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SKRan Dec 27, 2012 5:55 am

SQ 777-200s are retrofitted with new regional J class.
however - it's still not as good as the J in 77W.

CA J is new and is similar to UA BusinessFirst.

I'd say CX J on 77W is the best out of all of these.

Too much travel Dec 27, 2012 8:42 am

Any itinerary that enables you to enjoy the Qantas First Class international lounge at SYD is by definition the only itinerary that you should pick!

In all seriousness though, avoid CA. Why go for a substandard product?

moondog Dec 27, 2012 9:24 am


Originally Posted by Too much travel (Post 19927359)
Any itinerary that enables you to enjoy the Qantas First Class international lounge at SYD is by definition the only itinerary that you should pick!

In all seriousness though, avoid CA. Why go for a substandard product?

CA's 77Ws are hardly substandard. My main beef with the CA plan is the PEK connection (as I posted upthread).

dvs7310 Dec 27, 2012 10:27 am


Originally Posted by Kachjc (Post 19926077)
your first itinerary is just weird - its all zig zag and mostly on not so good airlines-except SQ

go with cathay.


Originally Posted by phol (Post 19926527)
On the OW flights you're spending more time on a superior airline, and flying a more direct route.

SQ and CX are pretty equal but with the * routing you've a long CA flight before you reach SQ. The QF flight on the other hand is only a short hop (although their 737s are truly horrible aircraft).

I fail to see how more direct = the better option with the given itineraries? The OW itin the OP has saves only 40 minutes total travel time, but that doesn't take into account the extra Jetstar flight from WLG --> CHC. The OW itin is 31hrs35mins while the *A itin is 32hrs15mins... is CX C better than CA C (77W), sure a little... is it better than SQ 772... maybe a little... but then there's the 3 hour cross straight 738 flight to account for plus the hour of pure hell on JQ. Not to mention, any irregularities in SYD and the JQ flight is a separate ticket so would not be reaccommodated. If their OW itin was going direct into CHC then I'd say go for it and suck up the QF segment, but as it stands, I'd go the *A route.

OP mentioned concerns about missing the SQ flight in PEK due to the shortish connection, but if it were to happen, there are 2 other decent options to CHC the same day to be rebooked on:

Code:


CA 959 PEK 12/30/12 1:40 PM BKK 12/30/12 6:05 PM 777

EK 418 1 BKK 12/30/12 7:30 PM CHC 12/31/12 3:20 PM 77W

or

CA 173 0 PEK 12/30/12 5:25 PM SYD 12/31/12 7:40 AM 773

EK 418 0 SYD 12/31/12 10:15 AM CHC 12/31/12 3:20 PM 77W

Both have good availability in J at the moment.

Nugget_Oz Dec 27, 2012 12:44 pm

If you're going to CHC take *A itinerary. The QF business product would be generously classed as domestic business on a DL mad dog and then hopping on JQ is basically economy.

The CA and SQ hard product are good and the benefit is the you don't have the herringbone layout. Connecting in PEK and SIN is pretty much a wash as the connection in HKG and SYD, plus you then have to connect in WLG.

AlwaysFlyStar Dec 27, 2012 5:04 pm

I would definitely stick with the Star option. While CA in Y is no picnic, their J is superior to any US J product, and certainly the Qantas+JetStar. And PEK is a very quick connection, and don't know what people don't like. If you go through the transfer gate, you can get off of your plane and into the lounge within 20 minutes. And the lounge at SQ is quite nice, so you will be fine.

mach92 Dec 27, 2012 5:22 pm

Agree it's not that bad if it's now snowing in PEK!

HKG no snow!


Originally Posted by AlwaysFlyStar (Post 19929922)
I would definitely stick with the Star option. While CA in Y is no picnic, their J is superior to any US J product, and certainly the Qantas+JetStar. And PEK is a very quick connection, and don't know what people don't like. If you go through the transfer gate, you can get off of your plane and into the lounge within 20 minutes. And the lounge at SQ is quite nice, so you will be fine.


benzemalyonnais Dec 27, 2012 5:26 pm

The new CA C isn't substandard at all. They give you PJs and nice duvets in C. The food is good if you like Chinese food, arguably better than CXs Chinese food. Western stuff isn't great, but better than stuff on UA.

BigRedBears Dec 27, 2012 5:51 pm

I flew CX JFK-HKG biz a month ago and aside from few very minor peeves I thoroughly enjoyed it. The seat is flat and comfortable, while herringbone design assures that you don't need to see your neighbor unless you choose to.
Food (Asian) was excellent. Was favourite part was when I woke up in the middle of the flight and asked for a snack and they brought me a bowl of hot noodle soup (excellent!).

Issues were: my seat controls were finicky and didn't always work, they ran out of my first choice entrees (second choice was excellent), and they allowed all Marco Polo members to board at the same time as First Class and Business Class.

Phoenixtinct Dec 27, 2012 8:40 pm

Thanks
 
Thanks to all for their input. I've chosen to stick with *A - I did make (yet another) change to my itinerary and got rid of the CA segment through PEK and flying on TG instead through BKK. This is just the beginning of a trip that will continue around Asia, so I'll try to fit in some CX/QF flights in there to experience their products as well. Thanks again to all for the responses. This thread can be now closed.

moondog Dec 27, 2012 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by Phoenixtinct (Post 19930882)
Thanks to all for their input. I've chosen to stick with *A - I did make (yet another) change to my itinerary and got rid of the CA segment through PEK and flying on TG instead through BKK. This is just the beginning of a trip that will continue around Asia, so I'll try to fit in some CX/QF flights in there to experience their products as well. Thanks again to all for the responses. This thread can be now closed.

I'm pretty sure others will figure out useful ways to revive it because *A v. OW is a decision that many of us face. Take your case for example; were it not for the fact that you started this thread, I never would have even contemplated redeeming SQ long haul on 772s, but when you tell me that the alternative consists of flying a 738 for 3 hours and Jetstar during the last mile, my tune changes. For some reason, I really like TG biz, btw. While the seats don't hold a candle to CX, everything else is quite nice.

Guy Betsy Dec 28, 2012 9:58 pm

FYI - SQ 777-200ER aircraft are slowly being retrofitted with the 77W and A380 type Business Class seats. And some CX 77W aircraft still have the herringbone green Business Class seats. So just be aware with that.

correctioncx Dec 28, 2012 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by Guy Betsy (Post 19936680)
FYI - SQ 777-200ER aircraft are slowly being retrofitted with the 77W and A380 type Business Class seats. And some CX 77W aircraft still have the herringbone green Business Class seats. So just be aware with that.

Not true! All CX 77W has the new j class seats( the BA new F class seats). And these r deployed on most of the LHR flights.

wxxnxs Jan 7, 2013 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by Too much travel (Post 19927359)
Any itinerary that enables you to enjoy the Qantas First Class international lounge at SYD is by definition the only itinerary that you should pick!

In all seriousness though, avoid CA. Why go for a substandard product?

I must disagree with you about CA's substandard product, I just flew with it from SYD-PEK on its 77W and got upgraded to business class, I must say the product is much better than QF and all of US carriers, not only business but also economy as well, very good seat pitch. Comparing with CX ones, not much difference either.

Kachjc Jan 9, 2013 9:50 pm

It is not that Hard to beat QF in business class- they seem to be living in 2005-even then Air NZ had 1-2-1 seating


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