is this a valid routing ex JNB
 

hi
i'm new to routings ex SA and having read the OW Rules I thought that this routing was possible .... I've given the bare bones - the area of contention is at the end

JNB-HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-JFK-LAX-LHRxNBO-LHR-JNB

The online booking tool doesn't let me do the final flights via LHR - says only allowed one intercontinental arrival and departure
I thought that this routing was possible as long as one of the 2 LHR visits was transit only
Or have I not understood the rules correctly

Thanks!

You are not understanding all the rules correctly

You are wanting to visit Africa too many times
- start there (JNB)
- make a visit to NBO from Europe and return to Europe
- end there (back to JNB)
You cannot do that - the general rule is: The tool does have a bug regarding the allowed transit of Europe
I reported this in the tool bugs thread a short time ago
The rule the tool should allow is:Your segments LAX-LHR-NBO are OK - the rule does not come into play
The tool gives the error message when you are returning to Europe from NBO - which is the bug. But in any case your further segments NBO-LHR-JNB are not allowed because (i) you're leaving and arriving back into Africa a second time and (ii) the transit is not to another continent as required by the rules - it is back to Africa

hi
thanks for that
i can see it clearly now - the crucial bit - another continent !
cheers

It COULD mean a continent other than Europe.

You also can't visit Asia twice either!!! Suggest ... HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-JFK ...

Yes s/he can.
The allowed exception is:(and so in the proposed itinerary, one of the HKG visits needs to have a little 'x' before it;))

See also the recent discussion on the exception, in this thread

You've quoted the rule accurately, Pandaperth, but where's the service between SWP and Europe?

First pass through HKG is between Africa and SWP; second is between SWP and North America.

LOL, here we go again...:D

Here is a copy of part of the post I made in the thread I referred to in my post above
I reported that I had successfully ticketed with AA an itinerary where the transfer without stopover was between Nth America and SWP; and the OP of that other thread later reported that CX has ticketed her/his itinerary where the transfer is between Africa and SWP.

YMMV I guess!

Indeed!! Back when cheapest point of purchase was MRU, I bought several AONE4s which started at MRU and ended at JNB/CPT or vice versa. (Under the interpretation of the rules used by BA at MRU, you couldn't start and end at the same point. If you started at MRU, you could end at JNB or CPT. Start at JNB/CPT and you could end at MRU.) All included two transits of LHR, clearly not allowed by the rules.

The official rule, 4(e)2, says:

This is the only rule which permits two stops in Asia in transit to SWP, although, as Pandaperth says, and always holds true in things like this, YMMV.

Around 2007 I bought several rtw tickets from BA in Mauritius. I used to pick them up in person at the BA office (really a ticket agent) in Le Caudan shopping mall. All of them both started and ended in MRU, passing through JNB on the return.

Why not, JNB-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-LHR-NBO-LHR-JNB? or the more adventurous JNB-SYD-WLG-HKG-NRT-JFK-LHR-NBO-LHR-JNB?

JNB-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-LHR-NBO-LHR-JNB still has the problem of two African entries/exits when only one is allowed. Also it is no longer RTW (but is a *ONEWC4 instead).

JNB-SYD-WLG-HKG-NRT-JFK-LHR-NBO-LHR-JNB has the same problems wrt African entries/exits. No direct service WLG-HKG (though there is AKL-HKG). More adventurous?:confused:

Just a few more stops and an actual RTW.

Hi pianoperson,

Just a very minor quibble: "SA" can be ambiguous (the 'A' might be Africa, America, or even Asia). Since you posted your routing it's clear here of course.

Is the ruleor

See post #8 above
and also the thread I linked to in post #6

I was just trying to clarify which way it was supposed to me, but I guess the point is it's not clear.

Exactly

Meanwhile, back in 2009 it did seem clearer, for a while at least
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...sfer-rule.html