-JFK-ORD? You are using 5 segments instead of three ('surface' travel between airports counts as a segment). The two extra segments could be used elsewhere - perhaps additional stopovers in Asia? The on-line tool has a known bug with itineraries that start with an RJ flight (there's more on this in the 'tool bugs' thread). FTers have identified two workarounds:
There is no requirement to have a US address for your credit card I doubt you will earn sufficient QF points to do what you want at the end. Your current itinerary is close to 25,000 miles, so you will earn about 31,000 points, which won't go far (25% bonus for business class; assumes you have no status with Qantas). Mileage Monkey is useful for planning - as pointed out by Mwenenzi FYI - here's a link to the fare rules |
Thanks for the help!
Really appreciate your replies mwenenzi and pandaperth.
Will check out Mileage Monkey thanks mwenenzi. Pandaperth - I'll check out the itinerary on an Egypt departure - can get a Cathay Pacific airfare to Cairo for much the same as an Amman oneway. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy re NY airports - I just didn't think of the difference given we were thinking of spending a week in NY with our daughter. Will redo with JFK arrival and departure. So even flying business class with mostly QF partner airlines, you don't think there will be enough FF points to get us back home? We are only Bronze members in the QF program - we have about 32000 points each currently. I'll see if I can work it out on Mileage Monkey! When I get to purchasing the tickets, is there a number for the AA world-wide desk? I have read that the AA desk is far more efficient than the other alternatives. I guess the AA desk will be able to provide me with contact details for an agent in Egypt, assuming it works out that way? Thanks again for all the help - I'm very new to the RTW experience!! |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 21117634)
Really appreciate your replies mwenenzi and pandaperth.
Will check out Mileage Monkey thanks mwenenzi. Pandaperth - I'll check out the itinerary on an Egypt departure - can get a Cathay Pacific airfare to Cairo for much the same as an Amman oneway. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy re NY airports - I just didn't think of the difference given we were thinking of spending a week in NY with our daughter. Will redo with JFK arrival and departure. So even flying business class with mostly QF partner airlines, you don't think there will be enough FF points to get us back home? We are only Bronze members in the QF program - we have about 32000 points each currently. I'll see if I can work it out on Mileage Monkey! When I get to purchasing the tickets, is there a number for the AA world-wide desk? I have read that the AA desk is far more efficient than the other alternatives. I guess the AA desk will be able to provide me with contact details for an agent in Egypt, assuming it works out that way? Thanks again for all the help - I'm very new to the RTW experience!! I will be using the AA program to accrue and redeem. If you signup for the AA Platinum Challenge a reasonable chunk of your trip will be at the 100% Platinum bonus. When it comes to redemptions, AA is also significantly cheaper than QF, both in terms of points required and tax/fuel surcharges. I'll be ending the trip in Asia, and I think we'll each have about 50k points (I can't remember exactly, it's around that). A one-way business class ticket on Qantas from HKG-MEL is only 35k points + $60 cash. Cheers |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 21117634)
Really appreciate your replies mwenenzi and pandaperth.
Pandaperth - I'll check out the itinerary on an Egypt departure - can get a Cathay Pacific airfare to Cairo for much the same as an Amman oneway. When I get to purchasing the tickets, is there a number for the AA world-wide desk? I have read that the AA desk is far more efficient than the other alternatives. I guess the AA desk will be able to provide me with contact details for an agent in Egypt, assuming it works out that way It's best to do your homework so that you can feed the agent the flights you want and the dates you want. They are good - setting up our ex-KRT DONE4s last year took about 20 minutes. Explain to the agent that you will ticketing in the country of origin (be it Jordan or Egypt). Otherwise the agent will assume you are ticketing in the US and it will be priced accordingly The agent probably will not be able to give you the contact details of the sales agent in the country of origin, but a search in this forum should give you that. When AA has priced it, you contact the agent and pay. Some ideas on maximising miles:
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
The agent probably will not be able to give you the contact details of the sales agent in the country of origin, but a search in this forum should give you that. When AA has priced it, you contact the agent and pay.
cheers, Henry |
Originally Posted by lcag08
(Post 21118256)
I will be using the AA program to accrue and redeem. If you signup for the AA Platinum Challenge a reasonable chunk of your trip will be at the 100% Platinum bonus. When it comes to redemptions, AA is also significantly cheaper than QF, both in terms of points required and tax/fuel surcharges.
Bottom line, you'd earn roughly 87,741 redeemable miles with AA and have Platinum status (Oneworld Sapphire) whereas you'd earn around 68,200 points with Qantas and have Platinum (Oneworld Emerald) status with QFF, i.e. 1500+ status credits and 4 Qantas-metal sectors. (Note I am not an expert on the QFF, so I could be quite wrong.) So I'd look at both airlines' redemption charts and decide if staying with QFF vs. "defecting" to AAdvantage makes any sense. AA is getting rid of its "soft landing" feature (you only fall one level regardless of how little flying you do) so if you didn't keep up flying 50,000 or more miles annually it would be a one-time thing; of course you won't keep Qantas status indefinitely either. One note on the previous posts - VIE-PAR is operated by Nikki, which is not included in my copy of the OWE rules as an eligible carrier. Maybe something's changed? |
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 21121458)
I just did a little back-of-the-envelope comparison of the benefits of this SAMPLE route: CAI-LHR-FCO-LHR-DFW-YVR-JFK-ORD-SLC-LAX-SYD-NOU-SYD-HKG-BKK-LHR-DXB using the AA v. the QF FF program, and assuming you challenge up to Platinum with AA before the start.
Bottom line, you'd earn roughly 87,741 redeemable miles with AA and have Platinum status (Oneworld Sapphire) whereas you'd earn around 68,200 points with Qantas and have Platinum (Oneworld Emerald) status with QFF, i.e. 1500+ status credits and 4 Qantas-metal sectors. (Note I am not an expert on the QFF, so I could be quite wrong.) So I'd look at both airlines' redemption charts and decide if staying with QFF vs. "defecting" to AAdvantage makes any sense. AA is getting rid of its "soft landing" feature (you only fall one level regardless of how little flying you do) so if you didn't keep up flying 50,000 or more miles annually it would be a one-time thing; of course you won't keep Qantas status indefinitely either. But her stated intention was to earn enough to redeem flights: from Europe to US and from US to Australia With QFF LHR-JFK in economy requires 25,000 points With AAJFK-SYD in economy requires 64,000 points So total is 89,000 points From her proposed itinerary she will earn about 31,000 points (no status, business class so 125% points) She will earn more if she gains status during the trip (which requires 4 eligible QF flights - her itinerary has two?) Europe-Nth America in economy requires 20,000miles (off peak) 30,000 (peak). If she flies in to New York then she can stopover there and fly on to elsewhere in Nth America later Nth America to South Pacific in economy requires 37,500miles. She can start from just about anywhere and stopover 'at the gateway' (LAX, DFW or JFK) on departure Total 57,500 or 67,500 miles She would not earn this many miles on her proposed itinerary, so more work is needed here - more flying to earn more miles/look at doing the challenge to get status and thus earn bonus miles One note on the previous posts - VIE-PAR is operated by Nikki, which is not included in my copy of the OWE rules as an eligible carrier. Maybe something's changed? |
Done4 itinerary
Thanks so much for all the help out there - I know you will roll your eyes at my next few questions but here goes:
Due to an unavoidable work commitment we have had to postpone our trip to the latter half of next year (and must fit in with paragliding weather in turkey for my better half which is apparently August/September) thus my first question is how far ahead can one book a DONE4? Obviously, using the Oneworld Planner is a guessing game as far as dates go if my trip finishes more than a year from now. Am I being completely ridiculous setting up the framework of this trip so far ahead? Next, due to starting so late in the year, I have had to reverse our itinerary. I have (thanks pandaperth for suggesting I better utilise the number of sectors) come up with the following itinerary: AMM-IST-KUL-SYD-HBA-SYD-LAX-SFO,SLC-DFW-MEM-ORD-JFK-LHR-FCO-AMM I tried originating in Cairo however, the planner quoted me an increased US$8,000?? We intend to do Turkey & Greece in August 2014, head home for Christmas, quick trip to Hobart in February (thanks pandaperth) and then recommence the American and Italian content in May 2015. I would have liked a stop in Paris however, I think I can only have 2 stopovers more than 24 hrs in the origin country - thus IST & FCO are the two best ones for us. Am I correct or is the bug that plagues itineraries starting with an FJ flight responsible? I ran this itinerary through Mileage Monkey and came up with 28,247 miles - would I be better switching to the AA program and forego QF? Icag08 advised me to look into the AA Platinum Challenge, however, even after reading up on this forum and elsewhere I'm still not sure if it will benefit me in this situation as I think we have to fly 25,000 miles before we qualify? So as we are only flying 28,000 in this trip, is it worth it? Of course, it could be me incorrectly deciphering code with which I am totally unfamiliar. Thanks again for those of you brave enough to wade through my ponderous list of problems, undoubtedly caused by my own ignorance! |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 21128465)
Thanks so much for all the help out there - I know you will roll your eyes at my next few questions but here goes:
Due to an unavoidable work commitment we have had to postpone our trip to the latter half of next year (and must fit in with paragliding weather in turkey for my better half which is apparently August/September) thus my first question is how far ahead can one book a DONE4? Obviously, using the Oneworld Planner is a guessing game as far as dates go if my trip finishes more than a year from now. Am I being completely ridiculous setting up the framework of this trip so far ahead?...! Flights can only be booked 355 days out (330 days for AA). And be completed 365 days after the first flight (or is it 365 days after reservation?). You can move dates out: many people do this. SYD-HBA-SYD is cheap fare so a little wasted, Head for PER, as my sugestion above or as PP's NOU suggestion to get more value. Effectively costs very little to nothing for an extra trip. Unless a transit, a business class departure from LHR costs a lot (APD tax). If you want to go to London / UK take the train fom Paris A minor tweek to get 35377 miles AMM-IST-KUL-SYD-HBA-SYD-JFK-SFO,SLC-DFW-MEM-ORD-LAX-LHR-FCO-AMM. JFK & LAX swapped. Easy to do more. MM shows some sectors with business class not available. But for KUL-SYD I think this incorrect. For USA dometic flights DONE* tickets book into first class IIRC if business is not sold (more SC & miles). Most fliights in the USA do not have business class |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 21128465)
Next, due to starting so late in the year, I have had to reverse our itinerary. I have (thanks pandaperth for suggesting I better utilise the number of sectors) come up with the following itinerary:
AMM-IST-KUL-SYD-HBA-SYD-LAX-SFO,SLC-DFW-MEM-ORD-JFK-LHR-FCO-AMM I tried originating in Cairo however, the planner quoted me an increased US$8,000?? We intend to do Turkey & Greece in August 2014, head home for Christmas, quick trip to Hobart in February (thanks pandaperth) and then recommence the American and Italian content in May 2015. I would have liked a stop in Paris however, I think I can only have 2 stopovers more than 24 hrs in the origin country - thus IST & FCO are the two best ones for us. Am I correct or is the bug that plagues itineraries starting with an FJ flight responsible? I ran this itinerary through Mileage Monkey and came up with 28,247 miles - would I be better switching to the AA program and forego QF? Icag08 advised me to look into the AA Platinum Challenge, however, even after reading up on this forum and elsewhere I'm still not sure if it will benefit me in this situation as I think we have to fly 25,000 miles before we qualify? So as we are only flying 28,000 in this trip, is it worth it? Of course, it could be me incorrectly deciphering code with which I am totally unfamiliar. If it were today I'd visit Turkey before Jordan, so that you could conserve a European stopover and not use a short (but expensive) segment of the RTW. Istanbul to Amman is an inexpensive and short flight. The bump in cost for the CAI origin reflects a bug in the online booking tool (one of many.) It seems that when you exercise the option of finishing in a different country than where you started (e.g. in the Middle East or Africa) the tool picks the finishing country's price rather than the starting country's price (which it should do.) The work-around for this is (a) use the RTW desk at AA, or (b) have the trip end where you started, then once booked just do a re-issue with the desired endpoint instead. |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 21128465)
Thanks so much for all the help out there - I know you will roll your eyes at my next few questions but here goes:
Due to an unavoidable work commitment we have had to postpone our trip to the latter half of next year (and must fit in with paragliding weather in turkey for my better half which is apparently August/September) thus my first question is how far ahead can one book a DONE4? Obviously, using the Oneworld Planner is a guessing game as far as dates go if my trip finishes more than a year from now. Am I being completely ridiculous setting up the framework of this trip so far ahead? The answer is – in theory you can book up to one year in advance. But since the demise of paper tickets, the actual period depends on the computerised booking system (the GDS) used by the ticketing airline – in practice this is about 330 days. Thus the LAST flight on the itinerary cannot be more than the GDS limit. You can book dummy dates and freely change them later. Just make sure that everything is a stopover not a transit (other than required transits in your continent of origin) – because to later change a transit to a stopover constitutes a routing change and so incurs the USD125 change fee. There are pros and cons to booking early Pros: You lock in the price (future price increase will not be imposed on you) Cons:You lock the fare rules (future adverse changes will not affect you) IF you want to change the first segment in any way AND the price has increased then you have to pay the new price (FYI there has been a recent round of price increases, so the likelihood of increases in the near future is low) Because you’re talking about a business class ticket, there should be no problem with availability and no advantage there in booking early (for economy tickets there are certain routes where you have to book as early as possible to get seats – for example SYD-SCL)IF before departure you want to re-route the itinerary AND the price has increased then you have to pay the new price (so simply defer routing changes until after the first flight) You lock in the fare rules (future advantageous changes will not be available to you – for example new airlines joining the alliance cannot be used) Next, due to starting so late in the year, I have had to reverse our itinerary. I have (thanks pandaperth for suggesting I better utilise the number of sectors) come up with the following itinerary: AMM-IST-KUL-SYD-HBA-SYD-LAX-SFO,SLC-DFW-MEM-ORD-JFK-LHR-FCO-AMM Still not using all 16 segments – you’re just not trying hard enough! Suggestions for increasing the mileage: Instead of IST-KUL-SYD fly IST-LHR-SYD – more miles, fly Qantas A380 from London to Sydney Instead of SYD-LAX… JFK-LHR fly SYD-JFK… LAX-LHR (and furthermore fly SYD-HKG-JFK – CX business class is very good) I would have liked a stop in Paris however, I think I can only have 2 stopovers more than 24 hrs in the origin country - thus IST & FCO are the two best ones for us. Am I correct or is the bug that plagues itineraries starting with an FJ flight responsible? Correct – maximum of four flight segments and two stopovers in the continent of origin For a stopover you can fly into one airport and depart from another – that’s just a single stopover. So fly into London and fly out of Rome. Also AA flies JFK-CDG – so you could fly into Paris and out of Rome Edited to add a small correction (for other readers) - maximum of six flgihts if the continent of origin is Nth America I ran this itinerary through Mileage Monkey and came up with 28,247 miles - would I be better switching to the AA program and forego QF? Icag08 advised me to look into the AA Platinum Challenge, however, even after reading up on this forum and elsewhere I'm still not sure if it will benefit me in this situation as I think we have to fly 25,000 miles before we qualify? So as we are only flying 28,000 in this trip, is it worth it? Of course, it could be me incorrectly deciphering code with which I am totally unfamiliar. The AA challenge is based on EQP (Elite Qualifying Points). To gain Platinum status you have to accrue 10,000 EQP in three months flying on eligible airlines (AA itself and a small number of other airlines including BA and QF but not MH). In business class you get 1.5 EQP for each flown mile; so you have to fly 6,667 miles to get 10,000EQP. Once you complete the challenge you will get 100% bonus miles (in addition to the 25% bonus you get for flying business class – so 225% all together). This includes the flight on which you cross the 10,000EQP line. On your itinerary you don’t fly an eligible airline until your SYD-HBA flight and you will complete the challenge on your SYD-LAX flight. On my suggested itinerary you will do better:D Accruing to AA, enrolling in the challenge and using: Your itinerary, you will accrue 50,866 miles Edited to add a small correction: on your intra-USA flights you will fly first class and so will get a 50% class of service bonus, which will increase slightly both the mileage figures above(125% on the flights prior to the SYD-LAX flight and 225% on the rest) AMM-IST-KUL-SYD-HBA-SYD-LAX-SFO,SLC-DFW-MEM-ORD-JFK-LHR-FCO-AMM My itinerary, you will accrue 82,413miles (125% on the AMM-IST-LHR flights and 225% on the rest) AMM-IST-lhr-SYD-HBA-SYD-hkg-jfk-ord-mem-dfw-slc,sfo-lax-LHR-FCO-AMM |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21131970)
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Still not using all 16 segments – you’re just not trying hard enough! <snip>- what cities you absolutely want to go to - what cities you would visit if possible - what cities / airports you would transit to get more miles - Also getting to an adjacent city and then going by train or separate air fare to your destination can be worth while (Europe is small) - Close land segments like SFO- SLC are best avoided to maximise mileage - Be very aware of taxes and fuel surcharges - Flying codeshares can be beneficial to mileage - status e.g AA flight number on BA CX aircraft AA freq flyer programe is calender year. Not based on the month you join like Qantas. AA challanges start January or June IIRC |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 21132081)
For theses trips you need to decide
- what cities you absolutely want to go to - what cities you would visit if possible - what cities / airports you would transit to get more miles - Also getting to an adjacent city and then going by train or separate air fare to your destination can be worth while (Europe is small) - Close land segments like SFO- SLC are best avoided to maximise mileage - Be very aware of taxes and fuel surcharges - Flying codeshares can be beneficial to mileage - status e.g AA flight number on BA CX aircraft The more stops you have, the more taxes you will have to pay If flying in business class then it generally doesn't matter whether you fly the AA codeshare or not; you still get the 25% class of service bonus. And with AA you get the status bonus with all OW airlines (unlike say the QF elite status bonus) One circumstance where it would matter is if you are doing a challenge - flying the AA codeshare on a CX flight will count towards the challenge whereas flying the CX flight number will not count (CX is not one of the airlines eligible for the challenge) AA freq flyer programe is calender year. Not based on the month you join like Qantas. AA challanges start January or June IIRC The elite status year runs from 1 March to 28/29 Feb Things are different with the challenge
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Some further thoughts (it’s a quiet Sunday afternoon here)
An additional ’Con’ to purchasing early is that by delaying the purchase you will have more time to ponder the best itinerary for you, become conversant in the ticket rules, ask more questions here… Whenever you decide to purchase, it might be the case that some flights you want to book are not available – because they are seasonal; for example AA flies JKF-FCO during the northern summer and this flight might not have been loaded into the GDS when you come to book (this might mean you leave a segment free and later pay the change fee to add in the missing segment) If looking to maximise miles, then DFW-ANC-DFW is a good earner, especially as you’d be in first class and if also PLT then you’d earn 250% miles (a total of 15,170); again this is a seasonal flight – only during the northern summer months Most of your DONE4 flights will be in 2015 only the AMM-IST-KUL/LHR-SYD flights would be in 2014 If you maximise the flights in 2015 then you could get close to re-qualifying for PLT status on EQP (close to the 50,000 needed). If you were able to achieve it then you’d be PLT through until 28 Feb 2017 (!) And if you’re anything like we were when one of our daughters was living in London, you could earn truckloads of miles from your frequent visits to NYC With your changed itinerary, have you given any more thought to how you’d position yourselves to start the DONE4 and how you’d get home at the end of it? Are you aware that AA sells Australia-Europe return tickets that go via the US (and allow stopovers there)? The fares are reasonable (a little more than the Eastbound fares via Asia/Middle East). They require travelling on the AA codeshare/QF metal flights trans-Pacific. And you could do the challenge this way – lots more miles. And the return segment, which you would use after completing the DONE4 would help re-qualify for PLT in 2015 |
Done4 itinerary help
I am boggled by how much you guys know!! I am SOOO out of my depth in getting the best value I can with my DONE4 - very grateful for the help as my husband and I intend to do a lot more travelling now that the kids have all moved out and started paying for their own flights!
Thanks MWENEZI - I think I will take your suggestion and consider booking in January next year when there will be a clearer picture of what airlines and routes are available. Also taken on board are yours and PANDAPERTH's suggestions for flying SYD-JFK-LAX or SFO then travelling back east visiting all the places we want to across the state. We need to stop in NY, we want to spend time in Jordan, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Paris, we are happy to spend a couple of weeks travelling across the US and will transit anywhere just about to maximise mileage as by then I will be busy planning the next trip (2015) which will involve Spain, Morocco & Portugal with the necessary stop in NY to visit the daughter again. Thanks GARDYLOO - I had already thought about doing our Turkey/Greece content first before staring the DONE4 - I will have to recheck a Cairo vs Amman origin in Dec/Jan when I book so thanks for the bug work-around. PANDAPERTH - you would be proud of me - the last itinerary I came up with I managed to use ALL 16 sectors - with a little help from your suggested itinerary! Thank you so much for your succinct explanation of the AA Challenge rules - nowhere else explained it so well. Just a couple more questions (for now that is) - when I book in January, intending to start the itinerary later in the year, for dates which then fall outside the required time - you mentioned dummy dates. Would I just book in earlier dates and change them when I commence the itinerary? And if I book in a dummy finish date, will I incur a fee pushing it out to near the end of the 12 month ticket? And regarding the taxes and fuel surcharges, is there a listing somewhere of these charges for each airport? Thanks again for all your help! |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21132422)
Some further thoughts (it’s a quiet Sunday afternoon here)
And hopefully having a daughter in NYC will have side benefits re mileage!! I will be researching the AA Australia-Europe return tickets which allow a NYC stopover - definite bonus! Can't thank you enough - I have no idea how you know the system so well - you must either work in the industry or have put in many many hours of research! |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 21135913)
...my husband and I intend to do a lot more travelling now that the kids have all moved out and started paying for their own flights!
LOL. Mrs pandaperth and I have been in that happy situation since 2008. And yes we have done a LOT of travelling:D Thanks GARDYLOO - I had already thought about doing our Turkey/Greece content first before staring the DONE4 Duh!:o The penny's dropped!. I hadn't got the point of gardyloo's suggestion. Now I have; and it's a very good suggestion PANDAPERTH - you would be proud of me - the last itinerary I came up with I managed to use ALL 16 sectors I am proud of you:D Just a couple more questions (for now that is) - when I book in January, intending to start the itinerary later in the year, for dates which then fall outside the required time - you mentioned dummy dates. Would I just book in earlier dates and change them when I commence the itinerary? And if I book in a dummy finish date, will I incur a fee pushing it out to near the end of the 12 month ticket? Yes - you've got it There is no fee for pushing out the finish date A small note, the airline doing the change for you can charge a "local service fee". Qantas charges $60 per ticket. AA does not charge a service fee. And regarding the taxes and fuel surcharges, is there a listing somewhere of these charges for each airport? Not that I know of. What I do is either use the online tool, which gives a breakdown of the taxes and surcharges or I make use of the itasoftware.com web site - Plug in the individual flight - say SYD-HBA on Qantas Fuel surcharges are trickier- It will give a fare and an itemised list of the taxes and surcharges (surcharges either have that word in their description or they have a YQ or YR code) - Ignore the fare and usually ignore the surcharges (see below) - Also ignore any sales tax (GST, VAT or the like) - The remaining items are the taxes for the segment Whether you pay them or not is driven largely by which airline you ticket with Qantas and BA are the worst - they collect lots of surcharges AA collects its own surcharges and BA's surcharges, and it charges a fixed EUR30 for any Iberia flights So using itasoftware, you can work out what the surcharges on your itinerary will be I have no idea how you know the system so well - you must either work in the industry or have put in many many hours of research! Back in 2008 I knew next to nothing. Then I discovered this web site; and I've learnt a heck of a lot in five years:D (No - I don't work in the industry) |
Lots of excellent advise here.
Just wanted to add that I am fond of using Great Circle Mapper to plan. It shows flight miles and segments, and the visual map is handy for visualizing if I'm properly going from continent to continent. I also use ExpertFlyer to plan specific flights, since I can see the airlines, the equipment, the flight duration, seat maps, etc.
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21131970)
FYI there has been a recent round of price increases, so the likelihood of increases in the near future is low
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21136163)
Fuel surcharges are trickier
Whether you pay them or not is driven largely by which airline you ticket with [/INDENT]Qantas and BA are the worst - they collect lots of surcharges AA collects its own surcharges and BA's surcharges, and it charges a fixed EUR30 for any Iberia flights So using itasoftware, you can work out what the surcharges on your itinerary will be Back in 2008 I knew next to nothing. Then I discovered this web site; and I've learnt a heck of a lot in five years:D
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 21151024)
FYI there has been a recent round of price increases, so the likelihood of increases in the near future is low In June this year there were a number of price increases for Europe/Africa (and also it seems some decreases - but I've not heard which fares actually decreased) See the 2nd post in this thread - oneword-global-explorer-economy-sale |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21153560)
Something more recent
In June this year there were a number of price increases for Europe/Africa (and also it seems some decreases - but I've not heard which fares actually decreased) See the 2nd post in this thread - oneword-global-explorer-economy-sale |
Is anyone else having difficulty getting Oneworld Planner to work - I am currently working on a DONE4 originating in Cairo and haven't been able to get the planner to list flights for me?
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Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22594886)
Is anyone else having difficulty getting Oneworld Planner to work - I am currently working on a DONE4 originating in Cairo and haven't been able to get the planner to list flights for me?
I've been having two sorts of problem with the online booking tool lately
I just knocked up a simple ex-CAI itinerary and it displayed CAI-AMM and CAI-LHR flights just fine. |
Hi pandaperth - thanks so much for replying. I'm having some real difficulties - I use a Mac OSX vets 10.7.5 - it's just not wanting to list flights at all. I can get my airport list down but then when I go to choose flights it just hangs. I've been working on the following itinerary: CAI-TYO-SYD-NOU-SYD-WLG-SYD-JFK-YVR-MEX-ORD-LHR-CDG-AMM and just can't get a pricing. I also have some more questions for more experienced one world RTW ticket users if I can just get this planner to work!!
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Well now I'm confused:confused:
Earlier I was able to choose flights and get a price for a couple of ex-CAI itineraries And now I cannot I have managed to price up a variation of your itinerary pye1201 - the variation is that it starts in AMM instead of CAI. Why this should work and ex-CAI does not is a mystery The pricing is in USD as follows: Base Fare: 7,225 Taxes: 932 Carrier Surcharges/Fees: 1,580 :eek: The true base fare is JOD5,100, which converts to USD7200 so that matches OK |
Some more queries from the newbie
Thanks so much Pandaperth – that sounds a similar fare to what I was getting when I was able to get the planner to work. If you remember from my postings last year, I have waited until closer to my proposed departure date for finalization and as foreshadowed, our circumstances have changed a little in that we will soon have a son living in London as well as the daughter in New York, thus necessitating a change in the itinerary.
Our plan is now to fly one-way to London in September to spend a week with the son & daughter, then spend some 6 weeks in the Greek Islands, Turkey and Jordan, before “commencing” our DONE4 in Cairo in November. We plan to fly from Cairo to Japan for a week then home to Sydney for a few months (incorporating side trips to Noumea and New Zealand in that time) before commencing the second half of the RTW in May 2015. Our plan is to rack up some miles in the US for a month, seeing a few places on our bucket list before heading back over to London, then down to Rome for a few weeks before finishing the trip back in Amman as per the previous itinerary. On mileage monkey that comes out at around 40,000 miles I think. My queries are: Is the itinerary as previously described the best way I can rack up miles in the US sectors (tried to get all 16 sectors in there….)? When I book the itinerary, I ring the AA desk and have the bookings done over the phone, then I have to find a travel agent in Cairo who will take payment via credit card over the phone? With this itinerary, together with the separate flight to London on either American Airlines or Oneworld Partner airline Qantas, would I have enough points to qualify for a flight back given the miles are earned in BC (F in North America). Or would it be better to just buy a return ticket and apply for an upgrade on the way home? Can I commence an AA challenge on the flight over to begin qualifying for platinum status? And if I can qualify for Platinum status with American Airlines on the above flights, does that mean that for the period that I am on Platinum, if I pay for a full-fare economy ticket to JFK or LHR, the chances are good that I will be able to get an upgrade to business when requested? (Thinking of all the extra travelling required with both kids OS). Are there any other tips I should be aware of re booking flights on an itinerary of this scale? Thanks in advance – apologies for any obviously silly questions from a learner. |
Originally Posted by pye1201
When I book the itinerary, I ring the AA desk and have the bookings done over the phone, then I have to find a travel agent in Cairo who will take payment via credit card over the phone?
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Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22595904)
When I book the itinerary, I ring the AA desk and have the bookings done over the phone, then I have to find a travel agent in Cairo who will take payment via credit card over the phone?
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22595904)
I've been working on the following itinerary: CAI-TYO-SYD-NOU-SYD-WLG-SYD-JFK-YVR-MEX-ORD-LHR-CDG-AMM and just can't get a pricing.
In addition, it balks when Royal Jordanian or Qatar are the first carriers, and when you end in a different Middle East country than the one where you originate. Although the rules explicitly state this can be done at no charge, for some reason (the answer, of course, is lousy programming) the tool imposes the price from the ending country rather than the originating one. Thus if you start in Cairo and end in Amman, you'll get the higher Jordanian price for the whole trip. Seriously annoying; the work-around is either to have a human do the booking, such as the RTW desk or Mindpearl (South Africa) Tal (Israel) or hopefully Emeco, OR to show the trip ending in Cairo and then just re-issue the ticket later, changing back to Amman - US$125. Try CAI-LHR-NRT-SYD-NOU-SYD-WLG-SYD-JFK-YVR-DFW-MEX-ORD-LHR-CDG-AMM-CAI in the tool and see what happens. Having BA as the first carrier (CAI-LHR) will trigger huge BA fuel surcharges for the whole ticket, so you might ask whatever human you use to ticket via DOH or AMM as the first segment (i.e. CAI-DOH-NRT...) to avoid this, something the online tool can't handle. |
Right, quite a few questions, so here goes.
I have re-ordered them, so that the answers flow a bit better (in my opinion) Can I commence an AA challenge on the flight over to begin qualifying for platinum status? Yes you certainly can. And provided you fly in a fare class that earns 1EQP per mile, then that one journey will complete the challenge. Points to note are:
With this itinerary, together with the separate flight to London on either American Airlines or Oneworld Partner airline Qantas, would I have enough points to qualify for a flight back given the miles are earned in BC (F in North America). Or would it be better to just buy a return ticket and apply for an upgrade on the way home? Yes. AMM-SYD is Middle East to South Pacific. Miles required are 30K/45K for Economy/Business (see the Award Chart) You will earn approx: 10K for SYD-LON + 90K for DONE4 = 100K (90K = 40K + 100% + 25%) Note: not all flights in Nth America are in F, only those in the US on flights that have no business class. So ALL your Nth Am flights will be in business. The difference is not great – a 50% bonus instead of a 25% bonus Note: the general rule on using miles for upgrades is that you can only do it on your frequent flyer program’s flights. In your case you can only use AA miles to upgrade AA flights (so you cannot upgrade yourself on a QF flight). One difference is that AA miles can be used to upgrade BA flights. And if I can qualify for Platinum status with American Airlines on the above flights, does that mean that for the period that I am on Platinum, if I pay for a full-fare economy ticket to JFK or LHR, the chances are good that I will be able to get an upgrade to business when requested? (Thinking of all the extra travelling required with both kids OS). No, as previously explained you cannot use AA miles to upgrade QF flights. Is the itinerary as previously described the best way I can rack up miles in the US sectors (tried to get all 16 sectors in there….)? Suggestions:
When I book the itinerary, I ring the AA desk and have the bookings done over the phone, then I have to find a travel agent in Cairo who will take payment via credit card over the phone? If the f*$&#$g online worked properly, then you could do the booking online! Happy planning:DAA has a general sales agent in Cairo; search this thread to get details. Yes, phone the AA RTW desk, tell the agent you’re going to pay in Egypt in Egyptian Pounds (otherwise it will be priced at the US price!) Gardyloo gave you the details while I was typing Edited to add: with US Airways and TAM (Brazil) coming into the alliance on 31 March, there will be a new version of the rules. Hopefully without changes other than acknowledging US And TAM's entry |
Thank you so much Gardyloo and Pandaperth - I would not be attempting this itinerary without your help!
First yes I think you are right Gardyloo - every time I start in either Cairo or Amman the planner just spits the dummy! I think I might have to get a human to do the booking…. I will definitely use Emeco Travel, Cairo. Thanks for the heads-up also about ticketing the first segment via DOH or AMM. Pandaperth - so first up - looking at the AA Other Airline Award Chart, I'm assuming we could book any Qantas flight not starting with N, G, S, O or Q to London before "commencing" our DONE4 and earn enough to qualify Platinum with AA? Looks like that might be a cheaper option than going with AA or BA or a full economy fare on a partner airline? As far as gaining Platinum status, we would then use 45k of the miles earned on a business fare back home and possibly use up the remainder on a fare to either London or New York (45/40k on the AA Award chart?). Would there be any other benefits to being platinum? I like your DFW-ANC-DFW suggestion - you mentioned that last year and of course, I couldn't find it on the planner (obviously because it was the wrong season). If I take your suggestion to maximise the miles and go with the itinerary: CAI-NRT-SYD-NOU-SYD-WLG-SYD-JFK-YVR-DFW-ANC-DFW-MEX-ORD-CDG-AMM, I can book the rest of the itinerary with the RTW desk and leave the DFW-ANC-DFW as 2 spare segments? Then when the flights become available after May, do I book them with the AA RTW desk or the airlines direct? And is this itinerary OK as far as no. of sectors goes? I can't run it on my Planner no matter which way I try! I can however get the itinerary minus the DFW-ANC-DFW segments to run if I start it in Tokyo but it comes to 15 segments - does that mean I can't fit the Anchorage segment? And again, for mileage earning ORD-AMM-LHR - isn't this adding yet another segment? Again many thanks for your very generous help - it means a great deal to me. |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22603329)
Pandaperth - so first up - looking at the AA Other Airline Award Chart, I'm assuming we could book any Qantas flight not starting with N, G, S, O or Q to London before "commencing" our DONE4 and earn enough to qualify Platinum with AA? Looks like that might be a cheaper option than going with AA or BA or a full economy fare on a partner airline?
No. Look again at the QF earning chart. For QF booking classes L, M and V you only earn 50% base miles and the EQP earn is a multiple of the base miles; so even though your earn 1EQP per base mile because you're only earning 50% base you would only earn around 5,000EQP on a SYD-LON flight in those booking classes. I ran a query in itasoftware - 1-way SYD-LON in mid-September on AA, BA or QF and then looked for the cheapest booking class for each that would give 1EQP per mile. Results are: BA booking class L AUD1262 (BA metal via SIN) AA booking class M AUD1786 (via Nth America; QF metal/AA codeshare trans-pacific) QF booking class K AUD2006 (via Dubai) As far as gaining Platinum status, we would then use 45k of the miles earned on a business fare back home and possibly use up the remainder on a fare to either London or New York (45/40k on the AA Award chart?). Would there be any other benefits to being platinum? Of course you could always start a new DONE4 and use it to come home:D (maybe via Africa?) South Pacific to Europe requires 45/60/80 K miles (Economy/Business/First) South Pacific to Nth America requires 37.5/62.5/72.5 For us the big benefit of Platinum is the 100% bonus miles, second is the lounge access and check in at the business counter when flying economy I like your DFW-ANC-DFW suggestion - you mentioned that last year and of course, I couldn't find it on the planner (obviously because it was the wrong season). If I take your suggestion to maximise the miles and go with the itinerary: CAI-NRT-SYD-NOU-SYD-WLG-SYD-JFK-YVR-DFW-ANC-DFW-MEX-ORD-CDG-AMM, I can book the rest of the itinerary with the RTW desk and leave the DFW-ANC-DFW as 2 spare segments? Then when the flights become available after May, do I book them with the AA RTW desk or the airlines direct? This (northern) summer's DFW-ANC flights are already available for booking (they start in late May). NEXT summer's flights will not be loaded into the system until well after you want to buy your tickets So yes - you could book a 14 segment itinerary now (which includes DFW - for example YVR-DFW-MEX) and add the flights to/from ANC later (paying the USD125 change fee) You make the change through AA. You could phone its RTW desk, but better is to phone the Platinum desk:D And is this itinerary OK as far as no. of sectors goes? I can't run it on my Planner no matter which way I try! I can however get the itinerary minus the DFW-ANC-DFW segments to run if I start it in Tokyo but it comes to 15 segments - does that mean I can't fit the Anchorage segment? And again, for mileage earning ORD-AMM-LHR - isn't this adding yet another segment? You have to keep within the 16 segment maximum. So to fit in DFW-ANC-DFW you would have to drop one segment somewhere else. I suggested dropping London and instead flying ORD-CDG You could change ORD-LHR to ORD-AMM-LHR (or even ORD-DOH-LHR) on your original itinerary because that was using only 15 segments. Again many thanks for your very generous help - it means a great deal to me. My pleasure:D |
SYD-NOU-SYD impossible on a DONE4?
I have just booked my DONE4 ex CAI (thanks to all those who helped this newbie get across the line on this one!). My original itinerary (CAI-XDOH-NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-NOU-SYD-JFK-PHX-ANC-PHX-MEX-ORD-OMAD-OLHR-DXB) was fine – I left the ANC-PHX sector out as these flights are seasonal and I will add those closer to the date when they become available to book. After making the booking however, some hours later I received a call from AA to advise that the SYD-NOU-SYD sector was unavailable as Air Caledonia is not a Oneworld Partner Airline. When I searched the flights, they were accepted by both the planner and Oneworld flight search as a Qantas flight with no indication that it was a code-share operated by Qantas? Has anyone had any experience with this?
This leaves me with two flights to spare in my itinerary – does anyone have any thoughts as to how I can best utilise those flights to boost my miles? I’m hoping to complete a Platinum Challenge on my SYD-LHR flights prior to beginning the DONE4 and was hoping to maximise miles earned on my trip. And I just hate the thought of wasting sectors….. |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22914970)
I have just booked my DONE4 ex CAI (thanks to all those who helped this newbie get across the line on this one!). My original itinerary (CAI-XDOH-NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-NOU-SYD-JFK-PHX-ANC-PHX-MEX-ORD-OMAD-OLHR-DXB) was fine – I left the ANC-PHX sector out as these flights are seasonal and I will add those closer to the date when they become available to book. After making the booking however, some hours later I received a call from AA to advise that the SYD-NOU-SYD sector was unavailable as Air Caledonia is not a Oneworld Partner Airline. When I searched the flights, they were accepted by both the planner and Oneworld flight search as a Qantas flight with no indication that it was a code-share operated by Qantas? Has anyone had any experience with this?
This leaves me with two flights to spare in my itinerary – does anyone have any thoughts as to how I can best utilise those flights to boost my miles? I’m hoping to complete a Platinum Challenge on my SYD-LHR flights prior to beginning the DONE4 and was hoping to maximise miles earned on my trip. And I just hate the thought of wasting sectors….. (i) Travel on any AA/AB/AY/BA/CX/HG/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/US/XL/4M codeshare service operated by AA/AB/AY/BA/CX/HG/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/US/XL/4M is permitted. Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by Jetstar (JQ). Additionally, travel permitted on the following airlines which are affiliated with/or wetlease providers to oneworld: ... QANTAS Alliance Airlines / QantasLink operated by Eastern Australia / Jetconnect / National Jet Systems / Sunstate Airlines |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22914970)
This leaves me with two flights to spare in my itinerary – does anyone have any thoughts as to how I can best utilise those flights to boost my miles? I’m hoping to complete a Platinum Challenge on my SYD-LHR flights prior to beginning the DONE4 and was hoping to maximise miles earned on my trip. And I just hate the thought of wasting sectors…..
In Australia a flight to the west builds mileage, subject to the rules. However I am not 100% with current Aust restrictions. QF have a summer PER-AKL-PER flight that may have escaped the OW rules http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=S...avy&MAP-STYLE= Have a play with MileageMonekey, but unsure if USAirways, TAM & SL are in the flight data base. Click "ignore errors" Edit MM change log Look like the new OW airlines are not yet included. Is a massive job to include |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22914970)
This leaves me with two flights to spare in my itinerary – does anyone have any thoughts as to how I can best utilise those flights to boost my miles? I’m hoping to complete a Platinum Challenge on my SYD-LHR flights prior to beginning the DONE4 and was hoping to maximise miles earned on my trip. And I just hate the thought of wasting sectors…..
Probably, DEL requires VISA, so other three itin are better, same aircraft turnaournd can be done. exHND flights cost extra surface segments NRT-HND, so aren't options. |
If the ticket was bought after UL joined, then NRT-CMB is almost 1000 miles farther than SIN, and a turnaround appears possible. Not daily, and if the ticket predated UL joining, no dice.
I'd go to SIN and just eat. |
Thanks for the help!
Some great suggestions here as usual – thanks all for your input! Have done some homework (which I should have done earlier) and found QF operates weekend flights to Noumea – apparently the codeshare flights are weekdays. I will have to ring the AA desk and change the dates to arrive and depart on the weekend. Would love to take up suggestions re NRT round trips but as we live in OZ, we are using this RWT to give us effectively two major 8 week holidays (first part and last part of the itinerary) and 2 side trips (SYD-NOU-SYD & SYD-AKL-SYD) in the 12 month period. So that leg of the trip puts us on the homeward bound section at which time my better half just can’t be away from work for too much longer.
Will just have to be content with a mileage of just under 45k miles – it’s enough (with the Platinum challenge) to get us a free flight home at the end of the DONE4! I’m happy! Again many thanks for all your help – I love this forum where beginners like me can learn so much! ^ |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22916716)
Have done some homework (which I should have done earlier) and found QF operates weekend flights to Noumea – apparently the codeshare flights are weekdays. I will have to ring the AA desk and change the dates to arrive and depart on the weekend.
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 22916716)
Will just have to be content with a mileage of just under 45k miles – it’s enough (with the Platinum challenge) to get us a free flight home at the end of the DONE4! I’m happy!
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