Just out of curiosity,how have you managed to fly 598.000 miles/311segments in 56 days out of Saana in Yemen. Thats 10.678 miles a day,or 445 mls AN HOUR,must be mighty hard,particularly out of a place like Saana!!

Long time casual flyer BA member (joined since the youth flyer some 30 years ago) only have about 80k miles ive built up over the years always flying economy and wt+ since it was released. Have a bunch of trips planned in the next 2-3 years and will be flying Biz everywhere, want to find the best program to reward my hard earned money.

Questions
For members asking for information, to help people to assist you, can you please provide:
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
(upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, extra baggage allowance, good award redemption rates, better award access, free - discounted lounge access, etc.)
Reply: earn enough points for roundtrip F somewhere undecided, lounge access.
(2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors?
(<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?)
Reply:less then 50k i think less then 25 flights.
(3) What types of fares do you usually buy?
(First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest)
Reply:will be flying biz everywhere.
(4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
Reply:pleasure, i can choose. have been doing a lot of searching an BA seems to never be the best option, cathay and qatar are looking superior in every aspect for the routes i am planning (price/seat quality)
(5) Which routes do you fly most often?
(US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc)
Reply: mex-cle. any u.s major hub/yyz-nbo-SE asia
(6) What is your home airport?
(SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.)
Reply: mex/cle/yyz
(7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?
(AA Executive Platinum, QF Gold, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc)
Reply: 80kish avios, no status.
(8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on?
Reply: was always using aa/ba when possible to continue building points and flying world traveler prices were competetive, but all of the flights i have been searching in business seems that BA is way off in price typical 2-4k more then cathay or qatar to go to same destinations.

just looking to see if anyone recommends leaving BA for qatar/cathay/aa. seeing as almost 0 of my planned trips will involve BA due to pricing, and the club world just doesnt seem as nice as the cathay and qatar new business product.

of the above choices cathay seems the least likely as the only trips i could possibly be using them is yyz-sgn and probably not many trips back n forth. im leaning more towards AA since i use that for going between mex-cle and mex-major us hubs. im also liking the possibilities of qatar since it serves the purpose of one of my main routes U.S hub-nbo.

Welcome to the forum
You seem to mixing airline pricing & routes with airline FFP's They do not need to be same. You can fly and airline yet collect miles in another. This is what FFP partner airlines & alliances are all about. If flying business class in any OneWorld airline (CX, QR, BA etc) you will get AA miles. AA mile earning with OW economy flights are subject to the booking class.

For someone living in the USA, flying med to long haul in business and with an objective of F awards it is hard to go past AA. Cash fuel surcharges on an BA award in F could be very high.
Do the AA plat challenge
http://flyerguide.com/index.php/Challenge_%28AA%29
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...-platinum.html

However status with AA will not get you AA domestic lounge access. If you have enough BA flights trying BA status to get lounge access is an option. But to get BA status you must fly 4 BA sectors.

Changes to the AA FFP due to the AA/US takeover/merger are a risk

the 4 BA sectors means they have to be BA aircraft specifically?

With the just announced upcoming changes to the QF program, I'm considering a need to move to a new program.
I'd prefer to avoid AA due to the domestic US lounge access limits.

Are the Asian carrier programs any good?

No. The no access to lounges is only for USA domestic flights. Unless you are in the USA a lot just buy a $99 30 day AA Admiral membership. Overall you are better off. Earn to burn and no surcharges on most awards more than make up for it. BA enforce the 4 segment rule to get/hold status. AA (currently) do not enforce this rule. However with the US Airways takeover/merger major changes in the next year or so to the AA FFP would no be unsurprising.

I have not credited a QF flight to the QF FFP for ~5 years, apart from some low cost tickets that, at the time, were non earning with AA.

I currently get access to the AA F lounges without extra cost and on any flight (and have routed trips through ports with those lounges). Why would I want to pay extra to get access to a lessor lounge?

I don't use points for award flights. I've only used qantas points for upgrades and points + pay tickets.

So why did mention "I'd prefer to avoid AA due to the domestic US lounge access limits"?
If you change FFP's eventually you loose QF status, unless you have lifetime Gold or Silver.

To many QF points & pay is a poor use of QF points. Better for many, including myself, to use points on business awards. You cannot use QF points to upgrade AA flights or use AA miles to upgrade QF flights.

Are there any charts comparing different programs anywhere?

@Himeno

As with almost any question one these boards - It depends.

1. Where do you fly? If the USA a lot, it affects the answer. If Asia, the effect is different.
2. You list QFF. Does that include lifetime silver/gold? Makes a difference in the USA even at OW Ruby.
3. What do you value? Redemption. Upgrades. Extra/free baggage. Lounge access. Life time status.

I've had to think about the questions for a while. Having lifetime Gold with AA makes my choices somewhat different, but here are the things I think about while I'm waiting for the answer to my choice. The answer I get could be no.

1. Loss of soft landing with AA.
2. Loss of PER-SIN with QF
3. Unlikely chance of extending life time status with either AA (just over LTG) or QF (28% LTS 2K SC)
4. Likely reduction in the 50K travel each year due to retirement. Still likely to visit family in USA.
5. Lack of a pro-active response by AA customer service to a web site error.
6. Reduced OW partner earning with QF (both J and Y)
7. Limited interest in Australian domestic travel.
8. QF not installing W cabin in A330s
9. QF did offer a free status boost last year.
10. I did use AA double EQM offers to earn EXP in the past.
11. I have had an inactive CX account for a long time, though status is earned only by flying. OTOH CX status (even Silver) is treated very nicely while flying CX.
12. I have friends in Sri Lanka, where I buy long haul tickets.
13. Fare class lowering on QF fares. What used to be V is now S. What was K is now V.

So a mixture of things. What is your list Himeno?

Happy wandering

Fred

Hey guys... I started going over some of the guides, but there's just so much to read! :confused:

I think I'm trying to decide between AA and BA; leaning a bit toward BA because I already have a plan with United for inter-USA flights, but I don't like the fact that you can't get upgraded from Econ to Business in BA's FFP... Would appreciate input.

(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
Reply: Upgrades by a large margin, then priority services while flying the airline.

Lounges aren't that important to me.

(2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors?
Reply:
25000-50000, but <25 flights as most of my flights are trans-atlantic.

(3) What types of fares do you usually buy?
Reply:
When I fly for work (which is most of the time), Business.
For personal flights, cheapest (though hopefully I could get upgraded...!)

(4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
Reply:
I can choose my airline for work and for pleasure, and I travel mostly for work.

(5) Which routes do you fly most often?
Reply:
TLV <-> SFO, and sometimes inside Europe.

(6) What is your home airport?
Reply:
TLV.

(7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?

Reply:
I have FFP in United, but not many miles in it; I plan to keep it regardless of the Oneworld FFP I choose (sometimes Star Alliance flights are cheaper/better than Oneworld; for my next trip, Oneworld is better).

(8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on?
Reply:
No strict preference; if any airline would create a direct TLV<->SFO flight, it would definitely be preferred but none have.

Moving away from TAM...
 

Hello.

TAM just moved out of *A to OW and now I'm trying to decide where to go on oneworld.
The main problem with TAM is that their accrual rules are ridiculous (e.g. ANY segment flown within 24 hours is counted as one route in total, even if from different tickets.)

The initial idea was to stay with TAM since they kept a lot of alliances with *A airlines even after moving to OW, which would help me accrue more miles in a single place. However with the ridiculous accruing rules I'm thinking about a move to AA or BA.

(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
Accruing more points.
(2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors?
Between 40 and 50k, always economy
(3) What types of fares do you usually buy?
Cheapest
(4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
Yes. Mostly for pleasure, but also work occasionally.
(5) Which routes do you fly most often?
Africa to Brazil and within the African continent
(6) What is your home airport?
JNB
Reply:
(7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?
OW Ruby with TAM (coming from *A Silver)
Reply:
(8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on?
Mostly South African Airways and TAM

@carlos

You have a problem common with many OW FF members. Until JJ (or LA) actually flies their own metal between Brazil and South Africa, I suspect the only OW program that will credit the JJ code shares on SA metal will be JJ. OTOH I did not check LA's rules.

Happy wandering

Fred

I'm currently QF Platinum through August 2015. I have averaged 2435 SC each year for the last 4 years (up from an average 350/yr from 2006-2009), but the upcoming earn changes at QFF are going to cut that by a lot. I'm about 2800 SC away from lifetime gold.
My travel is fully self funded.
I used to make CBR-MEL trips every few weeks, but the reason for that has now stopped.
My usual travel (since 2010) consists of a circle asia from AU to Japan or Korea and a round the world from there with a few extra short flights in the US and Europe. I sometimes have one off short trips to Japan or the US.
I normally only use QF points for upgrades and points + pay tickets.
I have rarely (if ever) gone over a 23kg baggage limit.
I would prefer not to have AAdvantage as AA members can't access lounges on flights within North America.

I'm looking to pick a secondary program for an upcoming flight with LA, in case it doesn't credit to AS like it should. I'm booked in Q class, MEX-LIM-SCL-IPC-SCL-MEX. From what I've researched:

On BA, I'd earn 25% miles MEX-LIM-SCL and SCL-MEX: 2,060. (0% on SCL-IPC RT)
On KK, I'd earn 50% miles on the entire itinerary: 6,455
On QF & AY, I'd earn 100% miles MEX-LIM-SCL and SCL-MEX: 8,238. (0% on SCL-IPC RT)
On AA/US, I'd earn 100% MEX-LIM and SCL-MEX, 25% on LIM-SCL-IPC-SCL: 8,263
On AB & CX & MH, I'd earn 100% miles for the entire itinerary: 12,910.

(Couldn't find information on JJ, now that they're OW)

I travel exclusively for leisure, and am trying to accrue to AS for status. Which of these are best for retroactive credit, and which are best for a redemption on a partner airline intra-US (or suggestions on redeeming an extremely low amount as indicated above)?

Why do you think the flights may not credit to AS?
Retro claiming to another ffp if a ff number is in the reservation may be problematic, even if it earns nil miles. But retro claims have conditions. Look at this post. For many you have to be a member before the flight.

Earn/burn and what you will uses those miles for is the real question. As a USA resident AA will be best, even if has a big overlap of partners with AS. Forget about QF. QF are soon to lower earning on partner airline flights. Have you looked at the LA ffp? BA avois are good to redeem on short flights

From post 1

How useful is LTS with QF? How much do you value QF LTG?
With a circle Asia and a xONEx (at least one in biz) I would think OW Sapphire would be possible with almost any OW program. Are you able to generate the 30K followed by 60K with Cathay while your QF status is active and providing lounge access? Though you might qualify for a status match with CX (MPC Silver) which would enable earning/keeping MPC Gold much easier. Keep you boarding passes as they will be required for the match documentation.

If you maintain OW Emerald, luggage should not be a problem with the new alliance wide allowances.

OTOH the $99 30-day AA lounge pass would be cost effective if you only have one trip to the USA each year. My issue with AA is the loss of a soft landing (from EXP).

Alas I don't think I have enough travel in 2013 to get a match with CX (though I may see if I can find the boarding passes) so I am considering plan B with the travel spreadsheets.

Happy wandering

Fred

Welcome to FT!

Upgrade-wise, you fare better with BA if that's primarily what you'd use your points for.
You cannot upgrade anything with AA miles except TATL sectors and domestic US flights, whereas you can upgrade all those intra-European flights with BA Avios - TLV-LHR is a five-hour flight!

No matter which OW airline you choose, you should make mid-tier sapphire status with two revenue business class TLV-SFO return flights alone. On both BA and AA, this tier comes with 100% bonus points and alliance-wide lounge access.
With AA, you'd qualify on EQP (you need to fly only 33.334 miles in business for 50k EQP), with BA two TLV-SFO trips will net you 560 tier points, just 40 shy of silver/sapphire status. A connection in LAX on one of the flights will net you the rest :)

You can upgrade from Y to J with BA, it just costs twice the points compared with upgrading from Y+. In fact, buying cheap 'T' class discount WT+ premium economy fares and then using Avios to upgrade to CW (business class) is considered a real bargain in the FFP world. In case the upgrade not clearing, you have a way better flight experience than if you were sitting in economy. This is especially true on the new WT+ cabin in the A380s and B787.
And upgrades on AA are not guaranteed to clear - quite the contrary. . Especially on AAs 777-300 routes, mileage upgrades into the much-sought-after business cabin are notoriously hard to come by with virtually no advance clearance. Expect this to be more of a lottery than anything. I've had EXPs sitting next to me in Economy as our systemwide upgrades didn't clear on LHR-DFW and LHR-LAX, and those would come far far ahead of a Platinum member requesting a miles+copay upgrade.
Wander over to the AA forum and read a bit about how advance upgrade availability has been restricted lately and how long the upgrade lists have become. It is not uncommon to see 50+ passenger names on the airport upgrade list for LAX-LHR.

AA charges a $350 co-pay on its TATL flights. More often than not, especially on leisure travel you can plan far out and take advantage of sales, BA's cheapest WT+ fares are about the same or just minimally more than an economy fare plus the mileage upgrade co-pay on AA.

I am also looking for a replacement for my QFF WP.. Probably looking at AA/CX/QR.

Are there any *O programs out there that allow pooling of tier miles/status credits?

QR and BA have programs that allow pooling of RDM only.

Not an issue for me however I have two children under 18 and we are off on a tier point run later this year. Although I can move them into a HH Account with BA I cannot get them into the Exec Club so my question is what would be the best OW option to subscribe them to for the TP run (As an example it would yield 720 TPs if with BA)?

Do you need status points for your children? For maximum flexibility (you may transfer avios to/from BA), enrol them in IB Plus - they allow children older than two. Check IB's "elite points earning table" for your itinerary - by and large BAEC and IB+ have comparable earn rates.

American Airlines AAdvantage Program has just been devalued
 

American Airlines AAdvantage Program has just been devalued

This may well effect people's decisions on which FFP to join

Changes are:

• Elimination of Explorer awards (the multi-stopover, mileage-based award)
• Removal of the allowed stopover "at the Nth American Gateway" on AA and All Partner awards
• Variable Anytime Awards depending on demand (now similar to the Qantas Any Seat award)

Marco Polo / Asia Miles vs. Avios
 

Hi together,

I live in Hong Kong and have recently been status matched to Marco Polo Gold from BA Avios, where I am currently Bronze but have accrued a number of miles over the last year (1,105 tier points but missing the 4th flight on BA to actually receive Silver status).

I am now seeking guidance on which programme to use for collecting miles going forward? i.e.
A) Remain with Avios
B) Switch to Asia Miles
C) Use both in parallel (I don't think this is a good option?)

In the short term I definitely want to make that 4th flight on BA so I am eligible for Silver and Gold later in the year.
From then on I am not sure whether to accrue in Asia Miles from scratch or continue with Avios (currently +100k points). I know that the number of Avios I receive when flying Cathay is lower compared to the same flight on BA. In this case I guess I am losing miles so it would be a reason to start collecting on Asia Miles. In the future I will continue to use both airlines but am not sure if it's worth switching to Asia Miles or just accept the lower accrual when collecting with Avios.
I am also not sure about Cathay's offers to redeem points and whether I would lose those miles again because Cathay's offers aren't simply that good...

Would appreciate your views and recommendations on what to do!

Fevon,

I am moving your question to the sticky thread regarding choosing a Oneworld FFP.

Gardyloo
Oneworld moderator

Seeking advices on choosing the FFP
 

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Any views on my situation?

How should I set up my memberships?
 

I have been primarily travelling US Airways domestic for the past several years, obtaining Gold status. I've moved into a new role with significant international travel, and would appreciate your advice on how best to set up my memberships & airline utilization. Thanks in advance!

What is most important to you in a FFP?
My primary objective is to earn miles from my business travel that I can use for personal travel with my family. Secondarily, I enjoy the perks that come with status such as free upgrades and lounge access. I never cash in miles for upgrades or lounge access, only for reward travel with family.

How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class?
In my new role, I’ll travel approximately 80k miles per year. YTD (As of April) I’ve travelled 40k qualifying miles in a mix of economy (for domestic) and business (for long haul). Most of the mileage will come sitting in a business class seat. Many ‘segments’ will come in domestic.

What types of fares do you usually buy ?
Business for long haul and Economy for domestic

Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
I can choose Business class for long haul (>=6 hrs, inter-regional), and can choose airline as long as price is ‘competitive’, which usually means within a certain price delta from the lowest fare meeting my specific timing & route criteria. It is not typical to have to choose a non-preferred airline but it can happen, and I happily comply with the company policy. Award travel is always economy (because its only been domestic so far).

Which routes do you fly most often
I will be based in Philadelphia with business interests all over the world but specifically Tokyo, Seoul, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Luxembourg, Geneva, Sao Paulo, Mexico City

What is your home airport?It will be PHL beginning mid-year forward. For the past 4 years, I was based near a small regional airport which benefited me with segments but was a hassle getting anywhere.

Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?
US Airways Silver. My travel decreased greatly the end of last year and I was bumped down from Gold to Silver last month.

Preferred Airlines
Domestically I’ve flown US Airways for years and years. I’m still learning my way around with the international travel. I have been highly impressed with all of the Asian carriers (Cathay Pacific, Korean Air, Asiana, ANA) and not so impressed with the US-based carriers (American to Sao Paulo in business class was TERRIBLE, but American to Seoul in business class was pretty good).

Well, for the moment I wouldn't do anything. AA says it will synchronize the US and AA programs fairly soon, so your status should translate to AA Plat or EXP if you maintain it.

Given your travel pattern, I'd check my actual mileage accruals (on your US account) to see how close you'd get to AA EXP. With AA you can attain EXP (Oneworld Emerald) either by accumulating 100K elite-qualifying miles, or 100K elite-qualifying points in a (calendar) year. Business and above (also premium economy on carriers that have it) earn 1.5 EQ point per flown mile, while economy fares earn either 1/2 or 1 EQP/mile. So if your projected 80K flown miles includes, say, 55K in business and the other 25K in coach, you could probably make EXP through that channel. 8 SWUs annually, the terrific EXP phone line, many perks... totally worth it.

Philly is obviously going to continue to be an AA hub going forward, so I'd stick with AA.

I fly to Hong Kong 4/5 times a month from Paris or various other european cities.... I usually take Cathay mnl-hkg and pvg-hkg. Would there be any chance they would status match my aegean status or it must be a competing airline which means it flys to hkg?

CX generally asks for a copy of your current programs earning records and some forward bookings on CX.

Which Oneworld ffp should I take?
 

Hi all!
In September I"m travelling from Budapest to Toronto, and returning from New York to London with British Airways. I have never flew with a Oneworld flight before, and I don't know when I will fly with them next time, but I do not want to lose these miles, so I thought I should enter a ffp.
I'm a Hungarian, my home airport is Budapest. We do not have reward credit card offers, so that does not help to choose. I'm not a business traveller, I travel only for leisure on Economy classes. I prefer to burn my miles for award tickets.

What do you think, which Oneworld program meets my situation the best?
Thanks in advance!

nagyt Welcome to the forum

AA tends to have lowest miles needed for long haul awards. BA is good for shorter awards, but can have surcharges
Alaska is a good ffp and has BA and many others as partners http://www.alaskaair.com/content/mil...ePlan-partners Are any of these airlines you may fly on?

Beware of the expiry rules for the miles. With no eligible activity BA it is 36 months, AS it is 24 months & AA it is 18 months. For an infrequent flyer I would tend to BA due to the expiry period. Others may have a different opinion

Also be aware of the booking class of your economy ticket. Some low fares earn few (or nil) miles

Thank you Mwenenzi.
Alaska airlines seems to be very interesting for me, since it is not a member of Oneworld, but still has BA as a partner. Furthermore they also have KLM/Air France from SkyTeam as partner, they fly in Budapest as well, so it seems a better option. However BA has 36 months expirity, I think I have to decide which is more important.

This is quite annoying.
A number of the FF program sites say how many of 'x' is needed to increase status, but don't define what 'x' is.

I am currently Emerald with QF. Have been looking to change due to the changes with the QFF program.
It appears, based on my travel patterns (averaged over the last 4 years), that I could only get to Sapphire (or less) with the other programs. :(

With what's known about the QF changes, I'll take around a 30% loss in SC, so I'll still make it to QF Platinum, but won't make it to the extra Platinum options like I have the last 4 years. But they still haven't announced all the changes...

AA or BA?
 

I've been on AA forever, bouncing around from GLD to PLT to EXP and back again (lifetime GLD right now). I have a legacy BA account (renewal date is mid-August). My traveling habits are about to change wherein I'll be going to London a couple of times a year and travelling NYC-ROA (on a mix of AA and US) every week. Wondering if I should stick with AA or move to BA where the qualification to Silver might be easier than Plat on AA. Opinions?

What is most important to you in a FFP?
My primary objective is to earn status.

How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class?
NYC-LHR in premium economy, domestic in economy. 30k miles internationally, 30-40k miles domestic

What types of fares do you usually buy ?
Premium econ/WTP for long haul and Economy for domestic

Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
I can chose whatever airline I want within reason for work. Fly for work and pleasure

Which routes do you fly most often
NYC-LHR
NYC-ROA
NYC-ORD

What is your home airport?
NYC (EWR/LGA/JFK)

Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?
AA lifetime Gold - about 250k miles in the bank right now.

Preferred Airlines
AA
BA
Cathay

AA BA or Other?
 

Hi, sorry I know there are a million threads on this, but it's rather confusing for each persons individual situation. (I've read a ton of these threads.)

I'm from the UK but now living in Canada (van), I still fly home 2-3 times per year (typically via DFW) as well as trips fairly often around north america. I'll be flying OW (AA, US, Alaska AA marketed, AA don't really fly from van/sea much) typically. I'm wondering what program you think would be best for me? I fly back to the UK with BA and I hear great things about their upgrades, however taxes are apparently high.

I'm currently a AA Plat (challenged) and typically fly premium economy back to the UK and economy around the US, however come January I'll be flying even more internationally including Australia and possibly Japan.

I should be AA Plat / BAEC Silver quite comfortably every year, possibly will be close to EXPlat as it requires 1 less round trip to the uk per year than BAEC Gold.

Which FF program do you think will be best for me? Lounge access isn't a huge deal on domestic fights, and out of van their arent that many AA flights so upgrades aren't hugely important (though I connect via DFW quite a bit)

Also, probably a stupid question, but if I fly premium econ and use miles to upgrade to business on BA do I still acquire miles (at the prem econ level or at all)? If so my trip is usually 12914 miles earned, AA offer PE to Business upgrade for 12,500 with BA.

Thank you!

Welcome to FT!

I'm moving your thread to an existing thread that covers choosing a Oneworld FF plan.

Gardyloo
Oneworld moderator

Josh229 Welcome to FT
As you are now AA Plat I would stay with AA. Especially if living in North America is long term. Do you have BA any avios or BA status?

With upgrades you usually get the miles for the fare class you paid for and not the upgraded class. Note AA does not have premium economy.

Thanks for the reply, no I don't have any avios or BA status, but was thinking of maybe switching to a different FFP start of next year.

The upgrade miles that sounds great, I'll pay for premium economy and use 12,500 miles to upgrade to business hopefully, as my standard run back home YVR -> DFW -> LHR gives me 6457 miles each way, with 100% bonus miles thats 12914, so essentially free upgrades on 15 hours of travel.

Whether or not that's the best thing to spend miles on, I have no idea.